Somaliland steps up push for international recognition with threats of war

[Saalax Bidaar]

Possibly, yes but look at the South Sudan situation where they fought a horrible war and the international community was pressured and put pressure on both parties.

Maybe this is the new approach for Somaliland, peace has not been working out so far.

Wrong
South Sudan has oil and is non Muslim region in a Muslim majority country.

Had South Sudan been a Muslim with no resources, West wouldn’t care how many poor bastards died

Somaliland has nothing going for it besides “peace” . Not good enough

 

[Lordilord]

Apples and oranges. South sudan and Sudan are linguistically, ethnically and religiously completely different people. Ka xamar dagan iyo ka hargeysa dagan waa isku mid no matter how many times yall say otherwise. We'll see how this new aproach works out. Bonne chance

I've never really said we are different people, we are ethnically the same. Even if Somaliland get recognition it won't change the fact that we are Somalis and Somalilander would just be a nationality.

 

[xalimathe6]

I would rather Somaliland get recognition and separate tbh because the Somaliland vs Puntland vs Somalia whatever wars is just too much and is one of the reasons why Somalia cannot improve.

But the name Somaliland sounds hella cringey. Why can't they make it something like Djibouti did

 

[TheMadMullah]

I wonder what @Lordilord thinks when the investment he is talking about in the name of UAE, their foreign minister said not once but twice that they made the deal with Somalia Federal government and they respect the unity of Somalia lol

 

[Lordilord]

I would rather Somaliland get recognition tbh because the Somaliland vs Puntland vs Somalia whatever wars is just too much and is one of the reasons why Somalia cannot improve.

But the name Somaliland sounds hella cringey. Why can't they make it something like Djibouti did

Lol we both know Somaliland is not creative with its choice of name. If not Somaliland it would be Sobooty

 

[xalimathe6]

Lol we both know Somaliland is not creative with its choice of name. If not Somaliland it would be Sobooty

What's weird is most Somalilanders cant uplift their state if it doesn't include putting down Somalia and calling it a shithole, as if every Somali state isnt one

 

[Lordilord]

What'snweird is most Somalilanders cant uplift their state while putting down Somalia and calling it a shithole, as if every Somali state isnt one

I agree, it's not right to push down others to push your own agenda.

 

[Lordilord]

I wonder what @Lordilord thinks when the investment he is talking about in the name of UAE, their foreign minister said not once but twice that they made the deal with Somalia Federal government and they respect the unity of Somalia lol

Yikes, you actually believe that? Somalia protested not only DP World to the UN but to the Arab League saaxib. Over both the military base and the port deal. Absolutely nothing happened and both UN and Arab League dismissed it like nothing.

“Any agreement signed with DP World is null and void since it opposes the constitution, the rule of foreign investment in Somalia, and other rules of the country,” read the resolution, which was approved late on Monday and published by Somalia’s state new agency.

“DP World openly violated the independence and unity of Somalia and so DP World is banned from Somalia,” it said.

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[.279]

I've never really said we are different people, we are ethnically the same. Even if Somaliland get recognition it won't change the fact that we are Somalis and Somalilander would just be a nationality.

But the thing is south sudan had multiple reasons to be seperate while Somaliland literally has none other than we got bombed 30 years ago(not good enough) and that somalia is a mess.

The best thing for you to do would be to use the huge amount of leverage you've acquired over the last decades and flex it in negotiations with xamar. Talks between the 2 entities lead nowhere because one side sees ictiraaf as a non starter.
It's on the south to prove their competency first tho

 

[Lordilord]

But the thing is south sudan had multiple reasons to be seperate while Somaliland literally has none other than we got bombed 30 years ago(not good enough) and that somalia is a mess.

The best thing for you to do would be to use the huge amount of leverage you've acquired over the last decades and flex it in negotiations with xamar. Talks between the 2 entities lead nowhere because one side sees ictiraaf as a non starter.
It's one the south to prove their competency first tho

Agreed, it would be a waste to actually fall into such destructive ways. I don't think we would recover. Keep in mind that, every agreement between Somaliland and Somalia even when mediated and overlooked by Turks for example has been violated by Somalia.

This was however when Somaliland was politically weaker and had little leverage compared to now.

 

[TheMadMullah]

Yikes, you actually believe that? Somalia protested not only DP World to the UN but to the Arab League saaxib. Over both the military base and the port deal. Absolutely nothing happened and both UN and Arab League dismissed it like nothing.

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So why did anwar qarqash say that? Remember he is not any guy who spoke but the Foreign Minister

 

[Lordilord]

So why did anwar qarqash say that? Remember he is not any guy who spoke but the Foreign Minister

I don't know, to save face in front of the international community? He might have been talking about a deal with the previous government that is not accepted by the current one.

