Somalia, Somaliland and Puntland

[Morphius]

I'm not from Puntland.

I am from Jigjiga and Qabri Dahare. Half my family members are married to your women. I can walk into Hargeisa tomorrow and people will respect me.

good to see another Qabri Dahari. Not sure about half of your family marrying Isaaqs though. I grew up around Q.D people and I've never met a single one married to Isaaq. Your family must be a unicorn

 

[Canuck]

One thing for the people that never been to SL dont realise theres like a generation of landers who only grew up to knowing SL and nothing else. They dont know whats somalia or even want to be part of it. I think its to late for somalia to unite imo esp since the instability in the south taking forever to recover.

Of course the choir and back dancer came to resue his big fat friend

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Of course the choir and back dancer came to resue his big fat friend

What the hell its true though? I rather have united somalia..you never been to SL its all SL flags no somalia flags the younger kids call it Somaliland not somalia.

Instead of insulting me figure out why SL wants to leave so bad.

 

[Canuck]

What the hell its true though?

Instead of insulting me figure out why SL wants to leave so bad.

It is not up to them the IC said No, the case is closed 25 years ago

 

[waraabe]

It is not up to them the IC said No, the case is closed 25 years ago

Well somaliland will stay unrecognized then. no union with anyone

 

[Bielsa]

good to see another Qabri Dahari. Not sure about half of your family marrying Isaaqs though. I grew up around Q.D people and I've never met a single one married to Isaaq. Your family must be a unicorn

I'm from Qabri Dahare but got abtiyaal and qaraabo from all over K5. Many of them are married to Isaaq women.

 

[BebsiBolice]

I think it's dangerous to give SL their independence right now, too many regions will wanna follow through. But eventually give it to them. Don't understand why we should cling on to people that hate us for something we didn't do 30 years ago. Wallahi it's a shame that a country like Ethiopia has been so successful in dividing us. I also think it's hilarious Somalis are willingly choosing colonial borders when we were the only Africans fighting hard against the Europeans.

 

[Bielsa]

Separation is inevitable. I just hope its done as peacefully as Czechoslovakia did. If SL wants to go let them. I support SL independency.

Ethiopia will also crumble at some point, and there will be a lot of bloodshed there due to the oppression and atrocities committed by the ruling qolo. Ethiopia will crumble in our lifetime.

 

[Canuck]

I think it's dangerous to give SL their independence right now, too many regions will wanna follow through. But eventually give it to them. Don't understand why we should cling on to people that hate us for something we didn't do 30 years ago. Wallahi it's a shame that a country like Ethiopia has been so successful in dividing us. I also think it's hilarious Somalis are willingly choosing colonial borders when we were the only Africans fighting hard against the Europeans.

Barni it is Somalia sovereign we are talking, and remember that the people in Awdal region and Khaatumo state do not want to separate plus other subclass of Isaaq do not want this separation thing. We had to protect our land.

 

[Canuck]

@Barni @Bielsa
WHY SOMALILAND HAS NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY A SINGLE COUNTRY FOR A QUARTER CENTURY

The situation surrounding SL has arguably been one of the most contentious issues in Somali history since the Northern Somalia territory self declared it's independence amidst the Somali civil war which came as a surprise to many,A surprise because prior to SL separatism movement no other Somali territory harbored separatism tendencies quite contrary Somalis believed the horn of Africa was a single country so strong was this feeling Somalia invaded Ethiopia in 1977 to reclaim the Ogaden region which was wrongfully put under Ethiopian rule by the British colonizers this is a whole different topic altogether so i wont get much into it but moving on to the topic at hand these are some of the most crucial reasons SL will not be achieving recognition anytime soon.I will use the youngest nation in Africa South Sudan as a reference and how it was able to gain international recognition immediately after it's formation so bear with me;

1.PEOPLE
This is arguably one of the most important factors a separatism movement has to fulfill in it's quest for international recognition in the sense that it has to convince the international world they are completely different from the people they wish to separate from by race,religion,language etc SL does not full fill this condition because all ethnic Somalis generally make up one tribe that speaks the same language and furthermore share a religion on the other hand South Sudan managed to fulfill this condition perfectly because they were of a different race,religion and language from the Sudanese people which made their road to recognition a smooth one.

2.ACT OF UNION
This is another important factor a separatist movement can use in their quest for secession by simply proving they never signed an act of union from the region they want to separate from or were even forced or pressured to sign it but in the case of Somalia this is a very different scenario as both North and South Somalia willingly and unilaterally signed an act of union without any military pressure whatsoever amidst pomp and celebrations so once again SL falls short in this category NOTE some people might try to find faults in the act of union to work it on their favor but these can be rightfully termed as being opportunistic or fanatics but the main point is an act of union exist which the international world used to recognize Somalia as a single country after the union.Union:

1. (a) The State of Somaliland and the State of Somalia do hereby unite and shall forever remain united in a new, independent, democratic, unitary republic the name whereof shall the SOMALI REPUBLIC.

(b) The Capital of the Somali Republic shall be Mogadiscio.(Take note of the word ''FOREVER'')

3.DIFFERENCE IN POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES

This is one of the easiest routes a separatist movement is usually founded on this led to breakup of the USSR,a separatist movement simply needs to prove they have very contrasting political ideologies with the region they wish to separate from and wait to be recognized by other countries which share a common political ideology for instance SL might argue it's a communist state and wish to separate from Somalia a capitalist state this would see SL being recognized by other countries that are communist such as North Korea Lol this assumption is not true of course in reality the whole of Somalia regions believe in a capitalist ideology and mix of secular and sharia law as the basic political foundation so once again SL fails to differentiate itself from the rest of Somalia making the international world look at it as just another autonomous region in Somalia.

