Somalia one of the 7 countries chosen to be taken out

[Nilotic]

so it's really just israel

A little bit more complicated than that, but Israel made sure that Sudan suffered for its stances and alignments

What should be pointed out is that even when Israel was supporting us, Khartoum was the largest recipient of U.S. military aid after Egypt; and this is precisely why Sudan has C-130 Hercules aircraft and M60 Patton tanks.

Washington and Israel were on different sides of the war until Bashir arrived on the scene; the South was aligned with the Soviet Union during the Cold War and our military officers were trained by the Cubans.

We even received weapons from Gaddafi -- due to Garang's vision (unpopular within the South) of uniting the African and Arab worlds through Sudan. Even now, Egypt is our biggest ally in Africa -- prompting Ali Osman Taha to sardonically ask how well we were getting on with our "brothers" -- the Egyptians.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

This has been known for ages. I always wondered why the hell they were so hellbent on this other than wanting to loot our resources cos that point didn't 100% add up. Other than our marine resources and maybe some uranium they really don't loot all that much from Somalia, for example. Then it hit me.

It's about Israel. It's basically about making sure no wealthy, developed and strong states not subservient to the West exist around their little settled colonialist project that can then threaten its existence.

But then the looting is in there too and just generally seeing our block of nations as a threat to their global economic and political order if we're not willing to be their boys like the Khaleejis were for much of the last 30+ years.

Why isn’t pakistan on this list? didn’t they host or hide osama bin laden and don’t they have nukes?

 

[December]

A little bit more complicated than that, but Israel made sure that Sudan suffered for its stances and alignments

What should be pointed out is that even when Israel was supporting us, Khartoum was the largest recipient of U.S. military aid after Egypt; and this is precisely why Sudan has C-130 Hercules aircraft and M60 Patton tanks.

Washington and Israel were on different sides of the war until Bashir arrived on the scene; the South was aligned with the Soviet Union during the Cold War and our military officers were trained by the Cubans.

We even received weapons from Gaddafi -- due to Garang's vision (unpopular within the South) of uniting the African and Arab worlds through Sudan. Even now, Egypt is our biggest ally in Africa -- prompting Ali Osman Taha to sardonically ask how well we were getting on with our "brothers" -- the Egyptians.

might have to read about north-south relations during the cold war

 

[Hotchick12]

whilst they were doing all this, china has been rising behind their back, china has been the number 1 trader with africa and latin america and caribbean,

 

[Spongebob]

A lot of folks don't realize just how much Israel and its powerful lobby pretty much drove the Iraq war into happening. They tried really hard with Iran and are still somewhat trying. Netanyahu and the Israeli lobby worked hard for an "Iran war" and had many Neo-cons and Neo-liberals on their side but, thankfully, the utter fiasco that was the Iraq war and it's subsequent fallout has so far curbed the appetite for another invasion among Americans politicians just enough.

I'm reminded of this absurd and hilarious fear mongering image from one of Netanyahu's addresses to the UN trying to convince people that Iran "needed to be stopped":

This is not some "The J000ssss ruuuun the world" post. Israel just very much does have a strong and scary lobby across the west that gets shit done in their favour. They've ended Congressional careers and actively influence policy in part because America is also a lunatic nation where Christian crazies who seriously want the Masixi Yom al-Qiyamah occupy some of the highest echelons of power:



There's a lot of insanity going on in DC.

Right now they won't be able to stir up support for a war against Iran. People want to die for their country, and their country has been giving them even less then crumbs lately. Why should they die for Israel?

 

[Shimbiris]

Why isn’t pakistan on this list? didn’t they host or hide osama bin laden and don’t they have nukes?

I'm not well versed on Pakistan but my very surface level grasp has been that the Pakistani military pretty much pacifies any government that could remotely be a threat to the West or cause any sort of radical change. They're pretty much bought and paid for. Plus, there's probably an element of not wanting to f*ck around too much in a country where nukes are involved. That's flirting with Armageddon.

The west isn't totally rabid. If you're willing to work closely with them and not inconvenience them like the Khaleej states, Pakistan and historically Turkey as well, they will mostly leave you be.

 

[Idilinaa]

That "self-destruction" was in large part orchestrated by them. Many of the "rebel" leaders in our civil war were disowned, disgruntled degenerates whom the West and by proxy via Ethiopia funded and armed with the specific purpose of destabilising and destroying Somalia. They had no plan other than looting and destroying their own homeland and their benefactors knew this.

