Somali women, SJW, BLM feminist says we were enslaved by Arabs

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You do realize this book, Unraveling Somalia: Race, Class, and the Legacy of Slavery by Catherine Besteman is talking about the 1900s and the video posted is talking about around the 600s-1200s right?
The part about Oromo captures is relevant to all Somali history. What do you think we did with them after fighting them so much and taking alot of their land? We've got the most land per ethnic group in Africa for a reason.

Anyways what is your stance on all I've posted? Sources are hotlinked.
 
@Caraweelo X show me one credible primary or secondary source that proves that Arabs enslaved Somalis.

I'll be waiting.:mjohreally:
Closest thing is "Berber slaves sold from Zayla" but they were, as Ive shown, most likely Nilotics, Oromos or Ethiopians as Berber encompassed the whole horn of Africa before it became a diluted word used and misused by many. Shit google berber today and you get some Morrocan ethnic group

All other evidence is mental gymnastics and "herefore therefore we must have been enslaved".
 
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First, someone on here said that I said Somalis were Habesha. I said that Somalis were generalized and included in the term Habesha and Zanj by outsiders. Even in hadiths no one ever said “Somali”

This is the list of books where I got a lot of my information

Historical Dictionary of Somalia, New Edition - Mohamed Haji Mukhtar

The Seeker for Somali History Shareef ‘Aydarus

The Invention of Somalia - Ali Jimale Ahmed

The Politics of Dress in Somali Culture - Heather Marie Akou

The History of Somalia - Raphael Chiioka Njoku

The archaeology of Islam in Sub-Saharan Africa - Timothy Insoll

The Red Sea from Byzantium to Caliphate A.D. 500-1000

Slaves & Slavery in Muslim Africa vol. 2 The Servile State - ed. John Ralph Willis

Slaves of One Master Globalization and Slavery in Arabia in the Age of Empire - Matthew S. Hopper

The Horn of Africa: From War to Peace Paul B. Henze

Race and Color in Islam - Benard Lewis

The Horn of Africa Intra-State and Inter-State Conflicts and Security

Slavery and manumission: British Policy in the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf by Jerzy Zdanowski

Kitab al-Zunuj lists a string of East African cities whose governors answered to caliph Harun al-Rashid in Baghdad

Arab Sources who traveled to & wrote about Somalia

Ibn Battuta

Ibn Sa-id al-Maghribi

Al-Muqaddasi

Al-Idris

Hassan ibn Ali al-Shirazi

Non-Arab Sources who traveled to & wrote about Somalia

Vasco da Gama

Richard Francis Burton "First Footsteps in East Africa"

Also do you all even realize that the Arab Slave Trade of East Africa has been happening since the 7th century? Bantus were not used until the 1900s, no one is talking about the time period from the 600s until the 1300s. Why isn't anyone talking about those times? What proof do you have? Please someone post a book or a link. Literally everyone is just saying "that's not true" even though the links and books are in the video. I've also included the books that talk about intermarriages which is why Somalis have variety of looks.

Also @Canuck, baby girl, you really tried but provide something else because what you posted is from the book "The Persian Gulf" by Arnold Wilson and it talks about how the British was trying to stop the Slave Trade in East Africa by making a treaty. I included the full page not just a footnote because that foot note actually implies that Somalis were sold but due to the agreement they stopped being sold, well that was just the agreement...

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DuctTape

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First, someone on here said that I said Somalis were Habesha. I said that Somalis were generalized and included in the term Habesha and Zanj by outsiders. Even in hadiths no one ever said “Somali”

This is the list of books where I got a lot of my information

Historical Dictionary of Somalia, New Edition - Mohamed Haji Mukhtar

The Seeker for Somali History Shareef ‘Aydarus

The Invention of Somalia - Ali Jimale Ahmed

The Politics of Dress in Somali Culture - Heather Marie Akou

The History of Somalia - Raphael Chiioka Njoku

The archaeology of Islam in Sub-Saharan Africa - Timothy Insoll

The Red Sea from Byzantium to Caliphate A.D. 500-1000

Slaves & Slavery in Muslim Africa vol. 2 The Servile State - ed. John Ralph Willis

Slaves of One Master Globalization and Slavery in Arabia in the Age of Empire - Matthew S. Hopper

The Horn of Africa: From War to Peace Paul B. Henze

Race and Color in Islam - Benard Lewis

The Horn of Africa Intra-State and Inter-State Conflicts and Security

Slavery and manumission: British Policy in the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf by Jerzy Zdanowski

