Somalis Are Not Inventive Society

[DR OSMAN]

@4head what do think creates an 'innovative' mind? what are some traits we need to instill in our culture and people? Is it a questioning mind? or is it 'testing mind'? or is a creativity mind that combines questioning and testing? what are some key attributes you think we need to kick off a brain growth in Somalia? Surely it cannot be universities, we have thousands who go to universities yet not a single one has produced anything in terms of invention or knowledge.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

@4head what do think creates an 'innovative' mind? what are some traits we need to instill in our culture and people? Is it a questioning mind? or is it 'testing mind'? or is a creativity mind that combines questioning and testing? what are some key attributes you think we need to kick off a brain growth in Somalia? Surely it cannot be universities, we have thousands who go to universities yet not a single one has produced anything in terms of invention or knowledge.

Somalia needs to pioritise education. Education in a few years creates skilled labours,managers and entrepreneurs. Education for subjects like Math, English or Science should be compulsory. All children must attend schools from the ages of 3/4 because some may start at 10 or 11 after they finish the Quran which wastes valuable years. Somalis need a competitve mindset, competition creates a better society.

 

[Tukraq]

Somalis are not naturally gifted to make inventions, their 'learners' they tend to read knowledge once it has been developed, you can observe this from how their language contains foreign words at a higher rate then other communities. Why is this? Can't you understand all you need to do is 'try' and 'test' something and observe the result? You won't even see them endeavouring in simple experimentation, they prefer to wait for another society to do it and then they learn it from a book.

You won't see a single Somali who will do even simple 'research' such as comparisons in their community. Compare rural and city diets, list down common diseases, break it down into 'age groups', gender groups, measure frequencies in each group. Test a family with one diet compared to another diet and report on how they fight off diseases, function at work.

We don't even know measurements of coastal, rural, city differences and who is healthier, intelligent, becuz they have different diets. City folks are pasta, rice, meat diet. Rural folks are mainly meat/milk diet, and coastal is a heavier fish diet. This is 3 different diet sources which should lead to different results if we set up metrics on intelligence, health, innovation.

We need to do 'innovation' test metrics on Somalis and you will see them 'fail' at a higher rate then other communities. For example give them a problem but no 'book' and you will see he can't think for himself which is critical in developing innovation because most inventions begin with no 'book' or anything to 'source' from.

Didn’t we create Apple Pay before Apple Pay?

 

[Tukraq]

Somalia needs to pioritise education. Education in a few years creates skilled labours,managers and entrepreneurs. Education for subjects like Math, English or Science should be compulsory. All children must attend schools from the ages of 3/4 because some may start at 10 or 11 after they finish the Quran which wastes valuable years. Somalis need a competitve mindset, competition creates a better society.

We’re talking about innovation here not education Europe is “educated” but not innovative at all in fact here in America it’s usually the dropouts that make all the ground breaking innovations

 

[Tukraq]

Somalis are fairly innovative it’s just they don’t put patents on stuff and can get their ideas stolen, our business usually show this tbh

 

[Ken Kaneki]

We’re talking about innovation here not education Europe is “educated” but not innovative at all in fact here in America it’s usually the dropouts that make all the ground breaking innovations

Who are those dropouts?

 

[Tukraq]

Who are those dropouts?

Gates, zuckerburg, Jobs literally all the big ones,
Here’s Elon saying college or even high school education is pretty much useless

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Gates, zuckerburg, Jobs literally all the big ones,
Here’s Elon saying college or even high school education is pretty much useless

A small bunch of people though. And all of those people listed are very smart. They've all gone to Ivy League universities.

 

[DR OSMAN]

A small bunch of people though. And all of those people listed are very smart. They've all gone to Ivy League universities.

Look at the rate of degree holders and compare how many create or innovate? very few. They are deemed knowledge economy, they are the 'labor' force only and that's all they seek to be not an innovative economy, that's a whole different story. Invention is the stage before it becomes Knowledge or in books and requires creativityness. Why u think innovators get rich? cause their short supply of them, where-as knowledge person with a degree lives a normal life if his lucky cause there is millions of them who can read a book and pass a test.

