Somalia Vs Ethiopia

[AussieHustler]

Let me rewind time back to the late 1980’s when both Somalia’s and Ethiopia’s dictators were overthrown. In Ethiopia’s case, Tigrinyan militia from the TPLF led by Meles Zenawe deposed Mengistu Haile Mariam an Amharic dictator. Mengistu left Adisababa intact and fled to Zimbabwe. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church intervened and established a reconciliation process between the warring Christian Orthodox ethnicities and in particular the Tigrinyans and the Amharic people. A functioning federalism with a strong central government was established. Ethiopia is now on the road of peaceful coexistence and prosperity except the Muslim areas where they have to fight between themselves and everyone else. But the central government maintains the unity via the carrot and stick. Generally speaking, Ethiopia is now the envy of many African countries and in particular Somalia.

What went wrong in Somalia? If Somalis were Orthodox Christians, would we have avoided this self destruction?

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

If Somalis were Orthodox Christians, would we have avoided this self destruction?

Just stop right there.

 

[Agent 47]

Let me rewind time back to the late 1980’s when both Somalia’s and Ethiopia’s dictators were overthrown. In Ethiopia’s case, Tigrinyan militia from the TPLF led by Meles Zenawe deposed Mengistu Haile Mariam an Amharic dictator. Mengistu left Adisababa intact and fled to Zimbabwe. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church intervened and established a reconciliation process between the warring Christian Orthodox ethnicities and in particular the Tigrinyans and the Amharic people. A functioning federalism with a strong central government was established. Ethiopia is now on the road of peaceful coexistence and prosperity except the Muslim areas where they have to fight between themselves and everyone else. But the central government maintains the unity via the carrot and stick. Generally speaking, Ethiopia is now the envy of many African countries and in particular Somalia.

What went wrong in Somalia? If Somalis were Orthodox Christians, would we have avoided this self destruction?

And the tigrey who overthrew the dictator were armed by the Somali dictator.

 

[AussieHustler]

Just stop right there.

Merchant

Why “stop there”?

 

[Agent 47]

Let me rewind time back to the late 1980’s when both Somalia’s and Ethiopia’s dictators were overthrown. In Ethiopia’s case, Tigrinyan militia from the TPLF led by Meles Zenawe deposed Mengistu Haile Mariam an Amharic dictator. Mengistu left Adisababa intact and fled to Zimbabwe. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church intervened and established a reconciliation process between the warring Christian Orthodox ethnicities and in particular the Tigrinyans and the Amharic people. A functioning federalism with a strong central government was established. Ethiopia is now on the road of peaceful coexistence and prosperity except the Muslim areas where they have to fight between themselves and everyone else. But the central government maintains the unity via the carrot and stick. Generally speaking, Ethiopia is now the envy of many African countries and in particular Somalia.

What went wrong in Somalia? If Somalis were Orthodox Christians, would we have avoided this self destruction?

And Somalis never established reconciliation because of foreign meddling. And the Ethiopians have foreign Christian support while our so called brothers in Islam were working against us.

 

[AussieHustler]

And the tigrey who overthrew the dictator were armed by the Somali dictator.

Agent

That’s not the point, but thanks anyway.

And Somalis never established reconciliation because of foreign meddling. And the Ethiopians have foreign Christian support while our so called brothers in Islam were working against us.

Agent

Thanks that you agree that if we were Orthodox Christians, we would have reconciled.

 

[Agent 47]

Agent

That’s not the point, but thanks anyway.



Agent

Thanks that you agree that if we were Orthodox Christians, we would have reconciled.

Well that’s what the gaalo want us to think. We are Muslim because that is our faith. Not Muslim because we want to get close to Arabs or get their support in any situation. And thank God we are Muslim.

And what I mean by ‘what gaalo want us to think’ is that the gaalo would support only the ones who are in their religion, it’s trading your soul for their support.

 

[Agent 47]

My friend this world is a testing, especially the Muslims will be tested. God is testing how much we believe in God and if we will join the sheydan. The gaalo know everything, they believe God but they choose not to worship God because they’re sheydan.