Kitab al-Zunuj lists a string of East African cities whose governors answered to caliph Harun al-Rashid in Baghdad

Arab Sources who traveled to & wrote about Somalia

Ibn Battuta

Ibn Sa-id al-Maghribi

Al-Muqaddasi

Al-Idris

Hassan ibn Ali al-Shirazi

Non-Arab Sources who traveled to & wrote about Somalia

Vasco da Gama

Richard Francis Burton "First Footsteps in East Africa"

Also do you all even realize that the Arab Slave Trade of East Africa has been happening since the 7th century? Bantus were not used until the 1900s, no one is talking about the time period from the 600s until the 1300s. Why isn't anyone talking about those times? What proof do you have? Please someone post a book or a link. Literally everyone is just saying "that's not true" even though the links and books are in the video. I've also included the books that talk about intermarriages which is why Somalis have variety of looks.

Also @Canuck, baby girl, you really tried but provide something else because what you posted is from the book "The Persian Gulf" by Arnold Wilson and it talks about how the British was trying to stop the Slave Trade in East Africa by making a treaty. I included the full page not just a footnote because that foot note actually implies that Somalis were sold but due to the agreement they stopped being sold, well that was just the agreement...

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None of these sources outright state that Somali slaves were taken - all that is mentioned is "intermarriage" with Arabs which, shockingly, was a thing back then, and still is. It's how the cadcads in xamar are around today. However intermarriage with Arabs isn't what has given us our appearance, any non-african DNA we have is thousands and thousands of years old, well before 'arabs' existed and due to a back-migration into Africa. The closest thing that's said to slavery in Somalia is that it was "a source of slaves", and this is true- but said slaves were not Somali. Tanzanian Bantu slaves were taken and shipped off to the Arab world - it's why the Somali Bantus living in Somalia today are descended from said groups in Tanzania. Let me know if I missed anything, but there seems to be a whole lot of mental gymnastics in your response - and the sources that clearly and explicitly state that somali weren't taken as slaves are ones you seem to be ignoring.
 

AceofSom

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First, someone on here said that I said Somalis were Habesha. I said that Somalis were generalized and included in the term Habesha and Zanj by outsiders. Even in hadiths no one ever said “Somali”

This is the list of books where I got a lot of my information

Historical Dictionary of Somalia, New Edition - Mohamed Haji Mukhtar

The Seeker for Somali History Shareef ‘Aydarus

The Invention of Somalia - Ali Jimale Ahmed

The Politics of Dress in Somali Culture - Heather Marie Akou

The History of Somalia - Raphael Chiioka Njoku

The archaeology of Islam in Sub-Saharan Africa - Timothy Insoll

The Red Sea from Byzantium to Caliphate A.D. 500-1000

Slaves & Slavery in Muslim Africa vol. 2 The Servile State - ed. John Ralph Willis

Slaves of One Master Globalization and Slavery in Arabia in the Age of Empire - Matthew S. Hopper

The Horn of Africa: From War to Peace Paul B. Henze

Race and Color in Islam - Benard Lewis

The Horn of Africa Intra-State and Inter-State Conflicts and Security

Slavery and manumission: British Policy in the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf by Jerzy Zdanowski

Kitab al-Zunuj lists a string of East African cities whose governors answered to caliph Harun al-Rashid in Baghdad

Arab Sources who traveled to & wrote about Somalia

Ibn Battuta

Ibn Sa-id al-Maghribi

Al-Muqaddasi

Al-Idris

Hassan ibn Ali al-Shirazi

Non-Arab Sources who traveled to & wrote about Somalia

Vasco da Gama

Richard Francis Burton "First Footsteps in East Africa"

Also do you all even realize that the Arab Slave Trade of East Africa has been happening since the 7th century? Bantus were not used until the 1900s, no one is talking about the time period from the 600s until the 1300s. Why isn't anyone talking about those times? What proof do you have? Please someone post a book or a link. Literally everyone is just saying "that's not true" even though the links and books are in the video. I've also included the books that talk about intermarriages which is why Somalis have variety of looks.

Also @Canuck, baby girl, you really tried but provide something else because what you posted is from the book "The Persian Gulf" by Arnold Wilson and it talks about how the British was trying to stop the Slave Trade in East Africa by making a treaty. I included the full page not just a footnote because that foot note actually implies that Somalis were sold but due to the agreement they stopped being sold, well that was just the agreement...

