@convincation I have seen people mention Karanle are haplogroup T, but still have not seen any of their results. A Murursade his sub clan is reer israfil sabti sub clan he is on FTD he is EV32.
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Something I've realized about Somali DNA in Ancestry tests.
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There’s a lot of theories regarding israfil not really being murusade. I’m in the process of convincing my cousin who’s forculus to take the test, if I get him to do it I’ll post his results here
@Cerberus ^I'm of Kenyan descent (non-Somali, Kalenjin to be specific). I took an ancestryDNA test and got 7% Ethiopia/Eritrea and 3% Somali in my results. I have no family from the horn, and doubt that the 3% is from a real Somali ancestor. However, a small number of my family/friends appear like people from the horn of Africa. My guess is that (minor) ancient cushitic ancestry is being detected, as I have seen Kalenjin results on ancestry with about 8% Ethiopia/Eritrea & Somali scores on average. Also, I was on an anthrogeneca forum the other day, looking at some Tutsi, Masai, and Kalenjin results. The Masai results had the highest Ethiopia/Somali scores (about 50%) and Kalenjin had the least (around 0-20%). We either absorbed some ancient cushitic group (ie Iraqw or Yaaku), or intermarried with tribes that already had cushitic admixture, a long time ago. The thing about Kalenjin people is that we are a very heterogenous group that has adopted/intermarried with neighboring tribes over the centuries (Masai, Kamba, Kisii, Kikuyu, etc.). So, you will find Kalenjin people that look Bantu, Nilotic, and sometimes Cushitic. It really depends on the clan & sub-tribe. Most major Kenyan tribes of Nilotic/Bantu origin have at least minor ancient cushitic ancestry. And that is probably why we get small Somali scores on dna tests.
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If that’s true, then the Murusade would be T and therefore Samaale would not be a real person as Murusade is Hawiye, so Hawiye wouldn’t be a real person either. Best bet would be just saying Murusade is either non-Hawiye or it’s full E-V32
What are they
You heard what the hawiye malaq @convincation say israfil sabti are not murusade but assimilate darood
Don’t talk on my reer abti naayaa curadki hawiye is too laandhere to assimilate othersYou heard what the hawiye malaq @convincation say israfil sabti are not murusade but assimilate darood
What are the israfil sabti then since u say they are not real murusade since one israfil sabti tested e-by8081
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I always wonder who the decendants of the harla are. I thought hawle and harla were the same but was told they were not. The harla seem to be a harari somali afar connected people who were one of the groups that fought along Ahmed gurey. I’ve thought of the so called hidden language people say the Madhimaan speak and how maybe it’s origins are an just an old Harari or afar language.
I found this interesting piece online. Copied and pasted some of it below.
“ Among the texts collected by the Dardortì branch, a new historical source has also been retrieved during the field mission29. It refers to the genealogy of the family and to their migration to Awsa, their territorial expansion in search of grazing and to the war arisen against the Awsa people. The text confirms that they dried the lake which in the time of their arrival occupied the region of Awsa, to farm30.
The lineage from the Ḥaralla tribe is well attested in this text: the name of the tribe is given in the two variants Ḥarallā and Ḥarla that in the text are reported by a certain Yūsuf, collector of the mosque of Šayḫ Ādam which is situated at the border of Yemen, on the seaport of Moḫā.
The eponymous founder of the clan, Ḥarallā, is said to have three brothers: all their children scattered between Awsa, Harar, and Berbera. Going back to the ancestors of the clan, a forefather of Ḥarallā, Dārūt, eponymous founder of the famous Somali tribe of the Darood, is said to be from Mecca in the text, and then to have moved to Zaylaʻ. His father was the well known Ismāʻīl b. Ibrāhīm al-Ǧabartī, from Zabīd, whose ancestors are believed to descend directly from the Banū Hašim and the Qurayš.
The Kabirto and the Dardortì, descendants of the Ḥarallā, seem to consider themselves ʻAfar and speak ʻAfar language, so it’s somehow surprising to see in their genealogy the presence of the ancestor of one of the major Somali clan. In the Chronicle of ʻAmdä Ṣəyon (14th century) the Ḥarlā are mentioned as an independent and sedentary population.
In the Futūḥ al-Habaša, many names of Ḥarlā’s clans are still understandable in ʻAfar and the group is always distinguished from the Somali, so it is possible to suppose that their integration in the Somali lineage is later than the 16th century (date of the redaction of the Futūḥ).”
Would be great to test these afar harla groups.
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