Somalia only exists on paper

[Kun_Ciil]

Why is everyone wasting their time on Somali politics? It's all a facade that is being engineered to make sure a united Somali nation never comes about again. We have unofficially balkanized, all we are waiting for is when it will become official and what will be the consequences of this division.

This whole 4.5 system, the federal state system mainly divided on clan lines was never put in place to rebuild our country. Rather its a tool of division, instead of implementing a system that brings us closer together we have instead put in a place a system that further exacerbates our qabiil divisions.

I pray and put my trust in Allah that he unites our people and that we protect the land of our forefathers from those with covetous eyes. But the situation in our mother land is not looking great for the future, and I genuinely believe that our nation and land is being ripened to accept occupation and displacement.

Does anyone ever think to which purpose does it serve that our nation is divided into qabiil fiefdoms?

A supposedly homogeneous nation has been split into 6 states - which also serves the purpose of future interstate conflict

1)Somaliland - Majority Isaaq and with Darood warsangeli/dhulbahante clans, and also Gadabuursi
2)Puntland - Darood Majerteen
3)Galmudug - Majority Habar gidir with marexaan/muursade/duudube/abgaal/dir tribes also
4)HirShabelle - Xawadle/Abgaal and Gaaljecel, and bantu
5)Konfur Galbeed - Digil iyo mirifle majority with other tribes like Dir biyomaal, hawiye tribes and bantu
6)Jubbaland - Can't comment on the proper makeup of tribes since I'm not too well versed on this region. But I know Ogaden/Marexaan/gaaljecel/digil iyo mirifle/bantu and other tribes live there.

What does this show us? That it has been made impossible to govern Somalia with a central government because each regional state is not a mere vassal of the central state but an independent state built on qabiil. The Somali qabiil paradigm is a nation within a nation. How can two conflicting ideals bring about a united nation? On one hand we have the notion of qabiil is my nation and has my undying loyalty, and on the other hand a nation state requires loyalty that supersedes the loyalty of qabiil. So something has to give right? Either us as a people have to sacrifice qabiil and put our loyalty and confidence in the Somali state or we have to seek sovereignty from each other and build our own qabiil nation states(the more likely of the two)

However, what I fear is that we are being led on a path which will make us weak and easy prey for our enemies. Listen to this sheikh speaking over 20 years ago, when the only states that existed were Somaliland/Puntland and in the south we had warlords acting along qabiil lines.


This video is what inspired me to make this thread. Wallahi he caught me cold with saying "what used to be called Somaliweyn will be called instead xabashiweyn." The amxaaro are playing a long game with us, and these puppet leaders that we have in each region including Xamar are playing into their hands knowingly or unknowingly.

It should be clear to everyone that the day we split apart is the day that our neighbours will be licking their lips. If I was Amxaara the first state I would take over is Konfur Galbeed because of the Ethiopian presence there and also with the May people being sidelined by their maha tiri brothers. However, that could turn messy since neighbouring states would call to jihaad and pour into konfur galbeed. Hmm wait, then I'll use my other ploy by making the new states fight each other for disputed land

HG v MJ for Mudug
Marexaan v Ogadeen for Kismayo
Darood v Isaaq in Sool/Sanaag
Reer Awdal v Isaaq
Hawiye v Digil Mirifle for Shabelle Hoose
Gaaljecel v Xawadle for Hiraan
HG v Abgaal for Banaadir

Oh, and whilst you suckers are busy with each other, I will go to Hargeisa and offer them my support against Darood in exchange for a port in Zeila and the land of the rebellious awdal people, and at the same time do deals behind doors with Garowe by offering them Sool and Sanaag if they turn a blind eye once I finally decide to annex the remnants of Somaliland to greater abysinnia.

But don't think it will end there because when my people gain a stronghold in Sland, and we become a Majority through engineered migration we will further encroach west into Puntland. At the same time to prevent Harti alliance with Jubbaland we will support our friendly neighbour Kenya in pitting OG v Marexaan against each other until eventually one clan agrees to become a vassal governor of the Kenyan state Jubbaland.

Oh and the moriyaan Hawiye? Maybe the other Somali tribes will migrate to their lands and unite with them to form a reconquista.

