Somalia Teared Apart From Head To Body

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Persian Gulf rivalries threaten to tear fragile Somalia apart, report warns



By Paul SchemmJune 4 at 10:22 PMEmail the author
a new report by the International Crisis Group.

In June 2017, simmering tensions between Saudi Arabia and the UAE on one side and Qatar on the other burst into the open and a land, sea and air blockade was declared against Qatar by a Saudi-led bloc of countries. Somalia, under its new American-educated president, Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, declared his desire to remain neutral, but there was growing suspicion by the Saudis that Mogadishu was tilting toward Qatar and its Turkish allies.

Soon, according to the International Crisis Group report, Somalia’s notoriously factional politics started reflecting the regional split, with pro-Emirati and pro-Qatari groups in the parliament and government squaring off.

“Gulf rivalries — whether directly or indirectly — appear almost certain to have exacerbated divisions, hardening both the government’s and its rivals’ positions and complicating efforts to reach consensus,” said the report.

[The Persian Gulf crisis over Qatar, explained]

Even military units trained by different countries now appear to be at odds, noted the report.

“The UAE versus Qatar/Turkey rivalry also appears to be aggravating factionalism within the security forces. This dissension risks undermining the campaign against Al-Shabaab and could stoke future conflict, given that it often mirrors political divides,” it said.

The instability is also spreading to regions where local authorities accustomed to generous assistance from the UAE are opposed to the more pro-Qatari stance of the central government. And in the breakaway region of Somaliland, which has been functionally independent for the past 25 years, Turkish-mediated talks that appeared headed toward a rapprochement between the two halves of the country have stalled.

The announcement that UAE’s DP World would be developing Somaliland’s strategic Red Sea port of Berbera in March sparked a new war of words that makes the chances of any future deal between them more remote than ever.

Though historically and geographically close, the wealthy Arab states of the Persian Gulf had, in modern times, mostly ignored the African nations on the other side of the Red Sea. But as Saudi Arabia and the UAE began taking more responsibility for their own security, they adopted a more aggressive profile abroad.

The Gulf basically believes its survival and the survival of the Gulf States and their prosperity is dependent on them taking control of the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden,” said Rashid Abdi, ICG’s project director for the Horn of Africa.

The main theater of this conflict has been in Yemen, just across the water from Somalia, where Saudi Arabia and the UAE support the internationally recognized government, and Iran, their Shiite archrival, backs the Houthi rebel group.

While all the countries in the Horn of Africa have had to respond to the schism in the gulf, the reports warned that already fragile Somalia is easily the most vulnerable.

“If the country becomes a battleground for richer, more powerful states, and they and Somali factions pursue a form of zero-sum competition ill-suited to the country’s factious and multipolar politics, the bloodshed and discord that have long blighted Somalia risk taking an even darker turn,” the report concluded.
 

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We had a far better chance doing something when ignored, their asleep then and you don't have to run anything past their asses or make any of them agree which is impossible in politics. But thank your lucky stars it isn't the main theater of war, Yemen. If their doing that to Yemenis and they know brotherhood nimankani, it's their senses are developed to smell them out whatever face they come in be in suits, charities, universities, business sector and they go wild.

Notice it said 'aggressive' policy is being taken, they don't even talk to them, they know their idealogy and they know they will just lie or tone it down and work back up somewhere else.

Their whole idealogy is about operating undetected lol. Go read it. It's internal attacks and it's strategically placed where their attacking MIND controlling institutions, media, business sector big time to make it the richest boy on the block and send a message on the ground, if you aint brotherhood approved you aint ever winning the presidency.
 

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Somalis need to wake up and listen to people word. If their saying aggressive, look over to yemen and see what they mean, and then look at yourself and wonder is it worth it. If they are prepared to do that to yemen, their next door neighbor and lots of history and friendship, what the hell you think they will do to you?

The saudis have a right to protect their interests, their clientele can't return and say, sorry we can't pass these waters due to conflicts or threats of conflict or political battles and misunderstandings between you and the nation running this place. Your asking them to be choked by the yemen and somalia side, noone enters and noone leaves basically.

Then go tell MBS when the clientele say sorry but we gonna have to use IRAN channel and his the big boy there, sanctions lifted for the world energy needs, qatar just switches to that side, iran starts to enjoy leverage on the lifeline to put saudis into a position. The rivalry is too deep for saudi to go to that side of the channel even though they can that's the scary thing, they can move automatically and work something out with iran and say listen lets keep politics and business separate, you eat, and i eat but no funny business, you dry up on the red sea.
 
For the love of God, summarize your rants. I feel like an English professor scouring over a ten page research paper
 

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It's not even a gulf interest as somalis say, ITS YOUR INTEREST you fool, you become like those silk road states uzbekistan and all those stans who lost the trade on it's land and became quiet dens of history.
 

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For the love of God, summarize your rants. I feel like an English professor scouring over a ten page research paper

I am trying to wake somalis up, their gonna turn into uzbekistan and all those stan countries of soviet union, go watch the documentaries on those silk road and the damage that happened to them when it stopped, they haven't recovered till today.
 
For the love of God, summarize your rants. I feel like an English professor scouring over a ten page research paper
I agree it's why i stopped reading his posts. It resembles a mad man rambling, you need to sometimes let other people reply to your posts @DR OSMAN.
 

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I agree it's why i stopped reading his posts. It resembles a mad man rambling, you need to sometimes let other people reply to your posts @DR OSMAN.

No sxb the truth is we couldn't even recover from light intense war, we aint recovering the guided missiles are placed in our hands by both sides of backers, when saudi jets come into mogadishu and target the places that will take u decades to recover from. When the Qataris and Turks respond to Bosaso and Kismayo and level it. It's true we aint winning in zero sum game, we need to put our clan crap aside, noone is walking out of this alive.

