Somalis are really disliked in Finland

[Fiivio]

Im glad that us somalis have dhiig and courage. Im not exaggerating when I say we changed the country. There we virtually no ajanabis here until we came and made it less racist by beating up cunsuris. We did not tolerate shit and that has helped us

 

[Keo]

Hi, new user here from finland

I sometimes lurk around here and just saw this so I had to respond. First I will tell you about the history of somalis here

In my honest opinion Finland is the hardest country in the west that somalis have settled.
There are many reasons why somalis are #1 hated group in Finland. I will listed them below.



Finland did not have sufficient amounts of immigrants or refugees before 80s. This is when small amount vietnamese refugees arrived and they were received well. Government helped and many viewed them somewhat positively. They still experienced huge amount of racism. Somalis first arrived in 1990, my father being in the first groups that arrived here. Somalis came from Soviet Union, now Russia because many somalis were students there and they accepted somali passports ( correct if Im wrong ). Somalis arriving in the 90s were educated and honest people.

What separates the finnish diaspora from others is that somalis were the first major group from subsaharan africa that came to the country and still are. On top of this we are also muslims. Cadaans had never seen a black person before. My dad used to tell that people shit themselves when they saw a somali, little bit exaggcerated but holds some truth. These people had only seen black people in the media. They were ignorant at first but quickly became raging racist


When somalis arrived, the country was experiencing the worst recession that had occured since WW2. Countless people were unemployed and they were looking for a spacegoat. Who else better than these newly arrived dark skinned people and other immigrants. Somalis were porthrayed negatively by media and wider society since day 1. For comparison imagine the negative rep somalis in minnesota have now due to trump. Now increase this by 100x fold and you have the rep that somalis have had here ( shit has improved but not a lot ). Somalis coming here were not poor people and when the cadaans saw us coming in the tv with good clothes on and with confidence, they did not see us as refugees but as leechers. Also in the beginning somalis and other asylum seekers were given a lot new stuff, TVs and other things. It was captured by media and people were enraged by this, the country was suffering from recession and these ”******s” got themselves new machines, which in turn increased anti-somali sentiments.

What I meant by that Finland was the hardest country settled by somalis is that other diasporas did not need to fight continuesly for survival. Somalis where beaten all the time and my own father has also fought racist many times. Somalis had a lot group fights with racist and skinheads. A lot of somalis were placed in one particular city Joensuu that had a lot racist skinheads that were known countrywide. My father said somalis had multiple fights daily with the skinheads. Police were also racist. My fathers friend was punched in the face in front of a cop and he didn’t do anything. The situation was very unbearable and somalis moved away from there at first opportunity.

Somalis moved in to the capital Helsinki but still experienced a lot of racism. One particular event comes to my mind. In the summer of 1997 somalis were playing football in Kontula, a suburb of the capital. While playing football, 100 skinheads armed with baseball bats, brass knuckles, bicycle chains etc attackted somalis who had lower numbers. Brawl ensued. My father was there but nothing major happened to him. Some of the skinheads were arrested but not all of them. Throughout the 90s and 2000s, somalis fought regularly with skinheads and other racist people. Somalis moved in packs as it was dangerous to be alone. You were guaranteed to get assaulted if skinheads saw you alone.It started to end in 2010s.

The system was also racist and somalis were not employed even though they met the criteria. Researchs have found that somali names have the lowest succes rate when applying for jobs.Somalis did jobs they were accepted i.e being bus drivers (men) and working as cleaners and in daycares(women). Roughly more than half of somalis work here. In particular men work and women stay home. This skewes the employment rate of somalis. Racism and inactivity of somalis due to benefits also affect the employment rate.
Low employment rate increases anti-somali sentiments.

It was also not only older generation that experienced racism. I experienced racism early on. I fought racists throughout my school years and my siblings have too.
I would come to school, called ****** and answer with a punch. Every somali kid, excluding younger generation( from 2002 onwards) has beaten up a racist here, you could not go through school here without being called ****** and other racist remarks.
Somalis were also scattered across the city. There were few areas that had sufficient number of somalis so when the kids went to school they were not alone. Still somalis were vastly outnumbered and only recently have somalis and other ajanabis started to account majority in some schools.

