Somali Scholar Professor Samatar CONDEMNS tribalist Farmajo for his tribally written Theseis

[Boqor Geeljire252]

Your ICU were bunch of terrorists who worked with al Qaeda and wants to turn Somalia new Afghanistan

Prof. Ibrahim Hassan Addou(AUN) has already demolished all those baseless claims and humiliated Abdullahi Yussuf's spokeman on live tv.


UIC were far from terrorists they were the legitimate government of Somalia and they had the support of all clans (not just my clan).


Here are planders expressing their support for UIC

Dhawaan ayay Wadaado ka soo jeeda deegaanada Puntland oo Muqdisho soo gaaray waxay kulamo la qaateen mas’uuliyiinta Maxkamadaha Islaamka, iyagoo sheegay in ujeedka ay Muqdisho u yimaadeen uu ahaa in ay soo eegaan is-bedelka ka dhacay magaalada Muqdisho, sidoo kalena ay ka shaqeeyaan sidii Maxkamadaha Islaamka loo gaarsiin lahaa Deegaanada Puntland.
http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2006/Nov/wararka_maanta1-215.htm




But keep defending traitors who brought ethiopians into our country

 

[Jubba_Man]

I'm not denying Somalis are stupid, because they are, but what are you going to do about it? You've been threatening the Bantus are coming for a while now and I still haven't seen your Bantu brethren do anything.

There are many Bantu countries in a far worse state than Somalia, maybe you should focus on that instead of day-dreaming about taking over Somalia and ethnically cleansing Somalis. Either Somalia gets nuked or it doesn't. We will not willingly give our land up to the bantus, call it the last remaining pride.

At least we agree on something.


Who said we're not already there? Are you so naive to think the AMISOM project is a humanitarian group that are ordered around by your paper president? You think Ahmed Madobe of Jubbaland is his own man?

This is the politics of 21st century. Taking entire nations without firing a single bullet. I won't say anything further because that would harm my overarching agenda on this forum.

 

[Canuck]

Prof. Ibrahim Hassan Addou(AUN) has already demolished all those baseless claims and humiliated Abdullahi Yussuf's spokeman on live tv.


UIC were far from terrorists they were the legitimate government of Somalia and they had the support of all clans (not just my clan).


Here are planders expressing their support for UIC

Dhawaan ayay Wadaado ka soo jeeda deegaanada Puntland oo Muqdisho soo gaaray waxay kulamo la qaateen mas’uuliyiinta Maxkamadaha Islaamka, iyagoo sheegay in ujeedka ay Muqdisho u yimaadeen uu ahaa in ay soo eegaan is-bedelka ka dhacay magaalada Muqdisho, sidoo kalena ay ka shaqeeyaan sidii Maxkamadaha Islaamka loo gaarsiin lahaa Deegaanada Puntland.
http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2006/Nov/wararka_maanta1-215.htm




But keep defending traitors who brought ethiopians into our country

If you can read English, this is the true documents of forcing Ethiopia to invade Somalia. Denial is not river in Egypt.
WikiLeaks Reveals U.S. Twisted Ethiopia’s Arm to Invade Somalia

In what appears to be another U.S. proxy war.

By Rob Prince, December 8, 2010.

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By mid 2007, the 50,000 Ethiopian troops that invaded Somalia in late 2006 found themselves increasingly bogged down, facing much fiercer resistance than they had bargained for as Somalis of all stripes temporarily put aside their differences to stand together against the outside invader.

As the military incursion turned increasingly sour, then US Under Secretary of State for Africa, Jendayi Frazer, who taught at the University of Denver’s Korbel School of International Studies in the 1990s, insisted that, prior to the invasion, the United States had counseled caution and that Washington had warned Ethiopia not to use military force against Somalia. Frazer was a close collaborator with former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, for whom there also is a strong University of Denver connection. Frazer certainly tried to distance the United States from responsibility for the Ethiopian invasion in a number of interviews she gave to the media at the time.