Aucuudu billah does that all sound realistic or am i tripping kkk? Forreal tho if you thought things were bleak now, I hope you all are ready for when we all split apart. May Allah protect us and help us overcome this cancer called qabiil.

 

[TheLand]

Why is everyone wasting their time on Somali politics? It's all a facade that is being engineered to make sure a united Somali nation never comes about again. We have unofficially balkanized, all we are waiting for is when it will become official and what will be the consequences of this division.

This whole 4.5 system, the federal state system mainly divided on clan lines was never put in place to rebuild our country. Rather its a tool of division, instead of implementing a system that brings us closer together we have instead put in a place a system that further exacerbates our qabiil divisions.

I pray and put my trust in Allah that he unites our people and that we protect the land of our forefathers from those with covetous eyes. But the situation in our mother land is not looking great for the future, and I genuinely believe that our nation and land is being ripened to accept occupation and displacement.

Does anyone ever think to which purpose does it serve that our nation is divided into qabiil fiefdoms?

A supposedly homogeneous nation has been split into 6 states - which also serves the purpose of future interstate conflict

1)Somaliland - Majority Isaaq and with Darood warsangeli/dhulbahante clans, and also Gadabuursi
2)Puntland - Darood Majerteen
3)Galmudug - Majority Habar gidir with marexaan/muursade/duudube/abgaal/dir tribes also
4)HirShabelle - Xawadle/Abgaal and Gaaljecel, and bantu
5)Konfur Galbeed - Digil iyo mirifle majority with other tribes like Dir biyomaal, hawiye tribes and bantu
6)Jubbaland - Can't comment on the proper makeup of tribes since I'm not too well versed on this region. But I know Ogaden/Marexaan/gaaljecel/digil iyo mirifle/bantu and other tribes live there.

What does this show us? That it has been made impossible to govern Somalia with a central government because each regional state is not a mere vassal of the central state but an independent state built on qabiil. The Somali qabiil paradigm is a nation within a nation. How can two conflicting ideals bring about a united nation? On one hand we have the notion of qabiil is my nation and has my undying loyalty, and on the other hand a nation state requires loyalty that supersedes the loyalty of qabiil. So something has to give right? Either us as a people have to sacrifice qabiil and put our loyalty and confidence in the Somali state or we have to seek sovereignty from each other and build our own qabiil nation states(the more likely of the two)

However, what I fear is that we are being led on a path which will make us weak and easy prey for our enemies. Listen to this sheikh speaking over 20 years ago, when the only states that existed were Somaliland/Puntland and in the south we had warlords acting along qabiil lines.


This video is what inspired me to make this thread. Wallahi he caught me cold with saying "what used to be called Somaliweyn will be called instead xabashiweyn." The amxaaro are playing a long game with us, and these puppet leaders that we have in each region including Xamar are playing into their hands knowingly or unknowingly.

It should be clear to everyone that the day we split apart is the day that our neighbours will be licking their lips. If I was Amxaara the first state I would take over is Konfur Galbeed because of the Ethiopian presence there and also with the May people being sidelined by their maha tiri brothers. However, that could turn messy since neighbouring states would call to jihaad and pour into konfur galbeed. Hmm wait, then I'll use my other ploy by making the new states fight each other for disputed land

HG v MJ for Mudug
Marexaan v Ogadeen for Kismayo
Darood v Isaaq in Sool/Sanaag
Reer Awdal v Isaaq
Hawiye v Digil Mirifle for Shabelle Hoose
Gaaljecel v Xawadle for Hiraan
HG v Abgaal for Banaadir

Oh, and whilst you suckers are busy with each other, I will go to Hargeisa and offer them my support against Darood in exchange for a port in Zeila and the land of the rebellious awdal people, and at the same time do deals behind doors with Garowe by offering them Sool and Sanaag if they turn a blind eye once I finally decide to annex the remnants of Somaliland to greater abysinnia.

But don't think it will end there because when my people gain a stronghold in Sland, and we become Majority through engineered migration we will further encroach west into Puntland. At the same time to prevent Harti alliance with Jubbaland we will support our friendly neighbour Kenya in pitting OG v Marexaan against each other until eventually one clan agrees to become a vassal governor of the Kenyan state Jubbaland.

