Somalis invented Coffee

[Yami]

bro the amount of history they steal and distort is insane other than this coffee thing theres way more to discover.

Feels like there’s a new thing they’re claiming every day it’s hard to keep up

 

[NidarNidar]

Feels like there’s a new thing they’re claiming every day it’s hard to keep up

First they came for the socialist , and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

 

[Three Moons]

First they came for the socialist , and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

Bro compared coffee glory to global massacres, genocides and holocausts.

 

[Yahya]

The blame for this can partly be put on Somali themsleves, we need more Somali historians writing books and collecting these sources but we simply aren't.

We need an archaeological department with 3d scanning technology. Who knows how many ruins lie hidden under our ground or what mysteries we may unravel. That's my number one goal.

 

[Khaemwaset]

We need an archaeological department with 3d scanning technology. Who knows how many ruins lie hidden under our ground or what mysteries we may unravel. That's my number one goal.

Somalis are one of thr few african Civilisations thag built with stone which is why there's so many ruins in the Peninsula. We need more archeology

 

[Khaemwaset]

Coffee was cultivated and planted by Somali agro tribes surrounding Harar. I remember reading a few passages on the area during the late 1800s that mentioned it a while back, can't find it now though. It continues to this day.

So it is plausible to say that Somalis discovered it and spread it to Yemen and the surounding Muslim regions.
Yemenis make it plainly known in their sources that the plant originated in the land of Zayla and Jabartiyyah and in the land of Sa'ad Din.

But it's equally correct to say Yemenis adopted it and mainstreamlined the coffee drinking culture to the rest of the world. So yeah it's part of their history and culture too and they played an important role in the story of Coffee.


And yes the Ethiopian coffee drinking and export is rather new , they didn't drink it and avoided. It was considered a conversion to Islam because their sworn enemies the Muslim Somalis drank it their, much like the camel meat prohibition. @The alchemist mentioned it before:


The first person to create a modern coffee company in the region to export it was a Galbeed Somali man. Touched a little bit on it in a different thread:

While i dont deny Yemenis played the biggest role in spreading the drink, the main argument was about the origin of coffee itself which many claim to be Habash although, as @Step a side pointed out with his maps, coffee production doesn't happen in habsha regions.

 

[Idilinaa]

While i dont deny Yemenis played the biggest role in spreading the drink, the main argument was about the origin of coffee itself which many claim to be Habash although, as @Step a side pointed out with his maps, coffee production doesn't happen in habsha regions.

They mean modern Ethiopia and they are not entirely wrong because what they mean is Galbeed and Harrarghe. It's not the same as historical Abyssinia or Habash regions which is something else entirely.

 

[Khaemwaset]

Niggas clown on AA's for a minority of them going around claiming to be Hebrews lakiin the real We are Kangz head ass niggas are Xabashi. The Amhara either steals from Muslim Somalis or Christian Tigrayans/Eritreans.

WE WUZ SABEANS
WE WUZZ ADALITES
WE CONQUERED KUSH
WE WUZZ AHMAD GUREY
WE WUZZ IFAT
WE WUZZ ADALITES

These mountain cave dwellers have done irredeemable damage to north east African history over the past century. Long established facts are now all hazy due to the propaganda campaign of the Abyssinian state.

 

[Three Moons]

We need an archaeological department with 3d scanning technology. Who knows how many ruins lie hidden under our ground or what mysteries we may unravel. That's my number one goal.

You have to go underwater. The ancient Somali coastline started much further into the current sea, just have a look at Hafun. That piece of land probably wasn’t a promontory, or as pronounced as its current form, 2000+ years in the past, since even Old Zayla that still flourished 500 years ago is currently submerged.

 

[Khaemwaset]

They mean modern Ethiopia and they are not entirely wrong because what they mean is Galbeed and Harrarghe. It's not the same as historical Abyssinia or Habash regions which is something else entirely.

This is also another argument many people use when you say Adal, Ifat and muslim lowland history isn't habasha and they answer "It's in ethiopia now they're part of our history"

Would you attribute the Byzantines or Hagia sofia to Turks? Of course not no historian would ever say Byzantines were Turkish but many contemporary writers say things like Adal was "Muslim Ethiopian" although that would've been considered an oxymoron.

