Somalis and the black / African identity

[ImanStan001]

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[ImanStan001]

@Shimbiris @Periplus give me your opinions please @CiiseMasiix @Xoxoxo

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[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Pan Africanism works In the west where Africans/black people are minority but it doesn’t work in Africa where tribalism comes first my advice is to work with other Africans but always look out for your own best group interests especially as Somalis

 

[Hamzza]

Pan-Africanism and Pan-Somalism on JSTOR

I. M. Lewis, Pan-Africanism and Pan-Somalism, The Journal of Modern African Studies, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Jun., 1963), pp. 147-161

www.jstor.org

 

[Nilotic]

That was very informative

 

[ImanStan001]

That was very informative

I was going to add more and edit but I cant be bothered in this moment In this

 

[Periplus]

I believe pan-Africanism back home is futile until African nations are comfortable economically.

The wealthier more nations become, the more educated populations become and the more comfortable they are with “globalisation”.

In the West as diaspora, I do see the benefits to having some ties to a larger African community. After all, strength in numbers.

 

[Lebron James]

That video is stupid, only Mogadishu was benefiting you think the entire country was like that ? Kkkkkkk we been gaajo way before the civil war don’t let this vids fool you

 

[Laagite]

That video is stupid, only Mogadishu was benefiting you think the entire country was like that ? Kkkkkkk we been gaajo way before the civil war don’t let this vids fool you

The "golden" age of Somalia 1980 is a quarter of Xamar

 

[ImanStan001]

I changed the title this ain’t about pan africanism but identity

 

[King Khufu]

Somalis are still tribalist.

 

[Nilotic]

Hasn't this topic (Somalia's racial identity) been done to death?

You are the result of an extremely old admixture event and are therefore distinct from both constituent components of your ancestries, but get lumped in with full SSA populations due to some shared physical traits.

Waa sidaas oo kale runtii

 

[reer]

I believe pan-Africanism back home is futile until African nations are comfortable economically.

The wealthier more nations become, the more educated populations become and the more comfortable they are with “globalisation”.

In the West as diaspora, I do see the benefits to having some ties to a larger African community. After all, strength in numbers.

That was very informative

pan africanism will never be something somalis will swallow because it is anti somaliweyn by leaning to ethiopia. and glorifies menelik and selassie (and to a smaller extent jomo kenyatta). somalis/hararis/arsi are the black sheep of sub saharan africa.

 

[ImanStan001]

Hasn't this topic (Somalia's racial identity) been done to death?

You are the result of an extremely old admixture event and are therefore distinct from both constituent components of your ancestries, but get lumped in with full SSA populations due to some shared physical traits.

Waa sidaas oo kale runtii

no this isn’t about genetics but history

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Northern Somalis (SL,Jabuuti,Hawd,Fafaan/Sitti & PL) are Arabs.I do not claim this madow identity

 

[Nilotic]

Northern Somalis (SL,Jabuuti,Hawd,Fafaan/Sitti & PL) are Arabs.I do not claim this madow identity

Fikrad ayaan hayaa... you can just claim Somali instead of Madow or Arab

 

[Shimbiris]

Hasn't this topic (Somalia's racial identity) been done to death?

You are the result of an extremely old admixture event and are therefore distinct from both constituent components of your ancestries, but get lumped in with full SSA populations due to some shared physical traits.

Waa sidaas oo kale runtii

If Somalis want a greater identity it's frankly right fucking there. It's not like we're utterly unique in our region. There's like a dozen different neighboring ethnic groups who speak languages related, sometimes quite closely, to ours who are like 70-90% genetically identical to us with whatever's left being the same basic components anyway. We're Horners. We do actually belong to our own historical culture and region that actually extended beyond the Horn and into northern Sudan and parts of Chad as well as what is now southern Egypt.

I remember some cadaan anthropologist saying that if you went from around the south of Upper Egypt down to Koonfur you'd basically see the same basic culture and people with just some noticeable regional variations and he's not wrong as Burton notes with the clothes alone:

The Tobe, or Abyssinian “Quarry,” is the general garment of Africa from Zayla to Bornou. In the Somali country it is a cotton sheet eight cubits long, and two breadths sewn together. An article of various uses, like the Highland plaid, it is worn in many ways; sometimes the right arm is bared; in cold weather the whole person is muffled up, and in summer it is allowed to full below the waist. Generally it is passed behind the back, rests upon the left shoulder, is carried forward over the breast, surrounds the body, and ends hanging on the left shoulder, where it displays a gaudy silk fringe of red and yellow. This is the man’s Tobe. The woman’s dress is of similar material, but differently worn: the edges are knotted generally over the right, sometimes over the left shoulder; it is girdled round the waist, below which hangs a lappet, which in cold weather can be brought like a hood over the head. Though highly becoming, and picturesque as the Roman toga, the Somali Tobe is by no means the most decorous of dresses: women in the towns often prefer the Arab costume,—a short-sleeved robe extending to the knee, and a Futah or loin-cloth underneath. -First footsteps in East Africa

Ja'alin Arabs of Sudan a century ago:

Dongolawi Arab a century ago:

People at the court of Sahle Selassie a century ago:

Somali nomad a century ago:

Even the bloody tents were the same and were spread southward by South-Cushites:

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We have a region, we have a greater culture. Somalis are really just an extension of the other peoples of Ethiopia who preserved some of the earlier genetics of the region more and got religiously and culturally quite influenced by Arabs but until recently still maintained lots more cultural similarities with a random Beta Israel than any Khaleeji. But it's too bad Horners all hate each other too much to really own this.

 

[Lebron James]

Northern Somalis (SL,Jabuuti,Hawd,Fafaan/Sitti & PL) are Arabs.I do not claim this madow identity

Ana carab

 

[Shimbiris]

@Nilotic

I'll get attacked by some of my brethren but, seriously, Somalis are basically just coastal Ethiopians, rofl. Somalis are what you get when you take a group like Oromos, remove some of the extra mixing with Omotics and Xabashis and just tack-on Islam and Arabian architectural and cultural influences but even as recently as the early 1900s Somalis were still believing in things like trials by fire and sacred trees and telling stories like the "Black Crow" while passing on cultural implements like this. Our culture is flat-out continuity with the rest of the Horn. Even the popular crops of Koonfur, contrary to what many hooyo mataalos probably think, aren't Bantu crops but from Central Ethiopia:

The Durra Complex in the Central Highlands of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Clarke Brooke, The Durra Complex in the Central Highlands of Ethiopia, Economic Botany, Vol. 12, No. 2 (Apr. - Jun., 1958), pp. 192-204

www.jstor.org

Not to mention they were the people we were mostly warring and trading with the most since time immemorial. Even despite the Muslim Vs. Christian and ethnic beef there were always busy trade routes connecting all of Ethiopia with Koonfur and Woqooyi going back centuries.