Oh and the moriyaan Hawiye? Maybe the other Somali tribes will migrate to their lands and unite with them to form a reconquista.

Aucuudu billah does that all sound realistic or am i tripping kkk? Forreal tho if you thought things were bleak now, I hope you all are ready for when we all split apart. May Allah protect us and help us overcome this cancer called qabiil.

Didn’t read much except the last part lol. I welcome the split. Enough of thugs and mooriyaan tuug terrorists. Good riddance!

 

[Kun_Ciil]

A majority oromo city now

Also what happened to the Somalis living in Harar? Bro a wise man learns from the experiences of others.

A map of Harar featuring the Gadabuursi, Geri, Issa, Karanle Hawiye and Berteri Jidwaaq Somali communities.

The Somali tribes surrounding Harar are mainly from the Gadabuursi and Issa subclans of the Dir and the Karanle subclan of the Hawiye. They represent the most native Somali clans in the region.[88] The Darod clans of the Geri and Jidwaaq also inhabit areas near Harar. The Gadabuursi and Geri Somali strike immediately north and north eastwards of the town. Richard Francis Burton (1856) describes the Gadabuursi and Geri Somali clans as extending to within sight of Harar.[89][90] The Issa and Karanle Hawiye strike north and north westwards whilst the Jidwaaq strike eastwards.[91][92]

 

[angelplan]

30+ millions of believers muslim somalis blessed by GOD with the biggest coastline in the historic birth continent of mankind, Africa, is a nightmare to our infidels enemies. Hence why the colonisers divided us into minions states that can't even bite. Same fate happened to the Islamic world at large.

If we are going to survive in the long term, we have to adapt to the norms of the new world we Live in 2024.

Either we use qabil in a good way or it will lead to our downfall. Since we can't get rid of it as it is mentioned in the holy quran. Tribes are there to be recognized for and not to discriminate against each other. We have no other way but to master the art of qabil into functioning government in effective manner.

I suggest we create parties along qabil lines and drop qabil federal states nonsense. Lets say Qabil X wins the election. Mind you majority of all somalis have to vote for this qabil X to win the elections. If elected by the majority of somalis then said Qabil X will establish a government to serve the whole of somalis for a term. The rest of the somalis will watch and learn how this qabil fades in serving the overall somalis while the other qabils will be opposition waiting for their turns.

1 qabil 1 party movement.

Todays 4.5 quota is the worse cancer ever happened to somalis. Not only it is Islamically haram as some human beings are referred as half of their fellows, it does not even make the politics norms of the 21st century.

For example if President is Hawiye the prime minister has to be Darod and vice versa has to stop immidiately. Not only it is Islamic haram it sets an idiotic precedent for future generations. Lets say you are highly qualified but you cant fit it in since you neither of them. This leaves you out the consideration and is retarded because somalis in general are much more diverse than these only two options.

That is why every qabil must have their own party. If you Qabil X then you have to run for Qabil X. Somalis in general will then choose which Qabil agenda serves them right for the term.

Imagine there is a general elections and here are the parties:

1. Qabil A
2. Qabil B
3. Qabil C
4. Qabil D
5. Qabil E

all somalis must choose one qabil to lead them in a term.

Qabil D has been elected. Then it is the job of Qabil D to form a government entirely made of Qabil D to lead all somalis in general.

Once their term is up they must follow constitution and peacefully transfer power to the newly elected qabil by somalis.

Simple as that. Somalis are obsessed with qabil so why not form qabil based parties instead the 4.5 nonsense and the rotation qabil nonsense going on today.

This will be much easier to assemble all somalis. Todays use of qabil is outdated and borderline retarded.

Inchallah khair for Somalis.

 

[Malsi]

Why is everyone wasting their time on Somali politics? It's all a facade that is being engineered to make sure a united Somali nation never comes about again. We have unofficially balkanized, all we are waiting for is when it will become official and what will be the consequences of this division.

This whole 4.5 system, the federal state system mainly divided on clan lines was never put in place to rebuild our country. Rather its a tool of division, instead of implementing a system that brings us closer together we have instead put in a place a system that further exacerbates our qabiil divisions.

