Somaliland Opens 30-year-old Mass Graves From Civil War

[Steamdevolopment]

"For the past five years, Somaliland's War Crimes Investigation Commission has teamed up with a group of international forensic investigators to exhume the bodies.

They hope to gather enough evidence to bring the alleged perpetrators of war crimes to justice."

http://www.voanews.com/a/somaliland...16.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

@Duke of Bohol @waraabe @merka

 

[Steamdevolopment]

The only part I disagree with is this:

"Fights broke out between family members and police as relatives of the victims tried to block the opening of the grave in Berbera. The commission did not consult first with the families about the process."

The loved ones of the dead should not be paraded against their will. They must come first, picture in themselves would be sufficient.

That said, I think Somali society needs a peace and reconciliation process the likes of South Africa to come to terms with the atrocities that happened before AND after the civil war. Only then can we move forward

 

[Hemaal]

AUN


We shall never forget what happened, Somalilanders need to be taught the lives we lost and how the cancerous union led to the genocide of our people.

 

[Striker]

No one should take somaliland serious. they can't even hold an election and they are trying to investigate a crime which happened 26 years ago

How in the hell did this even happen ?

Lets not forget the habar vs habar war. How about you go investigate that war

 

[Striker]

AUN


We shall never forget what happened, Somalilanders need to be taught the lives we lost and how the cancerous union led to the genocide of our people.

Nacas stop acting like you guys where the only people who lost lives in civil war.

Everyone had it hard. Especially xamar

 

[Steamdevolopment]

AUN


We shall never forget what happened, Somalilanders need to be taught the lives we lost and how the cancerous union led to the genocide of our people.

I think that will only lead to another genocide. Peace comes only trough justice and reconciliation, all sides have lost loved ones to the treacherous war.

 

[Hemaal]

I think that will only lead to another genocide. Peace comes only trough justice and reconciliation.

There will be no reconciliation! I wish you would, this time around we're ready!

 

[Lord Flacko]

I think that will only lead to another genocide. Peace comes only trough justice and reconciliation, all sides have lost loved ones to the treacherous war.

Somaliland already has peace and the instability in parts of Somalia is not because of Landers so what exactly is your point?


You gotta stop being obsessed with Somaliland and Puntland tbh.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

There will be no reconciliation! I wish you would, this time around we're ready!

The war won't be because of Somalia but not addressing the internal splits in SL, once recognition becomes a reality. Right now, it functions under a status qou but once it goes from de-facto to internationally recognized many clans within won't take kindly to it nor will neighboring states.

Reconciliation is needed to address this and other issues involving possible independence.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Somaliland already has peace and the instability in parts of Somalia is not because of Landers so what exactly is your point?


You gotta stop being obsessed with Somaliland and Puntland tbh.

I never said that, did I? Your English reading comprehension is functioning poorly.

The South has it problem becomes it doesn't address youth unemployment and lack of political inclusion for minorities clans as well as massive corruption. Those have to be addressed.

I'm not obsessing over SL and Puntland like you're obsessing over big futoo women. Don't tell me what I can discuss, just because the arguments fail you, forvokset fjeldabe.


This was an interesting story and something more worthy of discussing than some black rapper

 

[Gambar]

There will be no reconciliation! I wish you would, this time around we're ready!

If you don't want reconciliation then what is the point of bringing it up? It is very traumatizing for those who's family members witnessed this stuff going on (like in the Al Jazeera documentary) so I understand if you don't want reconciliation, so then it should just be laid to rest and not talked about again. S/Land can move on, keep developing and having peace, but stop mentioning other Somalis as if we were the reason for the lives lost when everyone was affected all be it in different ways.

I think reconciliation is necessary so people can feel at peace and justice has been served. I really believe that if there was a truth and reconciliation commission like South Africa, it would be better as a whole for all the Somali territories (excluding Jabuuti) because then we'd make the right steps in letting go of clan grievances and hatred.

 

[Lord Flacko]

@Steamdevolopment you said

I think that will only lead to another genocide. Peace comes only trough justice and reconciliation, all sides have lost loved ones to the treacherous war.

Somaliland has peace and the "non-peace" in parts of Somalia is not due to Somaliland. So exactly what peace is it that you're alluding can only happen through justice and reconciliation?