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This is the problem you have cluessless people try to discuss Somali history.
 
First, someone on here said that I said Somalis were Habesha. I said that Somalis were generalized and included in the term Habesha and Zanj by outsiders. Even in hadiths no one ever said “Somali”

This is the list of books where I got a lot of my information

Historical Dictionary of Somalia, New Edition - Mohamed Haji Mukhtar

The Seeker for Somali History Shareef ‘Aydarus

The Invention of Somalia - Ali Jimale Ahmed

The Politics of Dress in Somali Culture - Heather Marie Akou

The History of Somalia - Raphael Chiioka Njoku

The archaeology of Islam in Sub-Saharan Africa - Timothy Insoll

The Red Sea from Byzantium to Caliphate A.D. 500-1000

Slaves & Slavery in Muslim Africa vol. 2 The Servile State - ed. John Ralph Willis

Slaves of One Master Globalization and Slavery in Arabia in the Age of Empire - Matthew S. Hopper

The Horn of Africa: From War to Peace Paul B. Henze

Race and Color in Islam - Benard Lewis

The Horn of Africa Intra-State and Inter-State Conflicts and Security

Slavery and manumission: British Policy in the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf by Jerzy Zdanowski

Kitab al-Zunuj lists a string of East African cities whose governors answered to caliph Harun al-Rashid in Baghdad

Arab Sources who traveled to & wrote about Somalia

Ibn Battuta

Ibn Sa-id al-Maghribi

Al-Muqaddasi

Al-Idris

Hassan ibn Ali al-Shirazi

Non-Arab Sources who traveled to & wrote about Somalia

Vasco da Gama

Richard Francis Burton "First Footsteps in East Africa"

Also do you all even realize that the Arab Slave Trade of East Africa has been happening since the 7th century? Bantus were not used until the 1900s, no one is talking about the time period from the 600s until the 1300s. Why isn't anyone talking about those times? What proof do you have? Please someone post a book or a link. Literally everyone is just saying "that's not true" even though the links and books are in the video. I've also included the books that talk about intermarriages which is why Somalis have variety of looks.

Also @Canuck, baby girl, you really tried but provide something else because what you posted is from the book "The Persian Gulf" by Arnold Wilson and it talks about how the British was trying to stop the Slave Trade in East Africa by making a treaty. I included the full page not just a footnote because that foot note actually implies that Somalis were sold but due to the agreement they stopped being sold, well that was just the agreement...

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None of the sources you've listed say Somalis were slaves. I've read through the relevant parts of all believe me.

The Arab slave trade has been happening for long, but in the first few centuries it was limited to Nilotics, Ethiopians, Oromos and Nubians from the Horn/Northeast Africa.
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(Remember regions of modern Somalia were mostly not inhabited by Somalis then. Expansion came with Islam and more people were captured and sold (Nilotics) and some captured and assimilated (Oromos))

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Also do you all even realize that the Arab Slave Trade of East Africa has been happening since the 7th century? Bantus were not used until the 1900s, no one is talking about the time period from the 600s until the 1300s. Why isn't anyone talking about those times? What proof do you have? Please someone post a book or a link. Literally everyone is just saying "that's not true" even though the links and books are in the video. I've also included the books that talk about intermarriages which is why Somalis have variety of looks.

Bantus were sold to Somalis/Somalia from the 1800s to 1930s, but before that they were often transported from Zanzibar to Somali coasts to dock before going to the Arabian Peninsula.
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Serge Bilé cites a 12th-century text which tells us that most well-to-do families in Canton had black slaves whom they regarded as savages and demons because of their physical appearance. Although Chinese slave traders bought slaves (Seng Chi i.e. the Zanj[9]) from Arab intermediaries and "stocked up" directly in coastal areas of present-day Somalia, the local Somalis (—referred to as Baribah and Barbaroi (Berbers) by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers, respectively, were no strangers to capturing, owning and trading slaves themselves[50] but were not among them:[118]
Slavery didn't start with the Omanis or Italians in the 1800s-1900s. And the last source as you see explicitly states Somalis were NOT among the slaves they sold or traded. From the 12th century.