I pray and put my trust in Allah that he unites our people and that we protect the land of our forefathers from those with covetous eyes. But the situation in our mother land is not looking great for the future, and I genuinely believe that our nation and land is being ripened to accept occupation and displacement.

Does anyone ever think to which purpose does it serve that our nation is divided into qabiil fiefdoms?

A supposedly homogeneous nation has been split into 6 states - which also serves the purpose of future interstate conflict

1)Somaliland - Majority Isaaq and with Darood warsangeli/dhulbahante clans, and also Gadabuursi
2)Puntland - Darood Majerteen
3)Galmudug - Majority Habar gidir with marexaan/muursade/duudube/abgaal/dir tribes also
4)HirShabelle - Xawadle/Abgaal and Gaaljecel, and bantu
5)Konfur Galbeed - Digil iyo mirifle majority with other tribes like Dir biyomaal, hawiye tribes and bantu
6)Jubbaland - Can't comment on the proper makeup of tribes since I'm not too well versed on this region. But I know Ogaden/Marexaan/gaaljecel/digil iyo mirifle/bantu and other tribes live there.

What does this show us? That it has been made impossible to govern Somalia with a central government because each regional state is not a mere vassal of the central state but an independent state built on qabiil. The Somali qabiil paradigm is a nation within a nation. How can two conflicting ideals bring about a united nation? On one hand we have the notion of qabiil is my nation and has my undying loyalty, and on the other hand a nation state requires loyalty that supersedes the loyalty of qabiil. So something has to give right? Either us as a people have to sacrifice qabiil and put our loyalty and confidence in the Somali state or we have to seek sovereignty from each other and build our own qabiil nation states(the more likely of the two)

However, what I fear is that we are being led on a path which will make us weak and easy prey for our enemies. Listen to this sheikh speaking over 20 years ago, when the only states that existed were Somaliland/Puntland and in the south we had warlords acting along qabiil lines.


This video is what inspired me to make this thread. Wallahi he caught me cold with saying "what used to be called Somaliweyn will be called instead xabashiweyn." The amxaaro are playing a long game with us, and these puppet leaders that we have in each region including Xamar are playing into their hands knowingly or unknowingly.

It should be clear to everyone that the day we split apart is the day that our neighbours will be licking their lips. If I was Amxaara the first state I would take over is Konfur Galbeed because of the Ethiopian presence there and also with the May people being sidelined by their maha tiri brothers. However, that could turn messy since neighbouring states would call to jihaad and pour into konfur galbeed. Hmm wait, then I'll use my other ploy by making the new states fight each other for disputed land

HG v MJ for Mudug
Marexaan v Ogadeen for Kismayo
Darood v Isaaq in Sool/Sanaag
Reer Awdal v Isaaq
Hawiye v Digil Mirifle for Shabelle Hoose
Gaaljecel v Xawadle for Hiraan
HG v Abgaal for Banaadir

Oh, and whilst you suckers are busy with each other, I will go to Hargeisa and offer them my support against Darood in exchange for a port in Zeila and the land of the rebellious awdal people, and at the same time do deals behind doors with Garowe by offering them Sool and Sanaag if they turn a blind eye once I finally decide to annex the remnants of Somaliland to greater abysinnia.

But don't think it will end there because when my people gain a stronghold in Sland, and we become a Majority through engineered migration we will further encroach west into Puntland. At the same time to prevent Harti alliance with Jubbaland we will support our friendly neighbour Kenya in pitting OG v Marexaan against each other until eventually one clan agrees to become a vassal governor of the Kenyan state Jubbaland.

Oh and the moriyaan Hawiye? Maybe the other Somali tribes will migrate to their lands and unite with them to form a reconquista.

Aucuudu billah does that all sound realistic or am i tripping kkk? Forreal tho if you thought things were bleak now, I hope you all are ready for when we all split apart. May Allah protect us and help us overcome this cancer called qabiil.

Stopped reading at the first one. Kulaha Warsangeli iyo Dhulbahante baa Somaliland ah.