@Idilinaa can go into more detail than I can.

Yup the the insurgencies weren't local populous rebellions at all, even documents made that clear at the time. They had no broad support and their alliance/assistance from Ethiopia made them despised by Somalis of all stripes.

I am fairly certain that the plan was devised and cooked up covertly by Isreal who worked to bring it about through Ethiopia. There is extensive documentation of their involvement that has been continuous since 1963 , they were a source of funding and backing for not only Ethiopia but also the insurgencies.

Even during/after the Ogaden war Isreal was putting pressure on the United States to support Ethiopia against Somalia , even when it was against their strategic and economic interest at the time . ''much to the astonishment of the Americans'

Greater Israel Explained: The Israeli Plan to Conquer the Arab World (Somalia ties into this i'll explain)

Pay close attention to what he says at @11:35 , basically goes in on the false narrative of the middle east (Somalia is connected to this) He says: The Cartoonish caricature of ''The Middle East'' as a region that is hopelessly condemned to thousand year old ethnic and religious conflict is one...

www.somalispot.com

I'll explain in this next part. That Ethiopia is a political regional arm of Isreal that attempt to replicate the same thing with Somalia as Isreal have done with Arabs and they are helping eachother to weaken/fracture the larger Arab/Muslim world.



It is also important to note that Isreal and Ethiopia shared with eachother a common cause and a common identity: Isreal backed Ethiopia in their war with Somalia in 1977 and in 1964.

The CIA wrote the following: “𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘌𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘰𝘱𝘪𝘢'𝘴 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘐𝘴𝘳𝘢𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘧𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘔𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘪𝘮 𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘳𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘢𝘤𝘵''

Isreal w was even urging the United States to back Ethiopia.

More info on this thread:


Ethiopia also borrowed schemes from Isreal to replicate Gaza situation on Ogaden: And make Ogaden into the new Palestine


A qoute from Ethiopian officials and military personels:

To this very day they exchange techniques and support eachother:



Even their sudden push to claim the red sea is connected to Isreal expansion and control
of this against Muslims, as soon as the war in Gaza and Axis of Resistance resumed:


Same with their ploy in Egypt in Ethiopias dam project is an attempt to weaken regional Muslim power and they get funded by Isreal.

Same during the 2006 invasion to dismantle the ICU. It was Isreali intelligence Mossad drafting and structuring it and they had deep connections to various warlords

That Professor is on the money.

I think the more shocking nail in the coffin to me has to be Egals letter to Isreal.

Did you know the 2nd President of Somaliland wrote a letter to the Israeli Prime Minister begging for Ictiraaf

Here are the contents of the letter in which President Egal denounced Sharia as backwards and warned against Islamist in the rest f Somalia and ended the letter by proclaiming himself an obedient servant the Israei PM. :russ: "Republic of Somaliland The Presidency Our Ref: SLR/PO/ISPMI/7/95...

www.somalispot.com

The letter i linked above is the former Somaliland President Egal the husband of Edna Aden, proclaiming himself to be the ''Obedient Servant'' of Isreal and denouncing Islam and Muslim regional powers.

It goes to show how much the Somaliland project is just a another Isreali driven proxy to divide and destroy Somalis/Muslims and its done to aid Isreal and Ethiopia in their geo-political goals. This memorandum of understanding between Ethiopia and Somaliland to allow them to be stationed on the red sea is to prevent it from falling in control by Muslim regional powers in service of Isreal

Egal said:

Your Excellency, my government firmly believes that owing to this region's
strategic geopolitical importance as a result of its propinquity to the
oil routes and the narrow Babul-Mendeb entrance, as well as its proximity
to the Gulf, the Middle East and the access to the Indian Ocean, it will
be highly deleterious if such a strategic region falls almost entirely
under the dominion of pro-Islamic regimes. Needless to say that this should be a portentous eventuality which will in turn adversely affect the national security of the State of Israel

 

[wheel]

That "self-destruction" was in large part orchestrated by them. Many of the "rebel" leaders in our civil war were disowned, disgruntled degenerates whom the West and by proxy via Ethiopia funded and armed with the specific purpose of destabilising and destroying Somalia. They had no plan other than looting and destroying their own homeland and their benefactors knew this.

@Idilinaa can go into more detail than I can.