Your mixing knowledge with creating, huge difference my friend. Heaps of ppl can have knowledge and they do but not many people can create anything new beyond the scope of what they know. That's not a creator, their just knowledge people, waa waxgarad weeye ma aha qof hal abuur leh.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We need this kind of people in Africa.

This kid is demonstrating a 'pro-type' in small scale to convince investors to invest money into his innovation, that's how the west works also. It starts with a small pro-type demonstrated to investors who then invest into it and make it 'scale'. We need much more of these people not just in engineering but medicine, every field bringing protypes like that in forums for somalis who then bank roll it to scale it into production.

If we had lots of these type of people in our society, we would be a real global player. But all we have is millions of book worms who will live a mundane life at best because their not contributing nothing new to society.

 

[Ras]

Somalis are not naturally gifted to make inventions, their 'learners' they tend to read knowledge once it has been developed, you can observe this from how their language contains foreign words at a higher rate then other communities. Why is this? Can't you understand all you need to do is 'try' and 'test' something and observe the result? You won't even see them endeavouring in simple experimentation, they prefer to wait for another society to do it and then they learn it from a book.

You won't see a single Somali who will do even simple 'research' such as comparisons in their community. Compare rural and city diets, list down common diseases, break it down into 'age groups', gender groups, measure frequencies in each group. Test a family with one diet compared to another diet and report on how they fight off diseases, function at work.

We don't even know measurements of coastal, rural, city differences and who is healthier, intelligent, becuz they have different diets. City folks are pasta, rice, meat diet. Rural folks are mainly meat/milk diet, and coastal is a heavier fish diet. This is 3 different diet sources which should lead to different results if we set up metrics on intelligence, health, innovation.

We need to do 'innovation' test metrics on Somalis and you will see them 'fail' at a higher rate then other communities. For example give them a problem but no 'book' and you will see he can't think for himself which is critical in developing innovation because most inventions begin with no 'book' or anything to 'source' from.

All humans are born with innate curiosity but scientific research is a learned culture that takes time to develop.

We simply never had the time to raise up a bunch of scientists before the shtf in 1969.

The government during 1960-69 barely had its act together and our cities had a fraction of the population they had during the Kacaan era.

So not a lot of people were exposed to these new ideas and by the time it was possible; a "scientific socialist" government took over which ironically wasn't interested in prioritizing science or scientific education.

Remember that most of us weren't idle farmers that had the time to build telescopes or write books.

We were always running around as pastoralists trying to survive constantly.

We also weren't exposed to new ideas since we never had permanent settlements and the only books we carried was copies of the Quran and most of the time we didn't even have that so you'd expect us to keep scrolls of the Pythagoras theorem around?

Our only written language was the wadani language and using that to write up scientific theories would be seen as blasphemy and even if we did regardless it still would be hard to spread throughout pastoralists hundreds of miles from each other.

In large settlements there would've been secret societies of people trying to uncover nature's secrets... that's how science starts.

Unfortunately now that we have the opportunity to nurture scientist we're so behind that some of us find it discouraging to even bother with it.

Back in the day you could measure the water in a bathtub and you'd be labelled as a pioneering scientist.

However nowadays you need a PhD in all sorts of advanced fields to even get started.

Not that that's a barrier to entry but it just means we need more time.

 

[Seen su'aal]

Somalis are not naturally gifted to make inventions, their 'learners' they tend to read knowledge once it has been developed, you can observe this from how their language contains foreign words at a higher rate then other communities. Why is this?..

Language changes with migration. It could be that some words were lost after Arabs migrated to Somalia and people started using arabic words in place of the orginal Somali words. Since colonization and Somalis migrated to the west there's be an influx in English words in Somali. Some somalis in Somalia have white people names like Wilson and Humphry . Maybe Somalis did invent a lot of things for cultivation or camel herding on our own but changed their names to an Arabic one. No society goes with out inventing something because people have necessities, and necessity is the mother of invention

 

[4head]

Language changes with migration. It could be that some words were lost after Arabs migrated to Somalia and people started using arabic words in place of the orginal Somali words. Since colonization and Somalis migrated to the west there's be an influx in English words in Somali. Some somalis in Somalia have white people names like Wilson and Humphry . Maybe Somalis did invent a lot of things for cultivation or camel herding on our own but changed their names to an Arabic one. No society goes with out inventing something because people have necessities, and necessity is the mother of invention

How about aboriginal people? They barely had fire and tools to hunt lmao.