 

[Kun_Ciil]

30+ millions of believers muslim somalis blessed by GOD with the biggest coastline in the historic birth continent of mankind, Africa, is a nightmare to our infidels enemies. Hence why the colonisers divided us into minions states that can't even bite. Same fate happened to the Islamic world at large.

If we are going to survive in the long term, we have to adapt to the norms of the new world we Live in 2024.

Either we use qabil in a good way or it will lead to our downfall. Since we can't get rid of it as it is mentioned in the holy quran. Tribes are there to be recognized for and not to discriminate against each other. We have no other way but to master the art of qabil into functioning government in effective manner.

I suggest we create parties along qabil lines and drop qabil federal states nonsense. Lets say Qabil X wins the election. Mind you majority of all somalis have to vote for this qabil X to win the elections. If elected by the majority of somalis then said Qabil X will establish a government to serve the whole of somalis for a term. The rest of the somalis will watch and learn how this qabil fades in serving the overall somalis while the other qabils will be opposition waiting for their turns.

1 qabil 1 party movement.

Todays 4.5 quota is the worse cancer ever happened to somalis. Not only it is Islamically haram as some human beings are referred as half of their fellows, it does not even make the politics norms of the 21st century.

For example if President is Hawiye the prime minister has to be Darod and vice versa has to stop immidiately. Not only it is Islamic haram it sets an idiotic precedent for future generations. Lets say you are highly qualified but you cant fit it in since you neither of them. This leaves you out the consideration and is retarded because somalis in general are much more diverse than these only two options.

That is why every qabil must have their own party. If you Qabil X then you have to run for Qabil X. Somalis in general will then choose which Qabil agenda serves them right for the term.

Imagine there is a general elections and here are the parties:

1. Qabil A
2. Qabil B
3. Qabil C
4. Qabil D
5. Qabil E

all somalis must choose one qabil to lead them in a term.

Qabil D has been elected. Then it is the job of Qabil D to form a government entirely made of Qabil D to lead all somalis in general.

Once their term is up they must follow constitution and peacefully transfer power to the newly elected qabil by somalis.

Simple as that. Somalis are obsessed with qabil so why not form qabil based parties instead the 4.5 nonsense and the rotation qabil nonsense going on today.

This will be much easier to assemble all somalis. Todays use of qabil is outdated and borderline retarded.

Inchallah khair for Somalis.

Bro I don't get how can it be so hard for our people to put aside qabiil and instead focus on building a nation that will benefit our future generations?

I dont know why we have to do a 1man 1 vote western nonsense. I would pick 10 certified representatives from every region, made up of scholars,academics,working class people, elders from all qabiils, and let them elect a leader amongst themselves to serve as long as he is alive and if he passes away for another leader to be elected by the council again.

Or make a boqortoyo in Somalia. Give kingship to a smaller tribe like Gadabuursi/Cisse/Sheekhaal and let them and their descendents rule Somalia. All tribes loyal to the king.

 

[hayran]

The overall trend is a slow march towards centralisation, a very slow one.

 

[TheLand]

The overall trend is a slow march towards centralisation, a very slow one.

don’t confuse a slow ‘march’ for a death spiral

 

[Galool]

@Kun_Ciil Allah SWT tests peoples with trials like this it is his Sunnah. It is a trial, and people are being tested for what they do during it. It is a phase that will be passed. I believe we are coming to the end of this era. Things can change very quickly. No need to worry inshaAllah.

 

[Galool]

I always see clips of that lecture from nearly 30 years ago. AUN to Sheikh Maxamed Rashaad.

Here is the full one:

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Why is everyone wasting their time on Somali politics? It's all a facade that is being engineered to make sure a united Somali nation never comes about again. We have unofficially balkanized, all we are waiting for is when it will become official and what will be the consequences of this division.

This whole 4.5 system, the federal state system mainly divided on clan lines was never put in place to rebuild our country. Rather its a tool of division, instead of implementing a system that brings us closer together we have instead put in a place a system that further exacerbates our qabiil divisions.

I pray and put my trust in Allah that he unites our people and that we protect the land of our forefathers from those with covetous eyes. But the situation in our mother land is not looking great for the future, and I genuinely believe that our nation and land is being ripened to accept occupation and displacement.