But one of the released WikiLeaks cables, suggests a different picture, one that implicates Frazer in pressing Ethiopia’s President Meles Zenawi to invade its neighbor. The content of the cable is being widely discussed in the African media. It exposes a secret deal cut between the United States and Ethiopia to invade Somalia.

If accurate — and there is no reason to believe the contrary — the cable suggests that Ethiopia had no intention of invading Somalia in 2006 but was encouraged/pressured to do so by the United States which pushed Ethiopia behind the scenes. Already bogged down in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan at the time, the Bush Administration pushed Ethiopia to invade Somalia with an eye on crushing the Union of Islamic Courts, which was gaining strength in Somalia at the time.

At the time of the invasion there was little doubt that the Ethiopian military incursion was “made in Washington.” Like so many other WikiLeaks cables, this one merely puts a dot on the “i” or crosses the “t” on what was generally known, although it does give specific information about Jendayi Frazer’s deep involvement in the affair.

According to the cable, as the main U.S. State Department representative in Africa, Frazer played a key role, spearheading what amounted to a U.S.-led proxy war in conjunction with the Pentagon. At the same time that she was pushing the Ethiopians to attack, Frazer was laying the groundwork both for the attack in the U.S. media and for a cover-up, by claiming that although the United States did not support Ethiopian military action, she could understand “the Somali threat” and why Ethiopia might find it necessary to go to war.

Frazer spread rumors of a possible jihadist takeover in Somalia that would threaten Ethiopian security. Turns out that media performance was little more than a smokescreen. The U.S. military had been preparing Ethiopia for the invasion, providing military aid and training Ethiopian troops. Then on December 4, 2006, CENTCOM Commander, General John Abizaid was in Addis Ababa on what was described as “a courtesy call.” Instead, the plans for the invasion were finalized.

At the time of the Somali invasion, Zenawi found himself in trouble. He was facing growing criticism for the wave of repression he had unleashed against domestic Ethiopian critics of his rule that had included mass arrests, the massacres of hundreds of protesters and the jailing of virtually all the country’s opposition leaders. By the spring of 2006 there was a bill before the U.S. Congress to cut off aid to Zenawi unless Ethiopia’s human rights record improved. (His human rights record, by the way, has not improved since. Given how the United States and NATO view Ethiopia’s strategic role in the “war on terrorism” and the scramble for African mineral and energy resources, Western support for Zenawi has only increased in recent years).

In 2006, dependent on U.S. support to maintain power in face of a shrinking political base at home — a situation many U.S. allies in the Third World find themselves — and against his better judgement, Zenawi apparently caved to Frazer’s pressure. Nor was this the first time that Frazer had tried to instigate a U.S. proxy war in Africa. Earlier as U.S. ambassador to South Africa, she had tried to put together a “coalition of the willing” to overthrow Mugabe’s regime in Zimbabwe, an initiative that did not sit so well with South Africa’s post-apartheid government and went nowhere.

The 2006 war in Somalia did not go well either for the United States or Ethiopia. Recently a State Department spokesperson, Donald Yamamoto, admitted that the whole idea was “a big mistake,” obliquely admitting U.S. responsibility for the invasion. It resulted in 20,000 deaths and according to some reports, left up to 2 million Somalis homeless. The 50,000 Ethiopian invasion force, which had expected a cake walk, instead ran into a buzz saw of Somali resistance, got bogged down and soon withdrew with its tail between its legs. The political result of the invasion was predictable: the generally more moderate Union of Islamic Courts was weakened, but it was soon replaced in Somalia by far more radical and militant Islamic groups with a more openly anti-American agenda.

As the situation deteriorated, in an attempt to cover both the U.S. and her own role, Frazer then turned on Zenawi, trying to distance herself from fiasco using an old and tried diplomatic trick: outright lying. Now that the invasion had turned sour, she changed her tune, arguing in the media, that both she and the State Department had tried to hold back the Ethiopians, discouraging them from invading rather than pushing them to attack. The WikiLeaks cable tells quite a different story. In 2009, the Ethiopian forces withdrew, leaving Somalia in a bigger mess and more unstable than when their troops went in three years prior. Seems to be a pattern here?