These are some of the most basic facts as to why SL has never been recognized by a single country since they self declared independence although this might hurt some people i can categorically tell you SL will never be recognized call me a ''hater'' or a ''pessimist'' but that is the simple unedited truth and is backed by SL consistently getting 00% recognition for a quarter century.

What Somali people need to realize is reconciliation is the best way forward Somalia is not Muqdishu or Bosaso alone it's a collection of great Somali cities such as Hargeysa,laascanod,Bosaso,Kismayo etc and most importantly our historic and ancient capital city Muqdishu for Somalia to come back to what it was it has to get back to it's roots that is a strong centralized country that was built on love,Somalinimo and unity and we prosper moving forward side by side.#OnePeople#OneReligion#OneCountry.

 

[BebsiBolice]

Separation is inevitable. I just hope its done as peacefully as Czechoslovakia did. If SL wants to go let them. I support SL independency.

Ethiopia will also crumble at some point, and there will be a lot of bloodshed there due to the oppression and atrocities committed by the ruling qolo. Ethiopia will crumble in our lifetime.

I honestly believe that if Somaliland breaks away so will other regions in Ethiopia, or that's what political scientists believe hence why no one is willing to give SL they're independence. SL independence could mean instability in East Africa and we need to make sure that it does not spill over to us. Somalia just needs get control of all the other regions and stop these semi autonomous states like Jubba, Benadir and Puntland.

I long for the day Ethiopia degenerate imagine getting back the lost Somali regions. Perhaps getting back SomaliWeyn could result in clan stability?

 

[BebsiBolice]

Barni it is Somalia sovereign we are talking, and remember that the people in Awdal region and Khaatumo state do not want to separate plus other subclass of Isaaq do not want this separation thing. We had to protect our land.

Sure. But we could always negotiate. Those regions in Sool and Sanag that wants the 5 pointing star can keep it. Negotiation is key.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

It is not up to them the IC said No, the case is closed 25 years ago

It dont matter landers are patient people im sure they would wait another 25 years. I hope you realise that its not gonna make the situation any better but of course you are to dumb to understand that.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Barni it is Somalia sovereign we are talking, and remember that the people in Awdal region and Khaatumo state do not want to separate plus other subclass of Isaaq do not want this separation thing. We had to protect our land.

Horta why are you lying its ramadan... i actually been to awdal region and have family there. They all support SL and the flags there are all SL flags stop making up stuff.

 

[Canuck]

It dont matter landers are patient people im sure they would wait another 25 years. I hope you realise that its not gonna make the situation any better but of course you are to dumb to understand that.

Is it your words or your fat friend dictating them to you?

 

[Zak Jingo]

I think it's dangerous to give SL their independence right now, too many regions will wanna follow through. But eventually give it to them. Don't understand why we should cling on to people that hate us for something we didn't do 30 years ago. Wallahi it's a shame that a country like Ethiopia has been so successful in dividing us. I also think it's hilarious Somalis are willingly choosing colonial borders when we were the only Africans fighting hard against the Europeans.

The people of Somalia, (and all the other semi autonomous states) don't care who they are governed by, as long as they are promised jobs, security etc. But in Somaliland, the officials want to force the people on a Somaliland vision, their views are mainly dictated by qabiil, and self interests.

 

[Bielsa]

I honestly believe that if Somaliland breaks away so will other regions in Ethiopia, or that's what political scientists believe hence why no one is willing to give SL they're independence. SL independence could mean instability in East Africa and we need to make sure that it does not spill over to us. Somalia just needs get control of all the other regions and stop these semi autonomous states like Jubba, Benadir and Puntland.

I long for the day Ethiopia degenerate imagine getting back the lost Somali regions. Perhaps getting back SomaliWeyn could result in clan stability?

Somaliweyn is dead and it won't be revived. Even if Somali Galbeed break away from Ethiopia they won't join Somalia due to the chaotic state its in. A strong stable Somalia maybe, but not this one.

I hate to sound like a Lander but Somalia need to get their house in order before we can even talk about unification.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

The people of Somalia, (and all the other semi autonomous states) don't care who they are governed by, as long as they are promised jobs, security etc. But in Somaliland, the officials want to force the people on a Somaliland vision, their views are mainly dictated by qabiil, and self interests.

Bro theres a generations of landers who never been born under the somalia flag its a lost cause sxb trust me. When i went to SL i said somalia and everyone had to correct each time that should you tell alot

 

[Canuck]

Horta why are you lying its ramadan... i actually been to awdal region and have family there. They all support SL and the flags there are all SL flags stop making up stuff.

The journalist that you put him in jail or the people of adal who only know Somalia national anthem or people in football stadium that killed for singing national anthem

 

[Bernie Madoff]

The journalist that you put him in jail or the people of adal who only know Somalia national anthem or people in football stadium that killed for singing national anthem

If you never been there and reading stuff online than you shouldnt be talking im sorry but i actually been there and people in boroma all support SL.

Like the last president was gudarbusi do you not realize SL is multi qabil country not just isaaq.