The ones i've seen online are terrible.
No but i can make one. I could also make one also of middle ages as well, as aside by side contrast. Add a page references to it.
Somalis Kingdoms and Sultanates?
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No but i can make one. I could also make one also of middle ages as well, as aside by side contrast. Add a page references to it.
Not many Somali clan chiefdoms have evolved considerably to being considered states/sultanates, apart from few; like for instance:majertenia and geledi which is more like a city state. Somalis lack historical integrity due to qabyaalad
No evidence of both even existing, but hypothetical fantastical clan empires are being invented into history for fkd purposes. Araweello is more real than ajuran and hiraab if we are going off conjectural evidence.
Lol Hiraab and especially Ajuran did exist
Majerteen didn't evolve out of a cheifdomship btw. It was part of a larger non-clanal sultanate which ecompassed all of hartis and that sultanate was a tributary vasal to Awdal but it fragmented in the early 1600s which is when it re-organized.
Geledi as well, which was one of the vassals and other surviving cities like Luuq much like Harar as well was connected to larger polity , they didn't evolve out of chieftainships.
Cheifdomships and single city states and seperate states were due to a collapse in the 1600-1700s that fragmented the region. Before this the whole region was broken into provinces governed by various emirs, naibs, vizers under a sultan
Hiraab did rule over Xamar, but Xamar was more or less a city state with a council under a titular leadership in the 1800s. It wasn't a wide teritory and/or a collection of towns under one leadership like Majerteen/Hobyo etc
and Ajuuran was a local nickname for taxing and administrating authorities, not much different to what Majerteen referred to their own urban admins as Saladiin's. Are we going to refer to a Saladiin sultanate and saladiin empire?
You can't fault Somalis for faulty research and representation by foreign orientalist writers.
And a big large sultanate that extended over the southern coast and into the interior reaching Hadiyah and with its commercial capital Mogadishu, was decribed by foreign visitors , in quite detail. But just like Awdal it wasn't a clan empire
Majerteen didn't evolve out of a cheifdomship btw. It was part of a larger non-clanal sultanate which ecompassed all of hartis and that sultanate was a tributary vasal to Awdal but it fragmented in the early 1600s which is when it re-organized.
Geledi as well, which was one of the vassals and other surviving cities like Luuq much like Harar as well was connected to larger polity , they didn't evolve out of chieftainships.
Cheifdomships and single city states and seperate states were due to a collapse in the 1600-1700s that fragmented the region.
Hiraab did rule over Xamar, but Xamar was more or less a city state with a council under a titular leadership in the 1800s. It wasn't a wide teritory and/or a collection of towns under one leadership like Majerteen/Hobyo etc
and Ajuuran was a local nickname for taxing and administrating authorities, not much different to what Majerteen referred to their own urban admins as Saladiin's. Are we going to refer to a Saladiin sultanate and saladiin empire?
You can't fault Somalis for faulty research and representation by foreign orientalist writers.
And a big large sultanate that extended over the southern coast and into the interior reaching Hadiyah and with its commercial capital Mogadishu, was decribed by foreign visitors , in quite detail. But just like Awdal it wasn't a clan empire
Habar Younis wrote something about a Sultanate on Wiki but I have never heard of such a thing. What are your thoughts on that?
Habr Yunis Sultanate - Wikipedia
Habar Younis wrote something about a Sultanate on Wiki but I have never heard of such a thing. What are your thoughts on that?
Habr Yunis Sultanate - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Sounds made up , it's probably written by a Somaliland nationalist that attempts to create secessionist grounds to argue from.
The only two real sultanates was hobyo & majerteen in the 1700s-1800s and (Warsangeli could losely fit into this)
Not the Geledis? So how did they defeat Ethiopia, extract tribute from Oman and became one of the most powerful polities in East Africa if they were just a city state?
Geledi was a powerful city state, that had the ability to extend it's political influence into the coast. It came from Geledi trying their best to gain a coastal outlet of their own and expand their markets for export, so in a way it could be seen as a sultanate but it was mainly headquartered in Afgooye.
Regular rural ogaden Somali clans defeated Ethiopia numerous times lool , not just geledi. Almost everyone even Luuq defeated them. Harar even did defeat them before disarming happened and the pre-emptive exit that left them unguarded
So something similar like the historical Republic of Venice, a city state that also had extended influence/control over parts of the Mediterranean with Venice at its main stronghold
Kinda, it extended control over in the interior trade routes and levied tribute and taxes from the coast. It had economic wealth from agricultural products and iron and cotton production which it used to expand it's influence and regional powers.