 

[Jubba_Man]

Bunch of terrorists sympathizers who are defending terrorists (ICU and alshabab)

Oh trust me, I include you and your kin as well in that umbrella term of "". This dadaab dweller thought I was actually attacking beesha Hawiye.

 

[Reign]

You are one of al shabab and al Qaeda sympathizers and those people that you are defending were terrorists. All the evidence infront of your eyes USA forced Ethiopia to invade Somalia and was planned since 2001 after al Qaeda was traced in Mogadishu. Deny as you want but the documents don't lie.
http://fpif.org/wikileaks_reveals_us_twisted_ethiopias_arm_to_invade_somalia/

Yeah after AY begged The US to intervene. If the US wanted to invade Somalia they would have invaded it a long time ago, there was nothing stopping them, but funny how they decided to get Ethiopia to invade it after a few meetings with AY. ICU were not terrorists, but Al Shabab are terrorists. After Ethiopia killed a lot of ICU members, Al shabab filled the power vacuum and many members who did not have good intentions to start with joined Al Shabab, but ICU as a whole were not terrorists.

You can't go around calling every political group who wants religion at the forefront of their politics terrorist, at the end of the day we are Muslims and the only law in Muslim lands should be Allahs law. If AY was so sincere he could have negotiated with ICU.

 

[Canuck]

Oh trust me, I include you and your kin as well in that umbrella term of "". This dadaab dweller thought I was actually attacking beesha Hawiye.

I was never in refugee camp dude plz we are civil people in north (SL and PL) do not compare us to the terrorists and their sympathizers in south.

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

Bunch of terrorists sympathizers who are defending terrorists (ICU and alshabab)

You are confused the other day you were calling geedi a traitor, now you are here defending the same corrupt traitor he was working for.



Seek help, all this cuqdad is not good for you.

 

[Canuck]

Yeah after AY begged The US to intervene. If the US wanted to invade Somalia they would have invaded it a long time ago, there was nothing stopping them, but funny how they decided to get Ethiopia to invade it after a few meetings with AY. ICU were not terrorists, but Al Shabab are terrorists. After Ethiopia killed a lot of ICU members, Al shabab filled the power vacuum and many members who did not have good intentions to start with joined Al Shabab, but ICU as a whole were not terrorists.

You can't go around calling every political group who wants religion at the forefront of their politics terrorist, at the end of the day we are Muslims and the only law in Muslim lands should be Allahs law. If AY was so sincere he could have negotiated with ICU.

The invasion was planed in 2001 after 911 since USA traced al Qaeda in Mogadishu after attacking American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Stop lying.

 

[Jubba_Man]

I was never in refugee camp dude plz we are civil people in north (SL and PL) do not compare us to the terrorists and their sympathizers in south.

Such bustling civilization you have in your home city:

When your people gain the ability to build modern cities like:

Then we will have the discussion of you joining the civilized world.

 

[Canuck]

You are confused the other day you were calling geedi a traitor, now you are here defending the same corrupt traitor he was working for.


Seek help, all this cuqdad is not good for you.

You brought al Qaeda to Mogadishu since 90s and when USA forced Ethiopia to invade Somalia because of your terrorism, you are crying and acting victims here.

 

[Reign]

At least we agree on something.


Who said we're not already there? Are you so naive to think the AMISOM project is a humanitarian group that are ordered around by your paper president? You think Ahmed Madobe of Jubbaland is his own man?

This is the politics of 21st century. Taking entire nations without firing a single bullet. I won't say anything further because that would harm my overarching agenda on this forum.

Tell me more, I'm interested.





Ps Amisom is there because of the UN and rightly so since the arms embargo on Somalia hasn't been lifted. What would the UN gain from Bantus taking over Somalia? parading around in a few cities of south Somalia is hardly anything to brag about.