What western countries supported them that wasnt heavily outweighed by the support given to the gov? Siad Barre received a huge amount of weapons and money from USA and countries like Italy to maintain his army and support the economy. These "degenerates" received some degree of morale support from their clan, support from somali money men and thousands of youths who enlisted who were willing to die for their cause, and thats all that was required to destroy the country unfortunately.

 

[Shimbiris]

@Idilinaa

I'm reminded of the words of Anti-Zionist Jewish Israeli Professor Ilan Pappe



He points out that by being the Settler Colonialist insert that it is Israel has effectively exacerbated anti-Semitism across the world, particularly across the non-western world where the sort of rabid anti-Semitism native to Europe was pretty much foreign until fairly recently. The peoples of the Greater Middle East have no history of pogroms or Jewish aimed genocides despite living amongst and dealing with Jewish people far longer than Europeans have. Yet now anti-Jewish fervour has skyrocketed because of the ill will Israel has created.

It's not just about the issue with Palestinians and how they treat them but that they are a key source of destruction, strife and instability in the region. How many Somalis might someday research what you have and realize their family's home in Xamar was partly destroyed because of Israel's politicking then extrapolate that into hatred of Jews who support Israel and perhaps, unfortunately, all Jews regardless of their views? They honestly really fucked themselves even worse in terms of global PR with this Palestine colonization project.

This project was idiotic and lunatic in nature from the start. "Lets go colonize this little area of the Levant and push the natives out and then be surrounded by dozens of Muslim states who will most assuredly hate us for doing that." It would have ended in absolute tears and massacres for them a long time ago without Western funding and support earned by their lobbies and western lunatics like "Christian Zionists" in these countries. No US defense systems, no nukes, no foreign aid or subsidies... khalas without those things.

It's why they have to come up with outlandish ideas like "Greater Israel" and try to destabilise the whole region; this shit was never sustainable. We partly have the gaalo and their anti-Semitism to blame for this. Why not give them nukes and weapons and carve out a section of Germany for them after what the Germans did to them? But no, Churchill and the lot of them were pretty much as anti-Semitic as the Nazis and wanted a solution to their long "Jewish problem" which was, quite simply, making them the Muslims' problem and using them as a destabilising force so they could continue to dominate us once outright colonialism failed as a racket. Vile.

 

[Idilinaa]

What western countries supported them that wasnt heavily outweighed by the support given to the gov? Siad Barre received a huge amount of weapons and money from USA and countries like Italy to maintain his army and support the economy. These "degenerates" received some degree of morale support from their clan, support from somali money men and thousands of youths who enlisted who were willing to die for their cause, and thats all that was required to destroy the country unfortunately.

The rebel groups were funded and armed by Libya, Isreal and Ethiopia they were outweighed in the support they recieved.

The government recieved modest economic aid, but didn't really recieve much substantial military equipement or arms. They had to rely on their old stuff.

The insurgencies recieved no broad clan support even, also had no appeal from the wider Somali populous and they largely failed to recruit people to their cause

Any real tribalism that occurred was actually a creation by those very same anti-siad elements who sought to draw members of their own clan family to their side and other Somalis and erode Siad's broad support base.

'' there is no organized opposition to his regime within Somalia''
'' The group's acceptance of Ethiopian assistance and it's narrow clan make up have weakened its appeal to the Somali populace''

''The continued existence of tribalism, despite 10-year campaign to eradicate it , however presents an area that could be exploited by anti-Siad elements

They had limited appeal beyond their clan and defected to Ethiopia to become proxy stooges.
Which also made them have even lesser appeal because Somalis wouldn't support people who are shills for Ethiopia.

CIA doc from Year 1985

The insurgencies attacks failed repeatedly and was repelled and defeated by the Somali army repeatedly. They also used Libyian, Isreali agents and Ethiopian troops .

One of the earliest offenses made by them which the Somali national army picked apart was in 1982-83, the SDF invaded Somalia with several thousand ethopian troops.

Later SNM did the exact same up north nearing the closing years with many Ethiopian troops.

How they succedded in the end with USC was through a war of attrition, they continuesly harrased the government, make life miserable for civilians and eventually exhausted its defenses and resources.

 

[wheel]

The rebel groups were funded and armed by Libya, Isreal and Ethiopia they were outweighed in the support they recieved.

