Somalis need a cultural revolution

[Apollo]

Thousands of Somali's died from recent droughts and you want to teach them English?

Individualism
Liberty
Reason
Empiricism
Science
Liberal Democracy
Universalism
Progress
Toleration
Secularism

Embrace Westernization

 

[Lone Wanderer]

Somalis are a bunch of lost people.
We don’t have a strict culture,
We barely have any history because nothing was written down by our forefathers.
Some of thing we’re Arab, Some people think we are closer to injerlay xabashi.
All these xalimos want to be light skinned and bleach themselves. All the Farahs are trying be gangsters, our kinds don’t speak Somali, we barely name our children Somali names, people don’t like being Somali some claim Ethiopian, Kenyan, even Jamaican. Somalis don’t like hanging around with other Somalis, it’s like no one wants to be Somali anymore.

Wallhi this made me sad

 

[Ras]

Thousands of Somali's died from recent droughts and you want to teach them English?

Why bother appealing to emotions here? This isn't a class room debate.

English won't give us rain but it will help a Somali entrepreneur get information to start an irrigation equipment supply company.

It just open up more opportunities but that wasn't the point of the discussion on this thread either.

 

[YoungFarah]

Somalia needs a good national curriculum and free mandatory schooling for everyone up to highschool

 

[felloff]

Re-organising Somali society into one that is based on gobolnimo & a class system will definitely be a huge task, but if ever accomplished it will probably be the greatest achievement for Somalis. Insha'allah we all live to see the day when all Somalis are loyal to family & nation/state.

you can only be loyal to one thing

 

[felloff]

we need to indoctrinate our citizens for the betterment of our society

 

[Von]

we need to indoctrinate our citizens for the betterment of our society

I guess it starts with educating ourselves first since we are the ones with all the intellectual resources,

 

[felloff]

I guess it starts with educating ourselves first since we are the ones with all the intellectual resources,

we need to think somali buy somali bank somali basically hijack afrocentricism and adapt it to somalism

 

[Shimbiris]

You need to educate the people, especially those in badiyo. When you educate the people, they leave this thinking.

Not always true. The idiot I spoke of in this thread is about to get a Bachelors degree in Computer Science in about 5 weeks. A standard, modern and drone-ish education does little to form a critically thinking and well-rounded person. If we do educate future Somalis it needs to be different from the standard western way. Their educations need to be geared toward making them knowledge-seeking, critical-thinking folks. If they're not getting these qualities at home (90% won't), they need to be fostered at school. These types of early education styles help with that:

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But good luck making that catch-on in Somalia, I suppose. The predominant current education system across the developed and developing world is not about knowledge-seeking or anything like that. It has its roots in Prussia and existed there for the main purpose of creating viable factory workers who'd have the basic skills and knowledge required whilst also being used to a regimented environment where they had to follow instructions from authorities.

 

[Shimbiris]

We just need a society based on meritocracy.

In other words bring on capitalism

The cream will rise to the top and clans will lose influence over time.

Yeah, except Capitalism is not a meritocracy. It's really just about who beat who to owning enough Capital and who got lucky first with whatever hair-brained scheme anyone with middling intelligence could've devised. I come from a wealthy family that owns a lot of land back in the mama-land and guess what'll happen to us if Somalia goes full-on Capitalist decadency; 90% chance that we will remain wealthy and only grow wealthier, the same will be true for most of the other families that own a lot of assets. And the current poor, regardless of their ingenuity, hard work and wit will remain poor for generations with just somewhat better standards of living as our society eventually develops into the usual class structure capitalism creates and mostly solidifies into that state (meaning low to practically no upward social mobility).

We'll also eventually prop up a functioning but ultimately oligarchical government that responds almost entirely to the whims of the statistically insignificant rich in terms of population size just like in the West because, well, the rich will pay for those politicians' campaigns and make routine donations to their parties so it's only natural that they'll serve them. I don't know about you but I'd like to work toward leaving future generations something better than the shit-show they've built in the West. Don't be simple-minded and get all impressed by their skyscrapers, planned mars missions and slick move industries; the way their society functions is inherently fucked up and Humanity can do better.

 

[Ras]

Yeah, except Capitalism is not a meritocracy. It's really just about who beat who to owning enough Capital and who got lucky first with whatever hair-brained scheme anyone with middling intelligence could've devised. I come from a wealthy family that owns a lot of land back in the mama-land and guess what'll happen to us if Somalia goes full-on Capitalist decadency; 90% chance that we will remain wealthy and only grow wealthier, the same will be true for most of the other families that own a lot of assets. And the current poor, regardless of their ingenuity, hard work and wit will remain poor for generations with just somewhat better standards of living as our society eventually develops into the usual class structure capitalism creates and mostly solidifies into that state (meaning low to practically no upward social mobility).

We'll also eventually prop up a functioning but ultimately oligarchical government that responds almost entirely to the whims of the statistically insignificant rich in terms of population size just like in the West because, well, the rich will pay for those politicians' campaigns and make routine donations to their parties so it's only natural that they'll serve them. I don't know about you but I'd like to work toward leaving future generations something better than the shit-show they've built in the West. Don't be simple-minded and get all impressed by their skyscrapers, planned mars missions and slick move industries; the way their society functions is inherently fucked up and Humanity can do better.

Unfortunately there's never a perfect system but properly regulated capitalism (might be too much to ask for) could open up much more opportunities for those that would never have a chance under our current social setup.

All other economic systems would have clans use their weight against others for better treatment.

An individual from a small unknown clan would have to go through so much extra obstructions and nepotism when competing for any opportunity.

In a meritocracy you'll have the same issues but at a much smaller scale...which is the whole point.



Instead of anyone from a clan being promoted; you'll just have the offspring of the few families or individuals at the top.

Everyone else has to compete on merit.

Sure those at the top might have an unfair advantage but that's just their reward and the price of capitalism.

If you can come up with a different economic system that would also increase our standard of living in Somalia; I'll recommend you to the Nobel prize panel for economics.

Don't be simple-minded and get all impressed by their skyscrapers, planned mars missions and slick move industries; the way their society functions is inherently fucked up and Humanity can do better.

I'd have the above any day even if it comes with the economic inequality we see in the West.