Does anyone ever think to which purpose does it serve that our nation is divided into qabiil fiefdoms?

A supposedly homogeneous nation has been split into 6 states - which also serves the purpose of future interstate conflict

1)Somaliland - Majority Isaaq and with Darood warsangeli/dhulbahante clans, and also Gadabuursi
2)Puntland - Darood Majerteen
3)Galmudug - Majority Habar gidir with marexaan/muursade/duudube/abgaal/dir tribes also
4)HirShabelle - Xawadle/Abgaal and Gaaljecel, and bantu
5)Konfur Galbeed - Digil iyo mirifle majority with other tribes like Dir biyomaal, hawiye tribes and bantu
6)Jubbaland - Can't comment on the proper makeup of tribes since I'm not too well versed on this region. But I know Ogaden/Marexaan/gaaljecel/digil iyo mirifle/bantu and other tribes live there.

What does this show us? That it has been made impossible to govern Somalia with a central government because each regional state is not a mere vassal of the central state but an independent state built on qabiil. The Somali qabiil paradigm is a nation within a nation. How can two conflicting ideals bring about a united nation? On one hand we have the notion of qabiil is my nation and has my undying loyalty, and on the other hand a nation state requires loyalty that supersedes the loyalty of qabiil. So something has to give right? Either us as a people have to sacrifice qabiil and put our loyalty and confidence in the Somali state or we have to seek sovereignty from each other and build our own qabiil nation states(the more likely of the two)

However, what I fear is that we are being led on a path which will make us weak and easy prey for our enemies. Listen to this sheikh speaking over 20 years ago, when the only states that existed were Somaliland/Puntland and in the south we had warlords acting along qabiil lines.


This video is what inspired me to make this thread. Wallahi he caught me cold with saying "what used to be called Somaliweyn will be called instead xabashiweyn." The amxaaro are playing a long game with us, and these puppet leaders that we have in each region including Xamar are playing into their hands knowingly or unknowingly.

It should be clear to everyone that the day we split apart is the day that our neighbours will be licking their lips. If I was Amxaara the first state I would take over is Konfur Galbeed because of the Ethiopian presence there and also with the May people being sidelined by their maha tiri brothers. However, that could turn messy since neighbouring states would call to jihaad and pour into konfur galbeed. Hmm wait, then I'll use my other ploy by making the new states fight each other for disputed land

HG v MJ for Mudug
Marexaan v Ogadeen for Kismayo
Darood v Isaaq in Sool/Sanaag
Reer Awdal v Isaaq
Hawiye v Digil Mirifle for Shabelle Hoose
Gaaljecel v Xawadle for Hiraan
HG v Abgaal for Banaadir

Oh, and whilst you suckers are busy with each other, I will go to Hargeisa and offer them my support against Darood in exchange for a port in Zeila and the land of the rebellious awdal people, and at the same time do deals behind doors with Garowe by offering them Sool and Sanaag if they turn a blind eye once I finally decide to annex the remnants of Somaliland to greater abysinnia.

But don't think it will end there because when my people gain a stronghold in Sland, and we become a Majority through engineered migration we will further encroach west into Puntland. At the same time to prevent Harti alliance with Jubbaland we will support our friendly neighbour Kenya in pitting OG v Marexaan against each other until eventually one clan agrees to become a vassal governor of the Kenyan state Jubbaland.

Oh and the moriyaan Hawiye? Maybe the other Somali tribes will migrate to their lands and unite with them to form a reconquista.

Aucuudu billah does that all sound realistic or am i tripping kkk? Forreal tho if you thought things were bleak now, I hope you all are ready for when we all split apart. May Allah protect us and help us overcome this cancer called qabiil.

Wow I took a look at that video, hes explained the situation spot on, if you think about it nothing has changed much in regards to how the government functions since the warlord period. Holding meetings in ethiopia, all split from each other being played against each other. 27 years ago he predicted this.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

30+ millions of believers muslim somalis blessed by GOD with the biggest coastline in the historic birth continent of mankind, Africa, is a nightmare to our infidels enemies. Hence why the colonisers divided us into minions states that can't even bite. Same fate happened to the Islamic world at large.