From the time Arabs had settlements in Zanzibari they exported numerous slaves.
One important commodity being transported by the Arab dhows to Somalia was slaves from other parts of East Africa. During the nineteenth century, the East African slave trade grew enormously due to demands by Arabs, Portuguese, and French. Slave traders and raiders moved throughout eastern and central Africa to meet the rising demand for enslaved men, women, and children. Somalia did not supply slaves -- as part of the Islamic world Somalis were at least nominally protected by the religious tenet that free Muslims cannot be enslaved -- but Arab dhows loaded with human cargo continually visited Somali ports.[119]

And now to how the slave trade looked in the Middle ages
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But of course the slave trade ramped up, or got more documented during the 1800s.
From 1800 to 1890, between 25,000–50,000 Bantu slaves are thought to have been sold from the slave market of Zanzibar to the Somali coast.[47] Most of the slaves were from the Majindo, Makua, Nyasa, Yao, Zalama, Zaramo and Zigua ethnic groups of Tanzania, Mozambique and Malawi. Collectively, these Bantu groups are known as Mushunguli, which is a term taken from Mzigula, the Zigua tribe's word for "people" (the word holds multiple implied meanings including "worker", "foreigner", and "slave").[6]


I've also included the books that talk about intermarriages which is why Somalis have variety of looks.
What? Most intermarriages and assimilation into Somali society happened with Reer Xamars and Oromo captures.
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Many Oromos got absorbed into Somali clan society. Other than that there are no other groups Somalis have actively mingled with. Oromos are our closest relatives anyways, and Reer xamars lived with us for over a thousand years at the most so naturally they would be assimilated too.

Bantus have been discriminated against though and intermarriages were very rare or never happening.
In terms of legal considerations, Bantu slaves were devalued. Somali social mores strongly discouraged, censured and looked down upon any kind of sexual contact with Bantu slaves. Freedom for these plantation slaves was also often acquired through escape.[13]
During abolition, former Oromo slaves, who generally maintained intimate relations with the Somali pastoralists, were also spared the harsh treatment reserved for the Bantu and Nilotic plantation slaves.[13][19]

Such is life:francis: Still you wont find difference between people in Mogadishu, Hargeisa, Bossaso, Kismayo, Jigjiga, NFD or any Somali territory.

Somalis are homogenous. We don't have a huge variety of looks. Biggest variance is skin colour, but our DNA and makeup is all the same.



You're a smart woman, you don't need to lie to yourself or grasp at air. As I've said, none of the books you listed mention Somali slaves
Also @Canuck, baby girl, you really tried but provide something else because what you posted is from the book "The Persian Gulf" by Arnold Wilson and it talks about how the British was trying to stop the Slave Trade in East Africa by making a treaty. I included the full page not just a footnote because that foot note actually implies that Somalis were sold but due to the agreement they stopped being sold, well that was just the agreement...
The footnote explicitly states Somalis were not or could not be sold as slaves. Even without Islam you couldnt sell us. The gaalo Brit and Italian didn't nor could they.
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EDIT ; And to your "Somalis were included in Habesh so they must have been included in Zanj to"
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What lies south of the Horn ?:patrice:

Zanj (Arabic: زنج‎‎; from Persian: زنگ‎‎ zang, meaning "Land of the Blacks" [1]) was a name used by medieval Muslim geographers to refer to both a certain portion of Southeast Africa (primarily the Swahili Coast), and to the area's Bantu inhabitants.[2] This word is also the origin of the place name Zanzibar.
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What lies in Zanzibar?:patrice:
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fucking arabs man:jcoleno: evil bunch
 
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DuctTape

I have an IQ of 300
Somalis are homogenous. We don't have a huge variety of looks. Biggest variance is skin colour, but our DNA and makeup is all the same.
People tend to think that light-skinned Somalis who also happen to have straight/loose curly hair are Arab-descended, there are no two ways about it, but it's a case of genetics. Some of us carry the allele for dark skin and some of us carry the allele for lighter skin. The same goes for hair.
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The blue here represents the gene for light skin in people; look at the values for Somalis compared to the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa. Just like dark-skinned Somalis naturally exist, light-skinned ones exist too. The most common complexion is a brown/dark brown colour because that's simply the dominant gene. It always irritates me when people assume Arab ancestry in Somalis, as if it's impossible for us as an ethnic group to have lighter skin.
 
@Caraweelo X go to the history section. You'll see a thread I made with ample evidence from literature that Somalis were enslaved by ancient Egyptians. Not only were they slaves but they were "exceptional" slaves
 

DuctTape

I have an IQ of 300
@Caraweelo X go to the history section. You'll see a thread I made with ample evidence from literature that Somalis were enslaved by ancient Egyptians.
*The Ancient Egyptians had a few slaves (ancestors of modern Somalis) shipped to them from Punt.
You're basically saying there was mass enslavement on a large scale - which there likely wasn't considering the fact that, if there was, there would be a larger number of sources stating so.
 
