Translation your right@Starscream all you had to do is click on about in the home-page. I don't need to vouch for ACLED credentials they cover 60 countries across Africa and Asia.
Translation your right@Starscream all you had to do is click on about in the home-page. I don't need to vouch for ACLED credentials they cover 60 countries across Africa and Asia.
Translation your right
I read this alreadyOn 15 January, Somaliland’s forces attacked Buuhoodle and temporarily occupied part of the town. On 26 January, another attack on the town was repulsed. In these attacks, tanks and heavy artillery were used against the local civilian population. Many families were displaced, more than 20 combatants died on each side, about 30 civilians, mostly women and children, were killed and about 50 wounded and each side took prisoners - Markus Virgil Hoehne
Right from the horse mouth you can't turn down Hoehne the German Dhulbahante.
https://www.google.ae/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjXxuKznf_TAhWH0xQKHYscC0oQFggrMAE&url=http://riftvalley.net/download/file/fid/3719&usg=AFQjCNEbq3UAaJXwzfXJSawZyjknicbzgg&sig2=S-kmRxgGbicqxR5Eek35OQ
I read this already
The guy himself is using Somali websites as source although he mostly speaks facts you in your original post you neglected to mention like it said in the qoute sl were defeated after capturing small part and forced to retreat and then attacked couple more times and we're repulsed
I personally don't know how you fuckers got passed the frontline north of buhoodle but i think i know how it mainly consist of those dick suckers in widhwidh letting you attack buhoodle from east
Why are you lying look at your own qouteWhere does it say that they withdraw into area named Shangleh or something north of the town after taking 60 SSC captive and killing 20. Silanyo order em to go back into widhwidh and Qorilqud for the purpose of initiating peace talks. They left pro SL local militia and never stormed the town again. Buhodleh myth has been busted through and through, we can agree to that and the fact ACLED, Somali media, and Mr Hoehne all checked out.
Unanimous consensus from SCC, Puntland, Hiraan and Jubaland media outlets.
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http://allceegaag.com/2012/Jan 2012/ciidanka_somaliland_oo_saaka_waa.htm
https://horseedmedia.net/2012/01/15/ciidamada-somaliland-oo-buuhoodle-qabsaday/
https://www.hiiraan.com/news/2012/jan/wararka_maanta15-16585.htm
http://kismaayonews.com/2012/01/15/faahfaahin-dagaalkii-buuhoodle/
Your all over the place your own qoute contradicts everything you just said.On 15 January, Somaliland’s forces attacked Buuhoodle and temporarily occupied part of the town. On 26 January, another attack on the town was repulsed. In these attacks, tanks and heavy artillery were used against the local civilian population. Many families were displaced, more than 20 combatants died on each side, about 30 civilians, mostly women and children, were killed and about 50 wounded and each side took prisoners - Markus Virgil Hoehne
Again this is from your own source you providedWeerarka ay ciidamada Somaliland ku qaadeen Buuhoodle ayaa lagu tilmaamay mid ay xukuumadda Siilaanyo kaga hortagayso maamulka cusub ee lagaga dhawaaqay Taleex kaasi oon wali la shaacin magaciisa, madaxwaynaha iyo goleyaasha uu ka koobnaan doono.
The more things change the more they stay the same.Waxaa gubtay mid kamid ah kaarayaasha ay lahaayeen maamulka SSC. Lama oga khasaaraha dhabta ah ee soo gaaray ciidamadii Somaliland ee weeraray Buuhoodle, marka laga reebo askariga ay maydkiisa kaga carareen magaalada iyo mid kamid ah saraakiisha wadatay ciidamada Somaliland oo ka soo jeeda deegaanka Buuhoodle oo asagana nolol lagu qabtay.
Get this through your skull me the German guy and the un report are talking about the same event which was around 2010-11 your somali source talks about 2012 but in website like cegaag and kismayo talks about even then getting defeated these Small skermish and wasn't that important even point out the forces being from the same village where in 2010/11 groups consisted of none dhulos vs dhulos and largely consisted of thousands of militiaThe sources I presented complementing my main ALCED link which you didn't accept I am sticking to premise over Hoehne and cadoow news
Jan 15 2012
Somaliland forces are reported to have launched an attack against Buuhoodle town controlled by SSC militias in the early morning of 15/01. The Somaliland military attacked on two axis from Widh-Widh and Qorilugud and managed to quickly rout the SSC militias and take control of the town, capturing several vehicles, two tanks and arresting between 7 and 15 SSC members. Most SSC militias with their equipment however managed to evacuate the town and moved to other bases in Bali Cad and Dharkeyn-Genyo to the SE along the Ethiopian border. A large number of Buuhoodle residents escaped and crossed towards Ethiopian territory. Somaliland forces withdrew to Shangale around six kilometers north of the town after the attack. Pro-Somaliland Dhulbahante militias were said to have been left in Buuhoodle after the departure of Somaliland army units. The total number of casualties is not confirmed. There is no confirmation on what triggered this attack. The Somaliland Minister of Information indicated that SSC militias had in the two days prior to the attack shelled the Somaliland-controlled town of Widh-Widh where a Somaliland team had been dispatched to demobilize or integrate militias that had recently defected from the SSC. Others suggest that the attack had been planned by Somaliland and could be in relation to the Dhulbahante meeting in Taleex were participants are reported to have proposed the creation of an independent political entity collaborating with the TFG.