You have to see the hypocrisy when you demand reconciliation from Somaliland while the Butcher of Hargeisa can freely walk around and hang out with Federal Government officials. Reconciliation at its core is a two street process but you're saying they're the ones that need to initiate and follow through with it.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

AUN


We shall never forget what happened, Somalilanders need to be taught the lives we lost and how the cancerous union led to the genocide of our people.

Qolomaad tahay?

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

No point taking war criminals from another qabiil to court when yours are presidential candidates.

The family of those lost their lives want to move on but the corrupt Somaliland administration wants to use their deaths as propaganda.

 

[Gambar]

The only part I disagree with is this:

"Fights broke out between family members and police as relatives of the victims tried to block the opening of the grave in Berbera. The commission did not consult first with the families about the process."

The loved ones of the dead should not be paraded against their will. They must come first, picture in themselves would be sufficient.

That said, I think Somali society needs a peace and reconciliation process the likes of South Africa to come to terms with the atrocities that happened before AND after the civil war. Only then can we move forward

I watched kill all but the crows (if I have that correct) and there were wadaado and family members who objected to mass graves being dug up, one woman's daughter fainted. The woman who was asked to pick out her husband's clothes was tied up while she was pregnant with her daughter; trauma can be passed on from family members even if they didn't experience it or wasn't alive at the time. My mother was pregnant with me when the bombs went off in Hargeisa and I can't watch stuff about it because it's extremely traumatizing. They should consult with the people first before they do such things. Those slaughtered didn't even get a proper burial and their surviving family's didn't like that they were dug up, they just wanted to lay them to rest. AUN to all the victims.

 

[Bohol]

My wise inabti @Gambar already said what needed to be said in this thread...

 

[Lixle]

No one should take somaliland serious. they can't even hold an election and they are trying to investigate a crime which happened 26 years ago

How in the hell did this even happen ?

Lets not forget the habar vs habar war. How about you go investigate that war

the habar vs habar war is an internal somaliland affair. if two brothers fight what business is it for a foreigner?

 

[Steamdevolopment]

@Steamdevolopment you said


Somaliland has peace and the "non-peace" in parts of Somalia is not due to Somaliland. So exactly what peace is it that you're alluding can only happen through justice and reconciliation?

You have to see the hypocrisy when you demand reconciliation from Somaliland while the Butcher of Hargeisa can freely walk around and hang out with Federal Government officials. Reconciliation at its core is a two street process but you're saying they're the ones that need to initiate and follow through with it.

Somaliland has a status qou and tensions within it's own borders though a lot less than Somalia. The peace I'm describing is one more long-term stable phase, where an agreement between the South and SL can be discussed for border delimitation and issue of minority clans, who do want to be a part of an independent SL state, cut off from Somalia. Settling issues such as that will cause long-term peace, and not just a short-term status qou. Reconciliation is needed to bring closer to the families who have lost and admission of fault from the Somali state to the people affected by the atrocities, and it reduces future tensions and potential war to.

On the latter point, I have never said that SL needs to initiate but that we need a collective truth and reconciliation committee such as South Africa, don't put words in my mouth just because they'd be more convenient for you. Morgan walking freely is what happens when neither side will meet for reconciliation efforts, and the true hypocrisy is that the war-criminal muse bihi is not only walking freely but is allowed to run for President of SL and expected to win. It is as you said, a two-way street and both sides must hold their criminals accountable.

 

[Assata]

if two brothers fight what business is it for a foreigner?

Oh how low they've fallen...

 

[waraabe]

Somaliland has a status qou and tensions within it's own borders though a lot less than Somalia. The peace I'm describing is one more long-term stable phase, where an agreement between the South and SL can be discussed for border delimitation and issue of minority clans, who do want to be a part of an independent SL state, cut off from Somalia. Settling issues such as that will cause long-term peace, and not just a short-term status qou. Reconciliation is needed to bring closer to the families who have lost and admission of fault from the Somali state to the people affected by the atrocities, and it reduces future tensions and potential war to.

On the latter point, I have never said that SL needs to initiate but that we need a collective truth and reconciliation committee such as South Africa, don't put words in my mouth just because they'd be more convenient for you. Morgan walking freely is what happens when neither side will meet for reconciliation efforts, and the true hypocrisy is that the war-criminal muse bihi is not only walking freely but is allowed to run for President of SL and expected to win. It is as you said, a two-way street and both sides must hold their criminals accountable.

can you please bring the evidence that muuse biixi is a war criminal?