The government recieved modest economic aid, but didn't really recieve much substantial military equipement or arms. They had to rely on their old stuff

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The insurgencies recieved no broad clan support even and they failed and had to rely on


The insurgencies failed repeatedly and was repelled and defeated by the Somali army repeatedly. They also used Libyian, Isreali and Ethiopian troops so they recruited hardly any local Somalis

How they succedded in the end with USC was through a war of attrition, they continuesly harrased the governmentand exhausted it.

The SSDF had support from the communist block in the 80's, i'm replying to the claim that support came from the west. SSDF splintered and pretty much dissolved in 1985; their activities was never enough to degrade the somali army/state in a respectable manner.
I agree the support from the populous was insignificant throughout most of the 80s, but in the late 80's the army was splintering with units joining rebel groups. it would be silly to deny that there wasnt some level of support from their pop base, otherwise they would never have succeeded.

 

[Idilinaa]

The SSDF had support from the communist block in the 80's, i'm replying to the claim that support came from the west. SSDF splintered and pretty much dissolved in 1985; their activities was never enough to degrade the somali army/state in a respectable manner.
I agree the support from the populous was insignificant throughout most of the 80s, but in the late 80's the army was splintering with units joining rebel groups. it would be silly to deny that there wasnt some level of support from their pop base, otherwise they would never have succeeded.

Re-read my post i added a few more details before you quoted me

SSDF had support from Isreal, who was also supporting Ethiopia as the 2nd biggest military aid and supplier. they also were training troops. What's funny they move in the most covert way.

In the late 80s the insurgencies was infighting in their ranks and kept relying on foreign troops and military aid to grow their numbers. They was also feuding local clan elders like the way you saw with SNM. The local Isaaq elders were pressuring them to make peace with the government and negotiate with them and criticized the SNM leadership. They met and made deals with Siad barre by 80s who gave concessions to their demands, and made economic reforms.

It's not suprising that the locals didn't support them much, they allied themselves with the enemy Ethiopia and were organized, founded and based abroad. They didn't arise organically through local sentiments.

 

[peterpeter]

That video is old af Somalia already got clipped, Iran is next, we will 100 percent see Iran collapse in our lifetime

 

[Idilinaa]

@Idilinaa

I'm reminded of the words of Anti-Zionist Jewish Israeli Professor Ilan Pappe



He points out that by being the Settler Colonialist insert that it is Israel has effectively exacerbated anti-Semitism across the world, particularly across the non-western world where the sort of rabid anti-Semitism native to Europe was pretty much foreign until fairly recently. The peoples of the Greater Middle East have no history of pogroms or Jewish aimed genocides despite living amongst and dealing with Jewish people far longer than Europeans have. Yet now anti-Jewish fervour has skyrocketed because of the ill will Israel has created.

It's not just about the issue with Palestinians and how they treat them but that they are a key source of destruction, strife and instability in the region. How many Somalis might someday research what you have and realize their family's home in Xamar was partly destroyed because of Israel's politicking then extrapolate that into hatred of Jews who support Israel and perhaps, unfortunately, all Jews regardless of their views? They honestly really fucked themselves even worse in terms of global PR with this Palestine colonization project.

This project was idiotic and lunatic in nature from the start. "Lets go colonize this little area of the Levant and push the natives out and then be surrounded by dozens of Muslim states who will most assuredly hate us for doing that." It would have ended in absolute tears and massacres for them a long time ago without Western funding and support earned by their lobbies and western lunatics like "Christian Zionists" in these countries. No US defense systems, no nukes, no foreign aid or subsidies... khalas without those things.

It's why they have to come up with outlandish ideas like "Greater Israel" and try to destabilise the whole region; this shit was never sustainable. We partly have the gaalo and their anti-Semitism to blame for this. Why not give them nukes and weapons and carve out a section of Germany for them after what the Germans did to them? But no, Churchill and the lot of them were pretty much as anti-Semitic as the Nazis and wanted a solution to their long "Jewish problem" which was, quite simply, making them the Muslims' problem and using them as a destabilising force so they could continue to dominate us once outright colonialism failed as a racket. Vile.

The only one that stands to gain from Middleast destabilization is Isreal, and they are manipulating and making America to do their bidding.

Sometimes these actions don't make much sense from an American foreign policy interest and especially against nations that were former allies to the US . Why would they make enemies out of their own allies?