Jan 26
Local medias report that Somaliland armed forces fired several artillery rounds to the east of Buuhoodle town on 26/01. The shelling took place upon the arrival of the newly elected president of the Khatumo state Mr. Ahmed Karash. Despite the shelling the convoy of the President protected by 11 technicals proceeded to Buuhoodle. After his arrival in Buuhoodle Somaliland forces attacked the town. Casualties could not be established.
Feb 8
SCC militias and Somaliland army clashed heavily in the areas of Meygaagle and Sool-Joogto, around 25km N of Buuhoodle, on 08/02.The fighting was initiated by the SSC at about 04.30, when about 15 technicals supported by two tanks attacked the Somaliland Army positions in Meygaagle. SSC forces briefly took control of the positions and later withdrew two 4WD and a truck fitted with a ZSU 23 anti-aircraft artillery gun taken from Somaliland forces. After the attack Somaliland units from Maygaale Widh-Widh and Qorilugud and attacked the SSC forces south of Sool-Joogto at about 09.00. During the second round of fighting Somaliland reportedly captured four technicals from the SSC. Somaliland units also shelled the eastern side of Buuhoodle causing displacement of a significant number of people living in that area. Confirmed casualty figures are currently unavailable. Available information however indicate very high casualties with about 20 Somaliland and 20 SSC soldiers killed and up to 60 other SSC soldiers taken prisoners.
Hoehne skipped the last part he really did
At the end of the day SL occupied Buuhoodle and captured dozens of POW's
Don't wanna hear any of you nacnac or else more memorials will pop-out in Buhodle
@Starscream make time-line for clashes and fighting since 2010 it should be interesting
Get this through your skull me the German guy and the un report are talking about the same event which was around 2010-11 your somali source talks about 2012 but in website like cegaag and kismayo talks about even then getting defeated these Small skermish and wasn't that important even point out the forces being from the same village where in 2010/11 groups consisted of none dhulos vs dhulos and largely consisted of thousands of militia
You read the German guy book if he didn't write about it which he didn't then is insignificant the un report ignored these skermish for a reason.
Your first source is hard to prove true for the simple fact of the Somali articles are talking about event that happened in one day where the other talks about multiple events happening in different days and the most obvious difference is these articles suggest SL was defeated and retreated especially the one from cegaag and kismayo
Buhoodle in the past also fought Ethiopia 2010
Agree to disagree cause this back and fourth isn't going anywhere
Again your first source primarily talks about details in 2010/11 hence why it mentioned kalshaale and ssc this is hard to proof right because no video or article claim can back this source..
Let's make something clear, German gentlemen is no god, one can question his motives credentials and prejudice if any exist. He skipped a major event that was responsible for the highest number of casualties Khatumoo sustained and assigned the losses of that event to a failed attack on 26 January. UN report had stated the skirmish of late Jan and early February.
The political and security situation in the region remained tense. During the reporting period, clashes occasionally broke out between Somaliland forces and armed groups aligned to Khatuumo State, leading to numerous deaths and civilians casualties. On 26 January 2012, fighting reportedly broke out between Somaliland forces and the Dulbahante clan militias in a village near Buuhoodle, in Cayn. This resulted in several deaths and casualties. In February 2012, fighting flared up again between Somaliland forces and forces aligned to the Khatuumo administration near the border town of Buuhoodle, resulting in deaths and casualties among the civilian population and forcing some residents to flee - Shamsul Bari
They also come consistent with ACLED description of the event in Tukorag.
In further developments, on 4 June, militias loyal to Khatuumo State captured a checkpoint manned by Puntland security forces and occupied Tukaraq village. Elders and community leaders from both sides entered into negotiations on 12 June to avert a conflict between the two sides. On 16 June, Somaliland forces advanced into Tukaraq, forcing the Khatuumo militias to withdraw. After a few hours, however, Somaliland forces retreated to their base in Laascaanood, in the Sool region, after which Puntland army forces took control of Tukaraq. On 18 June, reports indicated that at least 120 security personnel from different sectors of Puntland security forces deserted and joined Khatuumo State militia. According to reports, the deserters were met and welcomed by members of the Khatuumo administration and residents in the area - Shamsul Bari
https://www.google.ae/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjVnMfpl4DUAhVEaxQKHYsBCGMQFggjMAA&url=http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session21/A.HRC.21.61_en.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF9-t-LTK8_z4G1jmdZD12bgJ10hw&sig2=Yue_KxO6NT38D2WrQ36YNQ
There you have it UN acknowledged Jan 26 and Feb 8 clashes, for unknown reasons Mr Hoehne skipped this important development and lumped the two events into one. There is very little space for questioning credibility of ACLED we both can agree to that. It is of A great importance to draw the distinction between the two different event.