Open racism has died down. I live here in Helsinki and do not worry about being called ****** or other racist remarks. Still I have my eyes open. During ramadan a 18-year old somali boy was murdered by finns. He was going home, waiting for the train when two finns stabbed him to death. AUN to him. My dad recalls that a number of older generation have also died or have near death experiences in the hands of the finns. Due to this a lot of somalis moved away from here after they got their passports. I wager that from somalis that moved to UK, finnish passports holders were the majority when adjusted to the population here from Finland.

Racism nowadays is structural. People with foreign backrounds do not get accepted to universities even though you adjust them relative to the full population. Meaning that somalis and other ajanabis are vastly UNDERREPRESENT even when their population is adjusted to the native population. Im greatful for the education and healthcare, but thats it. I will move away when Im older to a English speaking country

Hope this helps to answer why somalis in particular are hated here in Finland. We were largest visible minority until recently when the number of arabs increased due to the refugee wave. There is still large amount of somalis here, 20 000 to be exact.

I agree with what you said. There was a lot of racist attacks on Somalis when Somalis first arrived. My father also came in 1990 from Russia. I was born in Jyväskylä but even when we moved to Helsinki we experienced a lot of racism. I knew a family from Kontula. One time we was visiting them and this racist guy with a knife was chasing me and my sister inside the flat. We ran to the elevator to escape him and luckily got inside the house - this was in 2005. In school you had to fight otherwise you would become a victim. I was sent to a school where other kids had behaviour problems because I was constantly involved in fights. I haven't been to Finland in 14 years so thanks for the information.

 

[Keo]

During ramadan a 18-year old somali boy was murdered by finns. He was going home, waiting for the train when two finns stabbed him to death. AUN to him.

AUN. I also remember when a Somali woman was pushed onto the train tracks by a racist guy and was killed by the train.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

@Apollo

you right

 

[Fiivio]

Wow that's tragic never knew nordics were that racist.

I agree with what you said. There was a lot of racist attacks on Somalis when Somalis first arrived. My father also came in 1990 from Russia. I was born in Jyväskylä but even when we moved to Helsinki we experienced a lot of racism. I knew a family from Kontula. One time we was visiting them and this racist guy with a knife was chasing me and my sister inside the flat. We ran to the elevator to escape him and luckily got inside the house - this was in 2005. In school you had to fight otherwise you would become a victim. I was sent to a school where other kids had behaviour problems because I was constantly involved in fights. I haven't been to Finland in 14 years so thanks for the information.

Moikka, a fellow finnish somali

I have had similar experiences as you have. I have been chased by racist multiple times but have luckily got away. In school, you had no choice but to defend yourself. Racist kids would taunt you, hit you and provoke you so you had no choice but to beat them. I was bullied and was involved in multiple fights. In the end I won.

A lot has changed since you have been away. The attitudes have changed a little bit and rarely do somalis get attacked physically. The area, kontula and other suburbs now host a lot somalis and ajanabis, making them majority in schools. You can walk safely there without worrying about racist attacks. The capital region is now much more international and you see more ajanabis. Rest of the country is still backwards but Helsinki is ok

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

Hi, new user here from finland

I sometimes lurk around here and just saw this so I had to respond. First I will tell you about the history of somalis here

In my honest opinion Finland is the hardest country in the west that somalis have settled.
There are many reasons why somalis are #1 hated group in Finland. I will listed them below.



Finland did not have sufficient amounts of immigrants or refugees before 80s. This is when small amount vietnamese refugees arrived and they were received well. Government helped and many viewed them somewhat positively. They still experienced huge amount of racism. Somalis first arrived in 1990, my father being in the first groups that arrived here. Somalis came from Soviet Union, now Russia because many somalis were students there and they accepted somali passports ( correct if Im wrong ). Somalis arriving in the 90s were educated and honest people.

What separates the finnish diaspora from others is that somalis were the first major group from subsaharan africa that came to the country and still are. On top of this we are also muslims. Cadaans had never seen a black person before. My dad used to tell that people shit themselves when they saw a somali, little bit exaggcerated but holds some truth. These people had only seen black people in the media. They were ignorant at first but quickly became raging racist


When somalis arrived, the country was experiencing the worst recession that had occured since WW2. Countless people were unemployed and they were looking for a spacegoat. Who else better than these newly arrived dark skinned people and other immigrants. Somalis were porthrayed negatively by media and wider society since day 1. For comparison imagine the negative rep somalis in minnesota have now due to trump. Now increase this by 100x fold and you have the rep that somalis have had here ( shit has improved but not a lot ). Somalis coming here were not poor people and when the cadaans saw us coming in the tv with good clothes on and with confidence, they did not see us as refugees but as leechers. Also in the beginning somalis and other asylum seekers were given a lot new stuff, TVs and other things. It was captured by media and people were enraged by this, the country was suffering from recession and these ”******s” got themselves new machines, which in turn increased anti-somali sentiments.