You can add hargeisa to it cause dubai has a strong hand there. Turks and Qataris are fuckin coming
 
I am trying to wake somalis up, their gonna turn into uzbekistan and all those stan countries of soviet union, go watch the documentaries on those silk road and the damage that happened to them when it stopped, they haven't recovered till today.

It's already happened, blame our low 60's iq. The damage is done, it's irreversible. We've been balkanized to mini clan states, making it easier for outsiders to control us. Let it go, sxb, Somalia is dead.
 

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A real war is what happening in syria and yemen, this isnt a war in somalia but just few boys throwing around ak 47 for their backers. Africans dont forgive and forget look at rwanda and how long it took to heal just from machetes, it will be worse if a yemeni and syria style war enters the playfield.
 
The title of your thread is more callous than the bit-part report by the ICG, who by the way have been confirmed as dishonhest,vile and damn right fraudulent. The ICG failed to report that the Foreign Policy victory Somalia struck over thr Arabs, a master stroke actually had it not been for the spineless backstabbing by the same pseudo-nations or mamul qabiil whatever you want to call yourselfs these days.

Let me set the record straight for you. We gained a cow we can milk nicely for as long as this crisis goes on.

Remember, Somalia isn't Yemen and the ordacity to Military antagonise us will be the death kneel for the Gulf so called nations. Your fear of foreigners is disgusting and you need to realise that in the history of Arabs they only time they ever sat foot on our soil was as Refugees or Traders.
 

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We aint russians or chinese or even arabs or europeans(world wars), these guys have had ups and downs and disasters with mongols and stuff, their used to it, africa isn't used to it and it will take decades if not more x 50 years or whatever it takes the arabs and their the closest in terms of handling things like this.
 

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The title of your thread is more callous than the bit-part report by the ICG, who by the way have been confirmed as dishonhest,vile and damn right fraudulent. The ICG failed to report that the Foreign Policy victory Somalia struck over thr Arabs, a master stroke actually had it not been for the spineless backstabbing by the same pseudo-nations or mamul qabiil whatever you want to call yourselfs these days.

Let me set the record straight for you. We gained a cow we can milk nicely for as long as this crisis goes on.

Remember, Somalia isn't Yemen and the ordacity to Military antagonise us will be the death kneel for the Gulf so called nations. Your fear of foreigners is disgusting and you need to realise that in the history of Arabs they only time they ever sat foot on our soil was as Refugees or Traders.

The arabs have been thru disasters read their history and the invaders, they have huge death toll to prove it and if takes them long to recover africa will take far longer. Europeans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, the Turks and Arabs, these guys are used to this stuff. Go read their history, they have a stronger threshold to handle it, you simply don't. Even the indians can handle it and have had disasters from alexander the great, the arabs, and so many invaders.
 
The arabs have been thru disasters read their history and the invaders, they have huge death toll to prove it and if takes them long to recover africa will take far longer. Europeans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, the Turks and Arabs, these guys are used to this stuff. Go read their history, they have a stronger threshold to handle it, you simply don't. Even the indians can handle it and have had disasters from alexander the great, the arabs, and so many invaders.

You think very highly of your ethnic group :nvjpqts:
 

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If we want to play zero sum game, it won't be now but maybe 100 years after excursions overseas and slowly building up a threshold, it won't happen over night. Somalia will need to be a very peaceful nation for a long time, you can't handle disasters, don't act brave or it wouldn't take you 30 years to recover over a few ak 47. Go watch the mongol invasion of Russia or Baghdad, were talking mountains of skulls and towns all burned to the ground similar to syria today. They still laughing and rebuilding, tis stuff takes centuries to build up and u dont have experience on how to recover cause U NEVER BEEN THERE.
 

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You think very highly of your ethnic group :nvjpqts:

I know their strengths and weakness, I mean look at that continent, it has never been a major war there, nothing compared to history and look the recovery rate and how slow it is. There nothing admitting your weakness, you just conceal it by not exposing it.
 

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Hawiyes have the best recovery rates from war, followed by darod, then rahanwayn, then isaaq last. The threshold is far higher in hawiye, but it's nothing on the scale of other nations or empires but a scaling among themselves. Among the hawiye the threshold would be habar gedir hands down. Among darod it will be Majerten nowadays but dhulbahantes have taken big losses in the past, but have softened.

Abgal rate aint good to handle it cause it aint them dying in mogadishu they live in the north of mogadishu and it aint no different to bosaso or garowe. War aint only about winning, there is another side to it, how quick u can let it go and recover for a greater good. Isaaq are useless and at the bottom and cry babies. HG can, MJ can let things be if their isnt some cuqdad filled hand from mogadishu hence galkayo ceasefire.
 
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Let's keep the MOG clans out of it and no wonder they say for any peace in somalia it needs to be done in galkayo, they can fight and let it go, mog boys fight and dont let it go, and the isaaq cry and still want it go on IF THEY CAN. We cant get peace in somalia because of two cuqdad filled centralist and secessionsts united on a common enemy federalists. They don't know when to let it go like galkayo did in 93 till today untill their filthy hand gets in there.

For any truly lasting peace in Somalia let it be done by those who know peace and war and how to move on and keep the clans who don't out of it.
 

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@AarLibaax you know what's funny? whatever u do today and when u die, u could wake up in the same place you worked against and back to square one, that's the scariest thing hence why I want to increase the likilhood of a good start anywhere in the world, well if I could anyways. Why I say that is, sleep is to easy and where we are doesnt look that easy. I mean honestly think about it, if everything u see is confusion and difficult, how can it end in ease and sleep? that's why I don't put my odds on that.
 
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