2010-2011 skirmish in the areas adjusted to Kalashale and Buuhoodle that included Somaliland, SSC, local militias and Ethiopia.
Early 2012 Somaliland storming of Buuhoodle town and pulling back in 15 Jan followed by another failed attack on 26 Jan.
Other from the fact it was overlooked by 2012/13 UN report and Mr Hoehne, do you dispute that yes or no?
If not lets us move to the more complicated skirmishes of 2010-2011
buhoodle wasn't captured unless you can't tell the difference between part and fullNot correct they both talk about the same faction. Khatumo has been officially announced in Jan 12 2012, prior to that they called themselves SSC
Lol xaaglotosia is ssc when he defected ssc collapsed the un itself is calling them khatumo
and have been fighting on and off in the areas between Kalshale and Buhodle,
You just made that up kalshaale is a place deep into burco district is not even in buhoodle district nore has any fight happened since 2011
ACLED is fixated on SSC a little longer. German dude and ACLED had the same number of casualties, injured people and POW only difference is one described the situation in great details (including the capture of Buhodle)
Again you just made up all that up neither the German guy or the un mentioned buhoodle being Captured
Which would've been very important event at the time considering it was the main HQ where all the militia came from this detail would've
also easily overshadowed the body count your first source also flat out made shit up ex the german guy said the dead bodies were even where yours claimed 1 dead man dozens dead from the enemy
your first source is bs even wikipedia gives better fairytail
while the other provided distorted account with blurry/incomplete bits still acknowledging Buhodle being partly captured. It is the same reason why I don't cite UN report blank papers that lacks details and context all together.
why are you reaching? 1 talks about you fleeing your dead bodies after getting smacked 1 year later the other talks about some bs that you can't even proof . stop trying to connect these 2 events there not the same nore do they involve the same people
It is hard to determine and locate a single source because of so many media outlets working in full throttle,
nice cop out websites that aren't news sites all use source the german guy posted his source the un does the same even wikipedia gives source
but we all can agree Buhodle was indeed captured, wither Somaliland pulled out or run away that is entirely open for interpretation. Also you need to stop jamming 2011 and Kalshale every second, that is a different conflict over wells with many players.
buhoodle wasn't captured unless you can't tell the difference between part and full
Either way it's inevitable that Somaliland will have complete control of Buuhoodle, they have the resources and the means. The other side, not so much.
LOL the sovereignty who can't even defend their capital and doesn't have full control of the southern areas. Spare me the bullshit. If anything the only sovereignty that is displayed in Somali is from Somaliland and Puntland.All this macho bullshit tit-for-tat up North will seem like a matter of the past, when everytime some random kneegrow in Mogadishu assumes power and exercises its authority in you ruling arses up North as citizens of Somalia!
Anyway, my 2 cent on you guys, is too fight off Mogadishu before you talk about the imaginary sovereignty you guys have in the North, because there is none truth to be told, the only Sovereignty there is, is the one Called Somalia.
What legal case? The union between British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland was not even legally completed. British Somaliland was recognized in 1960 before even the Republic of Somalia was recognized by the international community.Buuhodle was captured this, or that way, maaaaaaaaaan all Fantasy!!
All this macho bullshit tit-for-tat up North will seem like a matter of the past, when everytime some random kneegrow in Mogadishu assumes power and exercises its authority in you ruling arses up North as citizens of Somalia!
Anyway, my 2 cent on you guys, is too fight off Mogadishu before you talk about the imaginary sovereignty you guys have in the North, because there is none truth to be told, the only Sovereignty there is, is the one Called Somalia, it may be weak but its growing stronger and still has legal rights over you guys, as in it owns you folks
What makes it worse is your the person claiming it was attacked and captured in 2011 hence why you tried to convince me with multiple source the first few pages. your back tracking now cause i proved you wrong the only problem is you failed to even back track the right wayPartly or fully it was still captured, sleep to that
learn the fucking difference one can mean you seating in one house and being chased out while the other could mean outright victory
Kalshale grazing area inside Buhodleh district between Qorilqud and Megagle Burco is that way
Show me it on a map then
German dude and ACLED body-count was the same 20 each side
Can you comprehend English?
Here you are claiming the body count is from 2011 why else would you agree with the German guy here
Buhodle town was not attacked by Somaliland before 2012 nice attempt to save face
Then here you are claiming it wasn't and buhoodle was never attacked before 2012
Im sorry to laugh at this but even u were skeptical about the donations that got eaten up in 1 dayjust last night we gathered $3.2 million announced by the madaxtooyada that will hopefully be truthful in giving this out to the drought areas.