What I meant by that Finland was the hardest country settled by somalis is that other diasporas did not need to fight continuesly for survival. Somalis where beaten all the time and my own father has also fought racist many times. Somalis had a lot group fights with racist and skinheads. A lot of somalis were placed in one particular city Joensuu that had a lot racist skinheads that were known countrywide. My father said somalis had multiple fights daily with the skinheads. Police were also racist. My fathers friend was punched in the face in front of a cop and he didn’t do anything. The situation was very unbearable and somalis moved away from there at first opportunity.

Somalis moved in to the capital Helsinki but still experienced a lot of racism. One particular event comes to my mind. In the summer of 1997 somalis were playing football in Kontula, a suburb of the capital. While playing football, 100 skinheads armed with baseball bats, brass knuckles, bicycle chains etc attackted somalis who had lower numbers. Brawl ensued. My father was there but nothing major happened to him. Some of the skinheads were arrested but not all of them. Throughout the 90s and 2000s, somalis fought regularly with skinheads and other racist people. Somalis moved in packs as it was dangerous to be alone. You were guaranteed to get assaulted if skinheads saw you alone.It started to end in 2010s.

The system was also racist and somalis were not employed even though they met the criteria. Researchs have found that somali names have the lowest succes rate when applying for jobs.Somalis did jobs they were accepted i.e being bus drivers (men) and working as cleaners and in daycares(women). Roughly more than half of somalis work here. In particular men work and women stay home. This skewes the employment rate of somalis. Racism and inactivity of somalis due to benefits also affect the employment rate.
Low employment rate increases anti-somali sentiments.

It was also not only older generation that experienced racism. I experienced racism early on. I fought racists throughout my school years and my siblings have too.
I would come to school, called ****** and answer with a punch. Every somali kid, excluding younger generation( from 2002 onwards) has beaten up a racist here, you could not go through school here without being called ****** and other racist remarks.
Somalis were also scattered across the city. There were few areas that had sufficient number of somalis so when the kids went to school they were not alone. Still somalis were vastly outnumbered and only recently have somalis and other ajanabis started to account majority in some schools.

Open racism has died down. I live here in Helsinki and do not worry about being called ****** or other racist remarks. Still I have my eyes open. During ramadan a 18-year old somali boy was murdered by finns. He was going home, waiting for the train when two finns stabbed him to death. AUN to him. My dad recalls that a number of older generation have also died or have near death experiences in the hands of the finns. Due to this a lot of somalis moved away from here after they got their passports. I wager that from somalis that moved to UK, finnish passports holders were the majority when adjusted to the population here from Finland.

Racism nowadays is structural. People with foreign backrounds do not get accepted to universities even though you adjust them relative to the full population. Meaning that somalis and other ajanabis are vastly UNDERREPRESENT even when their population is adjusted to the native population. Im greatful for the education and healthcare, but thats it. I will move away when Im older to a English speaking country

Hope this helps to answer why somalis in particular are hated here in Finland. We were largest visible minority until recently when the number of arabs increased due to the refugee wave. There is still large amount of somalis here, 20 000 to be exact.

I knew the finns were racist but not this racist sad how somalis there went through this

 

[Caaro]

in finland

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

I wonder if the racism would be minimized if we didn’t come from a war zone

 

[Caaro]

I wonder if the racism would be minimized if we didn’t come from a war zone

no, not at all. Racism would be minimized if we were white and non-muslim though

 

[Fiivio]

in finland

Shocked but not surprised. Somalis are THE black ethnic group and thus become substitute for the n-word ( thats what they were implieying). When thinking about a black person, first to come to their mind is somali


We had elections last year and the workers party( left leaning) won by a small margin. The party that came in second is lead by a man that has specific hate for somalis. The party is called perussuomalaiset and they are filled with cunsuris. The leader, Jussi Halla-aho has said multiple derogatory things about somalis. Even public figures hate specifically us.