 

[Seen su'aal]

How about aboriginal people? They barely had fire and tools to hunt lmao.

If they didn't , which I highly doubt, then it wasn't necessary .

 

[4head]

If they didn't , which I highly doubt, then it wasn't necessary .

They were isolated from other humans for thousands and thousands of years. Europeans had exchanges with others, some Africans the same! The more you are isolated, the less you are advanced. Central Africa was less advanced than West African.

The abos, they lived like this for years, they were isolated without any modern invention.

 

[DR OSMAN]

They were isolated from other humans for thousands and thousands of years. Europeans had exchanges with others, some Africans the same! The more you are isolated, the less you are advanced. Central Africa was less advanced than West African.

The abos, they lived like this for years, they were isolated without any modern invention.

They must of been very isolated because they don't have metals in their culture, they didn't master metal but they understood 'fires' and how to use that. But all their tools are stones or made out of wood and sticks. They must of separated a long long time ago because they weren't exposed to metal age.

Every society had some sort of metal makers or castes among them and their weapons are clearly metal and they understand the process. But the next wave was Egyptian Era and we benefited a-lot in my opinion during this era. We learned numbering becauses numbers exist in our language even though it's not written in a script, even a real nomadic person can count in Somalia and do basic arimithetics. I remember my 'ayeeyo' was illerate like she couldnt read or write but she knew numbers and said bring 1 of this and 1 of that or 5 of this and 6 of that and basic arimithetic like substraction, addition, etc. Like she would say 2 tufax ii keen lakin hal iga reeb or something. She didn't now multiplication though nor division which must of been developed much later in the greek era when somalis lost contact with the rest of the world.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I remember my 'ayeeyo' and she never used her fingers or hands to demonstrate a number. She said it in our language and she knew exactly what quantity it meant unlike the aboriginal culture

Look they don't count. Minding their own business 30000 years ago

 

[DR OSMAN]

I love how he said the truth. We have a word for 1 but that's about IT at the 0:30 mark. Runta ragga waa ka nixisa i guess.

 

[4head]

They must of been very isolated because they don't have metals in their culture, they didn't master metal but they understood 'fires' and how to use that. But all their tools are stones or made out of wood and sticks. They must of separated a long long time ago because they weren't exposed to metal age.

Every society had some sort of metal makers or castes among them and their weapons are clearly metal and they understand the process. But the next wave was Egyptian Era and we benefited a-lot in my opinion during this era. We learned numbering becauses numbers exist in our language even though it's not written in a script, even a real nomadic person can count in Somalia and do basic arimithetics. I remember my 'ayeeyo' was illerate like she couldnt read or write but she knew numbers and said bring 1 of this and 1 of that or 5 of this and 6 of that and basic arimithetic like substraction, addition, etc. Like she would say 2 tufax ii keen lakin hal iga reeb or something. She didn't now multiplication though nor division which must of been developed much later in the greek era when somalis lost contact with the rest of the world.

Abos are in Australia since 60.000 years, since then they were isolated from the rest of us..Imagine being alone and you gotta survive! It's not easy and civilisation is sometimes..just a matter of luck. The Mesopotamians were the founders of civilisations, religions and structure (with the writing system, the first constitution, the use of animals). They knew the architecture and they knew everything that a civilisation should know! the Egyptians were the first Africans who had these basic civilisation skills.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Abos are in Australia since 60.000 years, since then they were isolated from the rest of us..Imagine being alone and you gotta survive! It's not easy and civilisation is sometimes..just a matter of luck. The Mesopotamians were the founders of civilisations, religions and structure (with the writing system, the first constitution, the use of animals). They knew the architecture and they knew everything that a civilisation should know! the Egyptians were the first Africans who had these basic civilisation skills.

The abo's are not the most primitive, because they have language, it gets even worse with the san bushmen who have clicks as a language so they must be alot older then the aboriginals, I haven't researched them in-depth, but I won't hold my breath.