If that is the case then Somalia has shot themselves in the foot because the consensus today is that the Berbera port deal is done pretty much without Somalia's approval.

It's even worse with the military base deal, where it is clearly a violation of international law and the current arms-embargo, regardless it has gone through without the IC batting an eyelid.

 

[Lordilord]

The best thing for you to do would be to use the huge amount of leverage you've acquired over the last decades and flex it in negotiations with xamar.

Not even a decade but just from these past three years. Purely based on coincident too, not out of the best interest of Somaliland..

The central incident which has lead to all of this is the DP World and Djibouti incident, if not that then the current SL situation would have not changed much. This happened as a consequence of Djibouti and UAE beefing and this is almost like an economically political proxy war.

 

[Mercury]

Somaliland seems to be trying to leverage the international community by saying there will either be recognition or further instability in the region both onshore and offshore.









Politically these last years have been a huge success for Somaliland, attracting what has been believed not possible for an unlawful, unrecognized and outside of international law state/country(only possible because of Somalia's difficult situation). Somaliland's legal uncertainty and having having mere de-facto status is proving to be very difficult for them but seems to be shifting slightly for the better.

It took 25+ years to gain sizable investments and Somaliland has been focusing and prioritizing big picture projects that only might lead to recognition and as a result we have been seeing their neglect of overall development and infrastructure because this.

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This foreign minister is just begging for recognition by claiming there Will be a war IF recognition dont come

Thats bullshit IF hes so worried about a war than what about the countless people who died at tukaraq?

IF hes so caring about the people and country He would show it Talking is cheap

 

[SilentE1001]

Not even a decade but just from these past three years. Purely based on coincident too, not out of the best interest of Somaliland..

The central incident which has lead to all of this is the DP World and Djibouti incident, if not that then the current SL situation would have not changed much. This happened as a consequence of Djibouti and UAE beefing and this is almost like an economically political proxy war.

Bro don't argue there's only one reason for Somaliland and that's that we want to determine our own future what trying to do it together in an unfair partnership.

Doesn't matter if know one recognise us even for 100 years under the right leadership we can do well just believe in Allah and work on making the country prospourous and peaceful and make it a haven for everyone

 

[.279]

Not even a decade but just from these past three years. Purely based on coincident too, not out of the best interest of Somaliland..

The central incident which has lead to all of this is the DP World and Djibouti incident, if not that then the current SL situation would have not changed much. This happened as a consequence of Djibouti and UAE beefing and this is almost like an economically political proxy war.

Not really. Dp world and sland had already agreed to build a military base and work on the port prior to djibouti and dps breakup in feb 2018. That was one of 2 reasons why guelleh terminated the contract.

But we'll come out on top. Already won round 1 since they gave up and exhausted all their legal options.

 

[Lordilord]

No really. Dp world and sland had already agreed to build a military base and work on the port prior to djibouti and dps breakup in feb 2018. That was one of 2 reasons why guelleh terminated the contract.

But we'll come out on top. Already won round 1 since they gave up and exhausted all their legal options.

They probably knew beforehand that Djibouti would inevitably forcefully take back their port terminal and as a result to that made a deal with SL? Don't you think Berbera deal is the result of chain of events?

 

[Lordilord]

This foreign minister is just begging for recognition by claiming there Will be a war IF recognition dont come

Thats bullshit IF hes so worried about a war than what about the countless people who died at tukaraq?

IF hes so caring about the people and country He would show it Talking is cheap

I don't think he does care, it has come to this wierd situation where any military altercation with Somalia pays off.

-If Somaliland is affected badly then they will blame Somalia..

-If Somaliland gets the better end of the altercation then Somaliland will say they are just defending and yet again blame Somalia.

 

[.279]

They probably knew beforehand that Djibouti would inevitably forcefully take back their port terminal and as a result to that made a deal with SL? Don't you think?

Maybe since we were having problems with them for a min. They had planned to own every red sea/ indian ocean port to eliminate competition for their port( jebel ali) and sland was just one of them. They had aden, sland, bosasso, djibouti and recently got Eritrea( poor bastards lol). We slipped through their fingers and now the little goat fuckers are throwing tantrums.

 

[waraabe]

Maybe since we were having problems with them for a min. They had planned to own every red sea/ indian ocean port to eliminate competition for their port( jebel ali) and sland was just one of them. They had aden, sland, bosasso, djibouti and recently got Eritrea( poor bastards lol). We slipped through their fingers and now the little goat fuckers are throwing tantrums.

Sure