Somalis haven't lived around for thousands of years just to be ethnically cleansed by bantus, calm your breasts. If the Bantus want to take over Somalia they are going to have a fight on their hands.

 

[Canuck]

Such bustling civilization you have in your home city:

When your people gain the ability to build modern cities like:

Then we will have the discussion of you joining the civilized world.

C'mon we built Mogadishu in 70 & 80 also we have little resources in north and south is holding us back.

 

[Jubba_Man]

C'mon we built Mogadishu in 70 & 80 also we have little resources in north and south is holding us back.

Mog was built by reer xamar years before s even came there. You all only used existing infrastructure or destroyed it. You people don't build anything. That much is a given.

Excuses. Rwanda is land-locked with less resources than the rich lands along with countless ports your people occupy, and we see what you all are capable of after 25 years.

 

[Canuck]

Mog was built by reer xamar years before s even came there. You all only used existing infrastructure or destroyed it. You people don't build anything. That much is a given.

Excuses. Rwanda is land-locked with less resources than the rich lands along with countless ports your people occupy, and we see what you all are capable of after 25 years.

How can we build in north since south is attacking and sending alshabab or ISIS or GL state to you all time? And this international community that locked us with south.

 

[Reign]

North Somalia (SL and PL) are safe and functioning well and fighting terrorists,but you in south ( Mogadishu ) who needs to get nuke for holding us back all these 25 years with your terrorism and stupidity.

When all else fails for Dhulos claim Somaliland who you don't want to be part of and Puntland who you don't want to be part of either. You people are the true definition of sii soco so soco. The Puntlanders don't want you and the Somalilanders massacre you for fun. Don't burn your last bridge. HSM is your only friend right now.

 

[Canuck]

@Boqor Geeljire252 @Reign
The ugly reality of south or Mogadishu since 90s and al Qaeda was operating in Mogadishu and here they are denying and acting victims. USA forced Ethiopia to invade Somalia because ICU wants to turn Somalia to Afghanistan.


Somalia and al-Qaeda: Implications for the War on Terrorism
By James Phillips





ABOUT THE AUTHOR

James PhillipsSenior Research Fellow for Middle Eastern Affairs
Douglas and Sarah Allison Center for Foreign and National Security Policy



The United States has made considerable progress in its war against international terrorism, but it still faces contingencies that could complicate its goal of eradicating the scourge of global terrorism. The United States has uprooted Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda ("the Base") terrorist group--and the radical Islamic Taliban regime that protected it--from Afghanistan. Although al-Qaeda and Taliban remnants seek to regroup and challenge the authority of the U.S.-backed Afghan government of Hamid Karzai, bin Laden has lost his foremost safe haven and state sponsor.

1 Largely expelled from Afghanistan, al-Qaeda may seek to regroup in another country where it could count on some degree of local support.

2 U.S. intelligence officials believe that bin Laden owns a number of ships, one of which is suspected of transporting some of the explosives used in the August 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.3Shortly after September 11, U.S. intelligence officials received reports that bin Laden himself planned to move from Afghanistan to Somalia or had already done so.4

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6 The United Nations Security Council launched an emergency food relief operation in August 1992 but was unable to assure the distribution of food supplies because of the deteriorating security situation, particularly in the south. Somali warlords ruthlessly plundered relief supplies to feed and subsidize their own militias.

7 Following the Soviet withdrawal in 1989, many of these estimated 25,000 "Arab Afghans" returned home, where they fostered radical Islamic movements in many Muslim countries, including Somalia. According to U.S. intelligence reports, bin Laden sent Islamic extremists to Somalia in 1991-1992 to help the Somali Islamic radical group al-Ittihad al-Islamiya (Islamic Unity, or AIAI) to organize an armed militia, establish schools and clinics, and prepare to seize power.

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9 He dispatched several lieutenants, including Mohammed Atef, who is believed to have helped plan the September 11 attacks, to help train Somalis in military and terrorist tactics.