We are seeing it play out right now as we discuss this. While Syria is experiencing a peaceful political transition . Isreal is invading it and hitting it with air strikes violating international laws and obstructing them

@Chaseyourdreamzz Btw that army general was on Piers yesterday where they discussed it and Piers brings up that old clip to make him explain it further.

They start talking about @8:54 minute mark , they make it clear it's Isreals plot part of what is called a ''Clean break strategy''

 

[Hotchick12]

eventually all these plans h

The only one that stands to gain from Middleast destabilization is Isreal, and they are manipulating and making America to do their bidding.

Sometimes these actions don't make much sense from an American foreign policy interest and especially against nations that were former allies to the US . Why would they make enemies out of their own allies?

We are seeing it play out right now as we discuss this. While Syria is experiencing a peaceful political transition . Isreal is invading it and hitting it with air strikes violating international laws and obstructing them

@Chaseyourdreamzz Btw that army general was on Piers yesterday where they discussed it and Piers brings up that old clip to make him explain it further.

They start talking about @8:54 minute mark , they make it clear it's Isreals plot part of what is called a ''Clean break strategy''

@Idilinaa what do you think about china’s involvement in the middle east, i’ve been seeing that they have been leveraging america’s involvement in the middle east as a tool to further their image across the world

 

[Xassan]

eventually all these plans h

@Idilinaa what do you think about china’s involvement in the middle east, i’ve been seeing that they have been leveraging america’s involvement in the middle east as a tool to further their image across the world

China is a better partner than USA, you dont see Beijing attempting to spread communism to Afghanistan, Serbia or other partners. Though some loan policies are shady they are trillions times better for the 3rd world as opposed to america.

 

[Idilinaa]

eventually all these plans h

@Idilinaa what do you think about china’s involvement in the middle east, i’ve been seeing that they have been leveraging america’s involvement in the middle east as a tool to further their image across the world

China has two main foreign policy objectives. They want to expand economically in terms of finding new markets to exports their goods to, especially to circumvent the trade wars/tariffs enacted by western government and to find raw materials/resources and unloading labor for their technological industrialization projects.

And they want to weaken America's global political standings , what made them both hostile toward eachother has to with American presence in the South China sea and Taiwan.
It will help move them closer to that goal.

It can be mostly good for the middle east. Politically they are more preferable because they are not bogged down by the interests of Isreal and also economically , even when there is loans they don't come with coercive policy conditions or structural changes in order to pay off the debt or receive support, the way western economic support does, the only place they do this in Southeast Asian nations around the South China sea.

 

[caanoshaah]

This is why somali ana carabs are highkey the downfall of somalis cuz no offense? Arabs are nothing but trouble. Trying to fit in with them so damn desperately will never do no good only f*ck us over double. Not only do the arabs already hate us now but we got other groups that hate arabs hating on us!

By mingling with arabs we absorb ALL their problems with none of the perks. So I hope yall ana carabs will learn yall f*cking lesson soon this why rwandans and kenyans are better off they dont be jumping up and down trying to larp as another race plss

 

[Idilinaa]

This is why somali ana carabs are highkey the downfall of somalis cuz no offense? Arabs are nothing but trouble. Trying to fit in with them so damn desperately will never do no good only f*ck us over double. Not only do the arabs already hate us now but we got other groups that hate arabs hating on us!

By mingling with arabs we absorb ALL their problems with none of the perks. So I hope yall ana carabs will learn yall f*cking lesson soon this why rwandans and kenyans are better off they dont be jumping up and down trying to larp as another race plss

This is the equivalent of accusing Korean and Japanese of being ''ana chinese'' because they have been culturally and economically linked to China and the wider east asia cultural sphere. A lot of those countries may not like eachother, they don't deny the relationship and what they share with eachother

Similarly Somalia is an extension of the middle east/north africa and arabia. It's just physical and historical reality. It's not about larping as one to acknowledge that fact, we are Somali at the end of the day.

What your personal opinions are about a certain group is unimportant when it comes to politics. There are no friends in diplomacy, only permanent interests.

So it's not about who hates you , its about who shares the same interests as you.

With the exception of Eritrea , its only Arab and Muslim countries that supported Somalia and were pro Somali unity. We share the same geo-political destiny.

Kenya and Rwanda are extremely poor and underdeveloped countries , that haven't much progress at all. They are just glorified western stooges that don't work in their own best interests. They don't even pose a threat in any sort of way to any regional power as well. I'll rather Somalia don't sell out to be like them.