If we are going to survive in the long term, we have to adapt to the norms of the new world we Live in 2024.

Either we use qabil in a good way or it will lead to our downfall. Since we can't get rid of it as it is mentioned in the holy quran. Tribes are there to be recognized for and not to discriminate against each other. We have no other way but to master the art of qabil into functioning government in effective manner.

I suggest we create parties along qabil lines and drop qabil federal states nonsense. Lets say Qabil X wins the election. Mind you majority of all somalis have to vote for this qabil X to win the elections. If elected by the majority of somalis then said Qabil X will establish a government to serve the whole of somalis for a term. The rest of the somalis will watch and learn how this qabil fades in serving the overall somalis while the other qabils will be opposition waiting for their turns.

1 qabil 1 party movement.

Todays 4.5 quota is the worse cancer ever happened to somalis. Not only it is Islamically haram as some human beings are referred as half of their fellows, it does not even make the politics norms of the 21st century.

For example if President is Hawiye the prime minister has to be Darod and vice versa has to stop immidiately. Not only it is Islamic haram it sets an idiotic precedent for future generations. Lets say you are highly qualified but you cant fit it in since you neither of them. This leaves you out the consideration and is retarded because somalis in general are much more diverse than these only two options.

That is why every qabil must have their own party. If you Qabil X then you have to run for Qabil X. Somalis in general will then choose which Qabil agenda serves them right for the term.

Imagine there is a general elections and here are the parties:

1. Qabil A
2. Qabil B
3. Qabil C
4. Qabil D
5. Qabil E

all somalis must choose one qabil to lead them in a term.

Qabil D has been elected. Then it is the job of Qabil D to form a government entirely made of Qabil D to lead all somalis in general.

Once their term is up they must follow constitution and peacefully transfer power to the newly elected qabil by somalis.

Simple as that. Somalis are obsessed with qabil so why not form qabil based parties instead the 4.5 nonsense and the rotation qabil nonsense going on today.

This will be much easier to assemble all somalis. Todays use of qabil is outdated and borderline retarded.

Inchallah khair for Somalis.

I didnt even take a deeper look at your comment, but although this further and much fairer integration of qabil in government would be much more better then the disaster we have now. What stops the low iqery that plays out today from happening that system you describe? I think we need no voting and no none of that we need some sort of rotating council ship with a central leader and smaller regions like @Kun_Ciil described.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

I always see clips of that lecture from nearly 30 years ago. AUN to Sheikh Maxamed Rashaad.

Here is the full one:

Wahabist salafist terriost is the reason why somalia will never be same again listen to tuug umul who is salafist say alqaida and alshabab are not khawarij they don’t want stable government because they been in riching themselves with xaraan money the last 35 years of anarchy somalia …

Al-shabaab yaa dhalay by Sh Umal VS Sh abdirahman Bashiir😏. #shorts #somalinutritionist #somali

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[Galool]

Wahabist salafist terriost is the reason why somalia will never be same again listen to tuug umul who is salafist say alqaida and alshabab are not khawarij they don’t want stable government because they been in riching themselves with xaraan money the last 35 years of anarchy somalia …

Al-shabaab yaa dhalay by Sh Umal VS Sh abdirahman Bashiir😏. #shorts #somalinutritionist #somali

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Youre the ignorant secularist types they speak of. I never see you speak of Islam at all.

You are constantly just sharing brain numbing tribals rants and insulting Sheikhs.

Your type are the issue.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Youre the ignorant secularist types they speak of. I never see you speak of Islam at all.

You are constantly just sharing brain numbing tribals rants and insulting Sheikhs.

Your type are the issue.

Salafist khawarij terriost are worser than the average Somali tribalism the salafist terriost jihadi believes if he blow him self he will get 72 virgins in heaven

 

[Kun_Ciil]

@Libaax-Joore

War ciyaarta naga daaf.

@Kun_Ciil Allah SWT tests peoples with trials like this it is his Sunnah. It is a trial, and people are being tested for what they do during it. It is a phase that will be passed. I believe we are coming to the end of this era. Things can change very quickly. No need to worry inshaAllah.