 

[Idilinaa]

I think is important the clarrify the name Habash , because it has created some confusions and misconceptions and the casual association of it being made with non-Habash regions and modern Ethiopia.

Check this out:

It's alright. It's a common misconception, Arabic geographers generalized the name as they were re-applying the greek Aethopia to it. To them it was a regional name.

Here are researchers clarifying the name Xabash applied to the region and how Zayla was neither an Abyssinian or even a christian port. They are also calling out contemporary historians biased readings.

Conclusion:

Whats ironic is that if you look at the Awdal chronicles, it's clear that they did not see themselves or called themselves Xabash, but called the opposing Christians that name even the Futuh chronicle, in a lot of instances that name Xabash came to be a by-word for a slave amongst them as well and you see it used that way in the arabic documents.

It's reminiscent to how the name slave cames from Slavic people in the english language.

 

[Khaemwaset]

I think is important the clarrify the name Habash , because it has created some confusions and misconceptions

Check this out:

This is very obvious to any Historian however many will still distort history

 

[Idilinaa]

This is very obvious to any Historian however many will still distort history

There is no real deliberate distortions, people confuse stuff or get their facts twisted. It is no big deal and there is no need to paint some nefarious behavior around it either.

People learn more as they go along and make corrections along the way. Some details change but much of the overall story remains the same

 

[attash]

I got a question why is the city "kaffa" in ethiopia called that? does it have links to coffee? we need to solidify our claims on coffee how did we allow this hotepry to go on for so long.

According to tradition, Emir Nur ibn Mujahid went on a 12 year long campaign deep into Ethiopia until when he reached the western regions, he said "Kaffa!" which means "Enough!". The land he was in at the time became known as Kaffa.

 

[Riftvalley]

Coffee bean drinking culture seems ancient and was practices by numerous Cushitic and omotic societies as part of their religion and culture.

while we can say Somalis are responsible for introducing it to Yemen and then the rest of the world, I am not so sure about “inventing”?

Btw the coffee cultivators in Harar were sometimes banned by the Emir from leaving or travelling such was their importance.

 

[Khaemwaset]

Coffee bean drinking culture seems ancient and was practices by numerous Cushitic and omotic societies as part of their religion and culture.

while we can say Somalis are responsible for introducing it to Yemen and then the rest of the world, I am not so sure about “inventing”?

Somalis are first recorded culture that had coffee drinking, so we take the credit. I don't see anything regarding ancient cushites drinking coffee

 

[Riftvalley]

Somalis are first recorded culture that had coffee drinking, so we take the credit. I don't see anything regarding ancient cushites drinking coffee

I doubt it becomes a central feature in all those waaqist believe systems because they burrowed it from Somali Muslims in the Middle Ages. Even the Somali use of coffee in religious rituals seems to have been a continuation of pre Islamic times and customs.

 

[Khaemwaset]

I doubt it becomes a central feature in all those waaqist believe systems because they burrowed it from Somali Muslims in the Middle Ages. Even the Somali use of coffee in religious rituals seems to have been a continuation of pre Islamic times and customs.

Yes so the use of coffee is at least a lowlands Cushitic invention. But we can still attribute it to Somalis as we're the first recorded.

 

[NidarNidar]

WE WUZ SABEANS
WE WUZZ ADALITES
WE CONQUERED KUSH
WE WUZZ AHMAD GUREY
WE WUZZ IFAT
WE WUZZ ADALITES

These mountain cave dwellers have done irredeemable damage to north east African history over the past century. Long established facts are now all hazy due to the propaganda campaign of the Abyssinian state.

Their getting xooged by the Oromos I give them another 100 years before they are a minority.

 

[NidarNidar]

Coffee bean drinking culture seems ancient and was practices by numerous Cushitic and omotic societies as part of their religion and culture.

while we can say Somalis are responsible for introducing it to Yemen and then the rest of the world, I am not so sure about “inventing”?

Btw the coffee cultivators in Harar were sometimes banned by the Emir from leaving or travelling such was their importance.

Not just Omotics and Cushites but also people from South Sudan, it is also native there.