Study on Ancient East Africans, 41 individuals from Ancient Kenya/Tanzania

[madaxweyne]

@Apollo why are these guys more eurasian then us

 

[Apollo]

@Apollo why are these guys more eurasian then us

Because they are closer in time to the original migrants from North Africa/NE Sudan.

Same thing happened in Europe, the early Neolithic samples (Ötzi the Iceman for instance) are more Middle Eastern than samples closer to today (more European).

 

[Apollo]

@EDsomali,

One is E1b1b1a1a1b1; E-CTS3282.

This is E-V32.

Lab ID I8874, Calibrated years before present (cal BP) 3350-3180.

 

[World]

Because they are closer in time to the original migrants from North Africa/NE Sudan.

Same thing happened in Europe, the early Neolithic samples (Ötzi the Iceman for instance) are more Middle Eastern than samples closer to today (more European).

I think the ancestors of Southern Cushites left NE Sudan much earlier than the ancestors of Eastern Cushites.

 

[Apollo]

I think the ancestors of Southern Cushites left NE Sudan much earlier than the ancestors of Eastern Cushites.

What makes you say that?

Their primary paternal subclade E-M293 is only 5-6,000 years old and comes from the area of Eritrea (E-V1515 / E-CTS10880).

 

[911]

The Hamitic hypothesis was largely correct, even though it is so taboo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamites#Hamitic_hypothesis

The Hamitic Hypothesis doesn’t say that

 

[Apollo]

The Hamitic Hypothesis doesn’t say that

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[EDsomali]

@EDsomali,

One is E1b1b1a1a1b1; E-CTS3282.

This is E-V32.

Lab ID I8874, Calibrated years before present (cal BP) 3350-3180.

He also had an indigenous East African MT haplogroup (L3i2) that is also found in Somalis.

The dates line up pretty well.

He could have well be a proto-Somali man.

 

[Apollo]

He also had an indigenous East African MT haplogroup (L3i2).

I think most of the North African affinity in Cushites comes from E-M35. The first men who carried that subclade likely autosomally clustered like the Taforalt.

 

[911]

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The Hamitic Hypothesis claimed much more than this

 

[Apollo]

The Hamitic Hypothesis claimed much more than this

I know it was a bit too much, but they were on to something. I am not saying it was all true. Some of it was obviously exaggerated or fanciful..

 

[911]

I know it was a bit too much, but they were on to something. I am not saying it was all true. Some of it was obviously exaggerated or fanciful..

They tried to make it seem like Horn of Africans were the exact same racially as North Africans, and downplayed any differences between us.
Some even claimed we are not African at all

 

[Apollo]

They tried to make it seem like Horn of Africans were the exact same racially as North Africans, and downplayed any differences between us.
Some even claimed we are not African at all

It was bullshit to some extent, but it's still impressive they managed to theorize that without genetic data. If I were to be living in the pre-genetic era I would simply assume Horners are some kind of paleolithic ancient race localized to the Horn.

 

[911]

This is interesting. I wonder what these people looked like

 

[Apollo]

This is interesting. I wonder what these people looked like

Basically like Bejas or like ethnic Somalis. Not much has changed. They don't cluster that far away.

 

[World]

Basically like Bejas or like ethnic Somalis. Not much has changed. They don't cluster that far away.

I don't think so tbh, their African component was different. Roughly half Mota-related.

I think they would have looked slightly different.

 

[Apollo]

I don't think so tbh, their African component was different. Roughly half Mota-related.

I think they would have looked slightly different.

Probably a Shewa Oromo look if I really had to say.

Or..

The most Cushitic looking Tutsis like Paul Kagame are probably a relic phenotype of these Great Lakes Cushites.

The most Cushitic looking Maasais also look more like Paul Kagame.

 

[Factz]

Probably a Shewa Oromo look if I really had to say.

Or..

The most Cushitic looking Tutsis like Paul Kagame are probably a relic phenotype of these Great Lakes Cushites.

The most Cushitic looking Maasais also look more like Paul Kagame.

According to Greek travellers when they visited the Azanian coast, in Rhapta. They were tall reddish people. The Ethiopian highlanders are shorter with kinkier hair and have Omotic influence in their genepool.

Azanian lady collecting water from the well. You can see she is tall with a beautiful long hair. They probably resembled us the most.

 

[Apollo]

According to Greek travellers when they visited the Azanian coast, in Rhapta. They were tall reddish people. The Ethiopian highlanders are shorter with kinkier hair and have Omotic influence in their genepool.

Azanian lady collecting water from the well. You can see she is tall with a beautiful long hair. They probably resembled us the most.

So depressing that South Africa might steal this ancient Cushitic name.

 

[911]

So depressing that South Africa might steal this ancient Cushitic name.

Southern Africa used to be called Azania, no? It’s a greek word