 

[sanger]

The USC leadership chose to act like primates.

Everyone was against the government in 1991, even the MOD clans. But we still ended up this mess.

Of course their are other factors to the civil war. But those greedy self motivated bastards chose to fight for the sake of qabiil when we could have ushered in an era of peace and prosperity.

 

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

Somalia works well as 6 independent countries looking after their clan interests. Free trade and movement of people should be established like the EU, but this would be even better because everyone speaks the same language unlike the eu.

 

[Agent 47]

The USC leadership chose to act like primates.

Everyone was against the government in 1991, even the MOD clans. But we still ended up this mess.

Of course their are other factors to the civil war. But those greedy self motivated bastards chose to fight for the sake of qabiil when we could have ushered in an era of peace and prosperity.

 

[sanger]

What is this supposed to symbolise?

 

[Agent 47]

What is this supposed to symbolise?

Watch it

 

[sanger]

Watch it

I watched this ages ago.

But let me ask you again. How does this help your argument? What is your argument?

 

[Agent 47]

I watched this ages ago.

But let me ask you again. How does this help your argument? What is your argument?

You’re talking about USC opposing the government when USC captured kismaayo it was Morgan who was mooryan, who raped poor raxanweyn clan and the local population and stealing their animals. Maybe watch the interviews in the video where the poor raxanweyn people were asked who was the mooryans.

 

[fox]

Let me rewind time back to the late 1980’s when both Somalia’s and Ethiopia’s dictators were overthrown. In Ethiopia’s case, Tigrinyan militia from the TPLF led by Meles Zenawe deposed Mengistu Haile Mariam an Amharic dictator. Mengistu left Adisababa intact and fled to Zimbabwe. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church intervened and established a reconciliation process between the warring Christian Orthodox ethnicities and in particular the Tigrinyans and the Amharic people. A functioning federalism with a strong central government was established. Ethiopia is now on the road of peaceful coexistence and prosperity except the Muslim areas where they have to fight between themselves and everyone else. But the central government maintains the unity via the carrot and stick. Generally speaking, Ethiopia is now the envy of many African countries and in particular Somalia.

What went wrong in Somalia? If Somalis were Orthodox Christians, would we have avoided this self destruction?

Differences between Ethiopia and Somalia is that the civilians were armed in somalia and not in Ethiopia. When TPLF took over Ethiopia they didn't give out weapons but when USC invaded the army barracks they armed their fellow Hawiyes. Siaad did the same, before his downfall he gave out weapons to rival clans so he could stay in power. The civilians werent armed in Ethiopia but they were in Somalia that is why Ethiopia instantly recovered and somalia periled. I'll give you another example, the Egal disarmament convention 1993 disarmed the civilians in Somaliland and its been peaceful for 26 + years! The problem is armed civilians and foreign powers.

This wasn't genuine at all. You clearly tried to attack Islaam and you failed miserably!

 

[AussieHustler]

Differences between Ethiopia and Somalia is that the civilians were armed in somalia and not in Ethiopia. When TPLF took over Ethiopia they didn't give out weapons but when USC invaded the army barracks they armed their fellow Hawiyes. Siaad did the same, before his downfall he gave out weapons to rival clans so he could stay in power. The civilians werent armed in Ethiopia but they were in Somalia that is why Ethiopia instantly recovered and somalia periled. I'll give you another example, the Egal disarmament convention 1993 disarmed the civilians in Somaliland and its been peaceful for 26 + years! The problem is armed civilians and foreign powers.

This wasn't genuine at all. You clearly tried to attack Islaam and you failed miserably!

fox

First, there were similar different armed ethnic and clan militia in Ethiopia and most of them gave their approval to the new regime. Yes, I’ve mentioned above the army didn’t disintegrate like in Somalia and Mengistu’s decision to flee rather than mobilise resistance to the TPLF and their partners and fight then in the capital to the brink has saved Ethiopia not to descend into a recriminatory destruction. We all agree on that.