10 Several hundred foreign veterans of the Afghan jihad, expelled from Pakistan in 1993, also joined the Somali jihad after passing through Sudan.11 Tariq Nasr Fadhli, a radical Islamic leader from Yemen who fought under bin Laden against the Soviets in Afghanistan, helped bring Yemeni mercenaries to fight in Somalia.12

13 In a 1997 interview with CNN, he gloated that al-Qaeda had trained and organized the Somali fighters who did the actual fighting.14 Al-Qaeda members are suspected of teaching General Aideed's militia how to shoot down U.S. helicopters by altering the fuses of rocket-propelled grenades so that they exploded in mid-air.15 This tactic, developed by the Afghan mujahideen (holy warriors) in their war against the Soviets, was the same one al-Qaeda forces used to bring down two U.S. helicopters near Gardez, Afghanistan, during Operation Anaconda in early March 2002.

16 This also reinforced his contempt for American staying power and fueled his ambitions to use terrorism to drive American influence out of the Muslim world: If the deaths of 18 soldiers could cause the withdrawal of 25,000 U.S. troops from Somalia, bin Laden had reason to believe that killing more Americans could lead to a similar pullout from Saudi Arabia.

17 Some of the members of the same Kenya-based al-Qaeda cell that helped train Somalis to kill U.S. soldiers in 1993 went on to carry out the bombing of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi.18

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20 but its strength has declined significantly as a result of three Ethiopian military interventions in the last six years, provoked by AIAI terrorist attacks.

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23 travelling across Afghanistan to get there would be risky, even if bin Laden trusted Iran's divided government to protect him. Al-Qaeda also has ties to Iraq,24 but that country is more distant and more difficult to enter without being detected by the United States. Sudan, which still harbors some al-Qaeda members, is a possible sanctuary; but Khartoum already has shown bin Laden the door in 1996--and has placed his former mentor, radical Sudanese Islamic ideologue Hassan Turabi, under house arrest.

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27 Since the onset of its chronic civil war and the withdrawal of the U.N. presence, few Westerners and fewer Americans have had the opportunity to follow the tortuous twists and turns of Somalia's factional bloodletting. Little is known about the strength of the AIAI, which has dispersed and melted into its constituent clans since its military defeat by Ethiopia in 1997. Even less is known about the strength and disposition of al-Qaeda forces or the precise nature of their links to AIAI or other Somali groups.

28 Army special forces units assigned to the Central Command have practiced training missions against mock-ups of terrorist compounds, but according to a senior official, "There is not enough intelligence on Somalia right now on which to base an attack."29

30 U.S. soldiers should be employed to capture or kill terrorists, not to function as social workers.

• 31and the Puntland port of Bosaso reportedly was used to send Somali volunteers to Afghanistan to help bolster al-Qaeda,32 increasing numbers of Puntlanders are said to resent Ethiopia's domination of their political system.
  
  33 Washington should keep all the factions at arms length and avoid being drawn into their political blood sport.
  

• Use covert CIA operations, special operations commandos, and precision air strikes as necessary to target al-Qaeda cells. For the U.S. military, Somalia is a more convenient battlefield than Afghanistan in geostrategic terms. It has a long seacoast that makes it more accessible to carrier-based warplanes, marine landings, and special forces operations. U.S. air power is more effective in finding and hitting targets in Somalia's relatively flat desert terrain, compared to the rugged mountains of Afghanistan. And the military probably has better advanced knowledge of the terrain, based on its deployment in 1992-1994, than it did going into Afghanistan last fall.
  
  Politically, however, Somalia is much more difficult than Afghanistan. Many Afghans hated the Taliban and were willing to join the fight against it once it became clear that the U.S. air campaign was lethally effective. Somalis will feel threatened, not liberated, by the presence of foreign troops. The Northern Alliance in Afghanistan was a battle-hardened force that had fiercely fought the Taliban for seven years without cracking. But the SRRC and other Somali coalitions can dissolve overnight and re-form in different configurations. Fortunately, this also will be a problem for bin Laden if he chooses to flee to Somalia.
  