This cancer called qabiil bro has really made me lose hope in Somalia. Sometimes I think I should just forget Somalia and everything to do with it, because the partisanship of Qabiil and the oppression it causes has made them into a cursed people. I fear for us that our punishment for our transgressions will be the loss of our land to amxaaro and oromo hordes.

However, one of the few things that console me after putting my trust in Allah that He will protect the Somali people and the Muslims from outright destruction is this hadith
Sahiih muslim:2889
Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:

Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Ummah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white treasure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others.
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الرَّبِيعِ الْعَتَكِيُّ، وَقُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، كِلاَهُمَا عَنْ حَمَّادِ بْنِ زَيْدٍ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لِقُتَيْبَةَ - حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ، عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنْ أَبِي قِلاَبَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي أَسْمَاءَ، عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ إِنَّ اللَّهَ زَوَى لِيَ الأَرْضَ فَرَأَيْتُ مَشَارِقَهَا وَمَغَارِبَهَا وَإِنَّ أُمَّتِي سَيَبْلُغُ مُلْكُهَا مَا زُوِيَ لِي مِنْهَا وَأُعْطِيتُ الْكَنْزَيْنِ الأَحْمَرَ وَالأَبْيَضَ وَإِنِّي سَأَلْتُ رَبِّي لأُمَّتِي أَنْ لاَ يُهْلِكَهَا بِسَنَةٍ بِعَامَّةٍ وَأَنْ لاَ يُسَلِّطَ عَلَيْهِمْ عَدُوًّا مِنْ سِوَى أَنْفُسِهِمْ فَيَسْتَبِيحَ بَيْضَتَهُمْ وَإِنَّ رَبِّي قَالَ يَا مُحَمَّدُ إِنِّي إِذَا قَضَيْتُ قَضَاءً فَإِنَّهُ لاَ يُرَدُّ وَإِنِّي أَعْطَيْتُكَ لأُمَّتِكَ أَنْ لاَ أُهْلِكَهُمْ بِسَنَةٍ بِعَامَّةٍ وَأَنْ لاَ أُسَلِّطَ عَلَيْهِمْ عَدُوًّا مِنْ سِوَى أَنْفُسِهِمْ يَسْتَبِيحُ بَيْضَتَهُمْ وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعَ عَلَيْهِمْ مَنْ بِأَقْطَارِهَا - أَوْ قَالَ مَنْ بَيْنَ أَقْطَارِهَا - حَتَّى يَكُونَ بَعْضُهُمْ يُهْلِكُ بَعْضًا وَيَسْبِي بَعْضُهُمْ بَعْضًا ‏"‏ ‏.‏

So I pray that Allah turns the plots of the xabash and gaalo against them.

 

[Bazed]

Qabil parties won't solve anything. If folks are forced to make parties it should only be based on ideology and economic outlook.

 

[Sophisticate]

Bro I don't get how can it be so hard for our people to put aside qabiil and instead focus on building a nation that will benefit our future generations?

I dont know why we have to do a 1man 1 vote western nonsense. I would pick 10 certified representatives from every region, made up of scholars,academics,working class people, elders from all qabiils, and let them elect a leader amongst themselves to serve as long as he is alive and if he passes away for another leader to be elected by the council again.

Or make a boqortoyo in Somalia. Give kingship to a smaller tribe like Gadabuursi/Cisse/Sheekhaal and let them and their descendents rule Somalia. All tribes loyal to the king.

Cissa and Gadabuursi are not small clans. Clearly you are a shisheye that does not interact with them. Nor do you know of their size or dynamics. They are the largest Dir clans with very long histories of kingships so put some respect on their names.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@TheLand

Remember anti Federalism whether done thru suicide bombings, online diaspora, or official politicians, ask them what is their alternative I bet it's centralism, secession, or plan b irirism. So this isn't random, they work together for a greater clan driven goals.

They just don't like darod are also apart of the politics.

I wish they just stopped it, it makes them look goofy clannist not even smart clannists, as everyone laughs behind the scenes. At least with our clan Federalism everyone has a say noone has a say in your centralist hamar controls all or secession or irir federation.

 

[wheel]

Whoever handed a country over to a bunch of pastoral nomads is to blame for this travesty.