*The Ancient Egyptians had a few slaves (ancestors of modern Somalis) shipped to them from Punt.
You're basically saying there was mass enslavement on a large scale - which there likely wasn't considering the fact that, if there was, there would be a larger number of sources stating so.

I didn't say a large number like the millions from slave trade. That doesn't make any sense. Somalis were very small back then.

But a sizeable number.
 
People tend to think that light-skinned Somalis who also happen to have straight/loose curly hair are Arab-descended, there are no two ways about it, but it's a case of genetics. Some of us carry the allele for dark skin and some of us carry the allele for lighter skin. The same goes for hair.
550px-Ala111Thr_allele_frequency_distribution0.png

The blue here represents the gene for light skin in people; look at the values for Somalis compared to the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa. Just like dark-skinned Somalis naturally exist, light-skinned ones exist too. The most common complexion is a brown/dark brown colour because that's simply the dominant gene. It always irritates me when people assume Arab ancestry in Somalis, as if it's impossible for us as an ethnic group to have lighter skin.
People tend to think that light-skinned Somalis who also happen to have straight/loose curly hair are Arab-descended, there are no two ways about it, but it's a case of genetics. Some of us carry the allele for dark skin and some of us carry the allele for lighter skin. The same goes for hair.
550px-Ala111Thr_allele_frequency_distribution0.png

The blue here represents the gene for light skin in people; look at the values for Somalis compared to the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa. Just like dark-skinned Somalis naturally exist, light-skinned ones exist too. The most common complexion is a brown/dark brown colour because that's simply the dominant gene. It always irritates me when people assume Arab ancestry in Somalis, as if it's impossible for us as an ethnic group to have lighter skin.
Among the Somalis, however, an entirely different situation is found, for the majority are lumped around the von Luschan #29. Numbers 27 and 30 account for most of the others; hence there is a single and characteristic Somali color, which is a rich, glossy, chocolate-brown, often red tinted, which accounts for seven-eights of the entire Somali group. A very few are darker, and individuals are as light as light brown, in a very few cases as light as Arabs. The contrast between highland Ethiopians and Somalis in skin color is so great that one must postulate that the original non-negroid narrow-bodied and narrow-faced strain which the living Somalis represent was not white skinned in any sense of the word, for the Somalis are the least negroid people in East Africa
From da raysist white man:mjswag:
 

DuctTape

I have an IQ of 300
If anyone is interested in learning about Somalis and their history of enslavement, see below. It also shatters the myth that Somalis were the ancient Egyptians. We were close to them because of enslavement. The dhaanto, FGM, and other things we took from them.

http://www.somalispot.com/threads/s...were-enslaved-by-the-ancient-egyptians.18134/
FGM and male circumcision was a custom that originated with Afro-asiatic peoples. We didn't take anything from them, we shared both of these customs with Ancient Egyptians and Arabs because we are in the same ethno-linguistic group. There's no proof of dhaanto being taken fromt he Ancient Egyptians, it's definitely one of our indigenous customs.
Also I like how you said "history of enslavement" :pachah1:
You're a funny guy wallahi :mjlol:
 
@DuctTape Somalis have copied dances from the Ancient Egyptians as well as clothing/styles.

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No such thing as "sharing" something. Someone did the copying and it's obvious it was the Somalis
 

DuctTape

I have an IQ of 300
@DuctTape Somalis have copied dances from the Ancient Egyptians as well as clothing/styles.

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No such thing as "sharing" something. Someone did the copying and it's obvious it was the Somalis
Not sure where this copying comes from considering these could just be a part of some of the common cultural legacies we share with Egyptians as Cushitic people. I already told you that we share FGM and circumcision with the Egyptian from both being Afro-asiatic. Who's to say that the same didn't happen here, and that we both share these cultural elements due to, thousands of years ago, originally coming from the same place? I'm not pulling the "WE WUZ EGYPTIANS" argument here, this is established fact;groups and sub-groups of the same ethno-linguistic designation share common cultural elements with each other. Not only linguistically, but culturally. It's just called the "Afro-asiatic" linguistic group because languages are much more stable than ethnic groups and are easier to track than human migrations and intermixing.
 
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