 

[Fiivio]

I knew the finns were racist but not this racist sad how somalis there went through this

A lot has changed, it used to be like this until we beat them into submission. Now I can walk freely at night without worrying about being attacked. Still there is a possibility of that happening. If you visit, you won’t probably encounter open racism atleast here in the capital

 

[Fiivio]

While I have given a bleak picture of the country there are some positives. The finnish school system is the best in the world and I am greatful for it. Healthcare is top notch. The country is not unknown anymore its globalising in a fast rate. I see multiple different ethnicities each day more and more. Finns have started to address racism more in key institutions. The country needs immigrants due to the low fertility rate so right now they are bettering the position that ajanabis and somalis have

 

[Cam]

Finns are langaab so they're taking it out on immigrants

 

[kickz]

@Apollo

you right

 

[HanWER]

Finland is not part of Scandinavia, only sweden, denmark, norway and iceland are so scandinavian somali stereotypes don’t work on us. But seriously its only Finland where the natives where this much racist. Other Scandinavian countries have much more immigrants and the countries where more connected to the outside world. Finland is also a country where this a large amount of poor cadaan people oo noolosha kadhacay. They are just like chavs in Uk

What was so appealing about finland for somalis to migrate there

 

[Bashi]

While I have given a bleak picture of the country there are some positives. The finnish school system is the best in the world and I am greatful for it. Healthcare is top notch. The country is not unknown anymore its globalising in a fast rate. I see multiple different ethnicities each day more and more. Finns have started to address racism more in key institutions. The country needs immigrants due to the low fertility rate so right now they are bettering the position that ajanabis and somalis have

How good-looking are finnish women? Do you guys get finnish women or mix with them?

 

[Nomoregames2019]

@Apollo I had no idea that ethnic minorities even existed in Finland. I thought that country was literally all white like Iceland due to its weather and location. Don't most modern day Finns have like Mongoloid DNA?.

 

[Aurelian]

I agree with what you said. There was a lot of racist attacks on Somalis when Somalis first arrived. My father also came in 1990 from Russia. I was born in Jyväskylä but even when we moved to Helsinki we experienced a lot of racism. I knew a family from Kontula. One time we was visiting them and this racist guy with a knife was chasing me and my sister inside the flat. We ran to the elevator to escape him and luckily got inside the house - this was in 2005. In school you had to fight otherwise you would become a victim. I was sent to a school where other kids had behaviour problems because I was constantly involved in fights. I haven't been to Finland in 14 years so thanks for the information.

Moikka, a fellow finnish somali

I have had similar experiences as you have. I have been chased by racist multiple times but have luckily got away. In school, you had no choice but to defend yourself. Racist kids would taunt you, hit you and provoke you so you had no choice but to beat them. I was bullied and was involved in multiple fights. In the end I won.

A lot has changed since you have been away. The attitudes have changed a little bit and rarely do somalis get attacked physically. The area, kontula and other suburbs now host a lot somalis and ajanabis, making them majority in schools. You can walk safely there without worrying about racist attacks. The capital region is now much more international and you see more ajanabis. Rest of the country is still backwards but Helsinki is ok

Bruh, it's looks like I lived in different place after reading your replies, in the school rarely the was a bullying, especially the bullying that related to race, maybe because there was a sizable immigrant student, Somalis, Estonians and other, Somalis didn't got any bullying they even were liked and you could see how Somalis influence on the other students in their words like wallahi dheh or wawaree and so on. Maybe the place and time plays a role in this.

 

[Abdisamad]

Imagine being born finnish, I don't care how successful the country is I could never live in that frozen wasteland.

 

[Fiivio]

Bruh, it's looks like I lived in different place after reading your replies, in the school rarely the was a bullying, especially the bullying that related to race, maybe because there was a sizable immigrant student, Somalis, Estonians and other, Somalis didn't got any bullying they even were liked and you could see how Somalis influence on the other students in their words like wallahi dheh or wawaree and so on. Maybe the place and time plays a role in this.

Time and place definetly plays a role. Where I lived (not anymore) there wasn’t alot of somalis or ajanabis in the schools. So me and my siblings had to fight for respect. This is what I mean by bullying, we were targeted because of who we are. This was in ala-aste, yläaste is a different story, it was much better, good times. People born in the 90s and living little bit away from somalis and ajanabis had a harder time.

Somalis have started to actually influence other people. People who are my brothers and sisters age have started to use somali words as slang and they think we are cool. Shit has changed for the better. There has been a major shift and Finland is like any other scandinavian country right now.