Somalia has an estimated 110 billion barrels of oil

[AlteKartel]

Full autonomy to me means not being controlled by Mogadishu on a day to day basis. That means being totally independent economically and politically. I understand the concerns about military and foreign security.

The only thing missing is bi-lateral deals with IMF and international business deals. I’d prefer a Hong Kong to China system.

Foreign affairs I think we should have regional autonomy but nothing past that. A lot of SL income is based on Addis-Berbera line so I don’t think that should be disturbed regardless of whoever’s in charge.

Militarily, I hope you can understand due to previous issues there shouldn’t be an SNA base in SL. When I say SL I’m talking awdal to Ceerigaabo. Majority home SNA-trained troops, 75%+.

I’d only be willing to make those two concessions above if Somalia improves, but that’s also when SL will most likely come to the table as well. SL will exist as long as Somalia remains the way that it is unless a massive war erupts in Waqooyi.

I don’t see an issue with economic or political independence. To be frank I don’t think anyone here cares about what goes on internally in SL. My
major gripe with federalism now is how FMS run to other countries the second that something happens between them and the FGS. If that wasn’t the case then 99% of my issues with federalism would be gone. I don’t see FGS agreeing to giving SL maximal autonomy over even regional affairs especially since it’s with Ethiopia. Some degree of autonomy sure but not full control.

How can there be no SNA base in SL but you also have majority home-trained troops? Or are you saying that you’d accept an SNA base on the sole condition that the soldiers are majority home-trained?

 

[berberaboy66]

How can there be no SNA base in SL but you also have majority home-trained troops? Or are you saying that you’d accept an SNA base on the sole condition that the soldiers are majority home-trained?

Dyslexia got to me mayn, I meant to say a local SNA base is fine, but it has to be majority home-trained. Nothing outside of that. So the 2nd point essentially

 

[Zak12]

will be full autonomy or nothing

So be like Puntland then. You will get autonomy without seperating from the Somali state. It saves everyone the headache from creating a new country.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

@AlteKartel Somalis think that to be a strong state, you need to be centralized. Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, US, Germany etc… are all decentralized to one degree or another and function just fine.

We could have a strong federal state if we focus the federal government on a few exclusive powers. Take a look at how strong the Swiss state is and how much power is delegated to the cantons.

 

[AlteKartel]

@AlteKartel Somalis think that to be a strong state, you need to be centralized. Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, US, Germany etc… are all decentralized to one degree or another and function just fine.

We could have a strong federal state if we focus the federal government on a few exclusive powers. Take a look at how strong the Swiss state is and how much power is delegated to the cantons.

I’ve always said that as long as the FMS fully cede the constitutional powers of the FGS to the federal government I’d be able to accept heavy decentralization with the FGS having oversight powers on other aspects of governance. The issue is that the FGS wants more and FMS don’t want to cede powers, putting us in a stalemate. Somalia is a poor country so the benefit of centralization is resource pooling, which can make it easier to invest in high-impact projects. However, we know that in practice it sadly wouldnt pan out that way. Just make sure Xamar gets a slice of the decentralization pie and I’ll be federalisms biggest soldier 🫡