Now, since you injected religion, let me ask you, aren’t Somalis Muslims? Why hasn’t Islam influence them to reconcile? Isn’t the clan the supreme almighty and allah comes second? If not, how else could you explain this madness? The fact is if Somalis were christians, they would have believed more in that scripture than the tribal anarchy.

As for Egal (RIP), the defeated clan has accepted his governments terms. Unlike the many clans engaged in hostilities in the South, Somaliland’s fortune was to have a dominant big clan that could dictate “peace” to the smaller clans. That analogy has no relevance to topic at hand.

 

[fox]

fox

First, there were similar different armed ethnic and clan militia in Ethiopia and most of them gave their approval to the new regime. Yes, I’ve mentioned above the army didn’t disintegrate like in Somalia and Mengistu’s decision to flee rather than mobilise resistance to the TPLF and their partners and fight then in the capital to the brink has saved Ethiopia not to descend into a recriminatory destruction. We all agree on that.

Now, since you injected religion, let me ask you, aren’t Somalis Muslims? Why hasn’t Islam influence them to reconcile? Isn’t the clan the supreme almighty and allah comes second? If not, how else could you explain this madness? The fact is if Somalis were christians, they would have believed more in that scripture than the tribal anarchy.

As for Egal (RIP), the defeated clan has accepted his governments terms. Unlike the many clans engaged in hostilities in the South, Somaliland’s fortune was to have a dominant big clan that could dictate “peace” to the smaller clans. That analogy has no relevance to topic at hand.

I injected islaam? Stop being a snake it isnt entertaining.

Ethiopia is now on the road of peaceful coexistence and prosperity except the Muslim areas where they have to fight between themselves and everyone else. But the central government maintains the unity via the carrot and stick. Generally speaking, Ethiopia is now the envy of many African countries and in particular Somalia.

less than 50% of Oromos adhere to Islaam and you injected muslim into. stop being a snake! and dont bother bring up the minute singing jabhad (ONLF).

forget about militias for a sec, were the civilians in ethiopia armed to the extent somalis were? no. hence the instant recovery. somalia is a total different story and cant be compared to ethiopia.

I reject tribalism/superiority bs, its the way of the shaydaan. somalis dont adhere to islaam as it is. theres bloody grave shrines all over the somali speaking regions. you expect them to do shirk and not kill? theyre a lost bunch of jaahils and only Islaam can bring the somali speaking tribes together.

factors why somalia wont recover:
- geographical local
- foreign powers intervening
- stooges
- armed civilians

 

[.279]

Somalia works well as 6 independent countries looking after their clan interests. Free trade and movement of people should be established like the EU, but this would be even better because everyone speaks the same language unlike the eu.

This is bullshit cuz once those independent countries are established, subclans will start murdering one another. Unless there's a solution to tribalism don't ever expect anything to change.

 

[AussieHustler]

I injected islaam? Stop being a snake it isnt entertaining.

less than 50% of Oromos adhere to Islaam and you injected muslim into. stop being a snake! and dont bother bring up the minute singing jabhad (ONLF).

forget about militias for a sec, were the civilians in ethiopia armed to the extent somalis were? no. hence the instant recovery. somalia is a total different story and cant be compared to ethiopia.

I reject tribalism/superiority bs, its the way of the shaydaan. somalis dont adhere to islaam as it is. theres bloody grave shrines all over the somali speaking regions. you expect them to do shirk and not kill? theyre a lost bunch of jaahils and only Islaam can bring the somali speaking tribes together.

factors why somalia wont recover:
- geographical local
- foreign powers intervening
- stooges
- armed civilians

Fox

Sxb, it’s dishonesty that you are accusing the Sufis to be responsible for the carnage in Somalia. How about your fellow Salafis like Alshabaab, Xizbul Islam and militul Ibrahim? Given that you want to kill all the Suufis because of their “shirk” only indicates you accept that Islam is inherently a violent religion. No tolerance towards other sects. You are proposing a shift from a clan based anarchy to a sectarian one. Where have you been for the last 10 years? Alshabaab is already bombing to Smithers to all those Somalis they deem to be engaging in “shirk”? Will you fight for them against the “shirk” Sufis?