  A war against al-Qaeda in Somalia is likely to look much different from the war in Afghanistan. In Somalia, Al-Qaeda would need to function in a dispersed and hidden manner to avoid deadly air strikes with precision-guided munitions. It would seek to blend in with native Somalis and use civilians as shields. Conventional military operations, and even large special forces operations as in Mogadishu in 1993, could result in heavy civilian casualties.
  
  Rather than take a sledgehammer approach, which would radicalize Somalis and win bin Laden greater support, the United States should attack isolated targets with small units operating stealthily at night. Lightning "snatch and grab" commando operations should be launched from bases outside of Somalia to limit the presence of foreign troops on the ground. Wherever possible, the United States should use Somali surrogates trained by the CIA and minimize the involvement of Americans on the ground. Moving large numbers of U.S. troops into Somalia would be a lightning rod that would provoke attacks and give al-Qaeda more targets without appreciably increasing the effectiveness of the anti-terrorism campaign.
  
  Detecting and neutralizing dispersed al-Qaeda cells is more an intelligence problem than a military problem. The CIA should take the lead, supported by Somali paramilitary forces and U.S. special forces. The air war would be much more specialized, involving precision-guided munitions almost exclusively to limit civilian casualties and avoid provoking a backlash from the clans of unintended victims. Most U.S. military forces would be better deployed to deal with more pressing threats from Iraq or elsewhere.
  

[paste:font size="5"]Conclusion
After being evicted from Afghanistan, al-Qaeda may regroup in Somalia where it has longstanding links to the radical group al-Ittihad al-Islamiya. Washington's first priority should be to deny Osama bin Laden a base in Somalia by intercepting al-Qaeda forces before they reach that failed state. Meanwhile, the United States should increase its intelligence-gathering activities in Somalia to assess the strength of the threat al-Qaeda poses there.

Absent a growing al-Qaeda threat or the move of its leaders to Somalia, the United States should avoid making a sustained military commitment there, which would divert scarce military forces from more urgent missions in Iraq or Afghanistan. The scale of any U.S. military and political commitment should be calibrated to match the threat posed by the al-Qaeda presence in Somalia. If this presence is found to pose little threat to American interests, U.S. military forces should not be deployed there. Instead, the United States should cultivate local Somali allies to root out al-Qaeda.

The United States also should try to contain and defeat AIAI by giving diplomatic, economic, and intelligence support to Somali factions opposed to it, as well as to Ethiopia and Kenya, which are threatened by it. But Washington cannot afford to bog down its overburdened military forces in naïve nation-building efforts that are inherently risky, expensive, and doubtful. It should have learned from the collapse of the Clinton Administration's Somalia intervention in 1993 that no good deed goes unpunished. Nation-building exercises draw peacekeeping forces into the lethal politics of failed states and create new incentives for terrorism and new targets for terrorists to attack.

 

[Adheer Warsame]

This thread

What a shit show

 

[Canuck]

When all else fails for Dhulos claim Somaliland who you don't want to be part of and Puntland who you don't want to be part of either. You people are the true definition of sii soco so soco. The Puntlanders don't want you and the Somalilanders massacre you for fun. Don't burn your last bridge. HSM is your only friend right now.

Stop supporting the terrorists and terrorism and act civil people after all we are in 2017.

 

[Jubba_Man]

How can we build in north since south is attacking and sending alshabab or ISIS or GL state to you all time? And this international community that locked us with south.

She has to resort to conspiracy theories. Even then, none of that still applies to your tuulos and federal state. Why does your underwear state look to be the most underdeveloped state in the whole of the Somali peninsula? There's no ISIS, AlShabaab, or AMISOM boogeyman you can blame for why your home town looks like a undeveloped wasteland.

 

[Canuck]

She has to resort to conspiracy theories. Even then, none of that still applies to your tuulos and federal state. Why does your underwear state look to be the most underdeveloped state in the whole of the Somali peninsula? There's no ISIS, AlShabaab, or AMISOM boogeyman you can blame for why your home town looks like a undeveloped wasteland.

We are working at improving our cities.