The biggest difference between Farmaajo and Xasan Sheekh

Both are bad leaders. But at least Xasan Sheekh presidency comes with some kind of progress however small it may be, On the other hand during farmaajo's term there was no progress at all. Just regress. Everything became a shit show. Farmaajo must be the most incompetent leader in the world. I don't know how anyone could support him.
 
He is politically illiterate. His strong man rhetoric isolated Somalia and strained our relationships with the West and a lot of our traditional allies like Egypt. He is a hindrance to development, good riddance.
 
What progress has there been under either of them? Was Shabab defeated, was 1 man 1 vote held, did they do anything concrete that was of value? I don't get it :rudywhatever:
 
What progress has there been under either of them? Was Shabab defeated, was 1 man 1 vote held, did they do anything concrete that was of value? I don't get it :rudywhatever:
Defeating Shabaab isn’t the only criteria for development. Though I must admit Shabaab has regressed a little under the current admin.
 
Defeating Shabaab isn’t the only criteria for development. Though I must admit Shabaab has regressed a little under the current admin.
Ok, indulge me, what other criteria has been met? To me they are one and the same. It's just a continuation of Farmaajo with HSM copying whatever he did. We are right back to square one.
 
A lot of the things people credit HSM for (debt relief, arms embargo lifting, Turkish assistance) had their beginnings in Farmaajo's administration. That said, neither leader are great in any sense.
 
A lot of the things people credit HSM for (debt relief, arms embargo lifting, Turkish assistance) had their beginnings in Farmaajo's administration. That said, neither leader are great in any sense.
Debt relief started 2014 and Turkish - Somalia relations begun in 2011 under Sheikh Shariif.
 

hayran

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Farmaajo was absolutely out of his depth politically, no strategic vision, nor any xininyo. No surprise bringing back something that already failed is a doomed endeavour
 
Both are bad leaders. But at least Xasan Sheekh presidency comes with some kind of progress however small it may be, On the other hand during farmaajo's term there was no progress at all. Just regress. Everything became a shit show. Farmaajo must be the most incompetent leader in the world. I don't know how anyone could support him.
Diaspora kids without parents attached themselves to him because he was a “nationalist”.
 
Farmaajo a dhoqon who fought with everyone without understanding his own weak position. HSM slightly more politically astute but a tuug. Two cheeks of the same ass.
 

Aurelian

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Farmaajo a dhoqon who fought with everyone without understanding his own weak position. HSM slightly more politically astute but a tuug. Two cheeks of the same ass.
Yes. Farmaajo thought he had the same power as Barre, but could only control Mogdishu. HSM is more corrupt and brought much more incompetent ministers.
 

Pastoralist

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Debt relief started 2014 and Turkish - Somalia relations begun in 2011 under Sheikh Shariif.
There was no competent financial reform reform in the country under Hassan, Somalia needed requirements to achieve debt relief which the national hero beileh achieved.


OP:

going to list farmaajo’s achievements here, since people get so lost in the politics, that they’ll wake up and say the one who did the most did nothing.
•rebuilding the national museum, library, theatre, and stadium with NO FUNDS, just volunteer work from how much the people loved him.




•Creating a petroleum law which all FMS agreed to. Currently this would be impossible for
hassan.

•Arms embargo, debt relief, and getting us a UNSC seat. With farmaajo’s biggest opp to tell it, apegaal @geeljre49 denying it shows he has no credibility.


•Punishing corruption in Somalia within his government. With proof being somalia going down in the corruption index 2 spots during farmaajo, only for Hassan to bring us back to #1 2 years in a row since he gained presidency.

•Qatari trained NISA being quoted as a top 10 intelligence agency in Africa (Somalia’s first successful but now compromised deep state since the kacaan)

•Giving 300’000 Somali youth education materials and repossessing 24 private schools for profit, to make them more accessible to Somalis. aswell as training tens of thousands of teachers. Vowing to retake all private for profit ownership of schools in Somalia. SIMAD is one of these, which is one of the the many reasons him and Hassan aren’t in good terms.


•Bringing back all of Somalia’s historic monuments

•Somalia had no piracy under farmaajo, under Hassan it made it’s swift return. Reer PL, you decide what to do with that information.
 
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Pastoralist

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Getting thousands of Somali students Turkish scholarships, getting Somalia interpol training, getting rid of ghost soldiers which was the reason Afghanistan fell to taliban(which Hassan created to siphon SNA budget, kheyre and Farmaajo rid Somalia of this), baxnano which was welfare for thousands of underprivileged Somalis

farmaajo’s achievements are incredible to say the least. But he couldn’t achieve a lot of these without his talented PM and cabinet.

Hassan without the embezzling and puppet behaviour, would me much better, but those two things hold him back.
 
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Getting thousands of Somali students Turkish scholarships, getting Somalia interpol training, getting rid of ghost soldiers which was the reason Afghanistan fell to taliban(which Hassan created to siphon SNA budget, kheyre and Farmaajo rid Somalia of this), baxnano which was welfare for thousands of underprivileged Somalis

farmaajo’s achievements are incredible to say the least. But he couldn’t achieve a lot of these without his talented PM and cabinet.

Hassan without the embezzling and puppet behaviour, would me much better, but those two things hold him back.
Even the very SNA HSM used to wage his (failed) campaign against Al-Shabab was built by Farmaajo. I get the frustration some had over the lack of progress against Shabab but there is a good reason for that since Farmaajo was busy building the SNA from scratch which paid off to some extent (Danab, Gorgor). Meanwhile this fool HSM pissed away all that hard work and now hundreds of good soldiers have died, deserted, or neglected of salary.
 

IKHALIIL

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Even the very SNA HSM used to wage his (failed) campaign against Al-Shabab was built by Farmaajo. I get the frustration some had over the lack of progress against Shabab but there is a good reason for that since Farmaajo was busy building the SNA from scratch which paid off to some extent (Danab, Gorgor). Meanwhile this fool HSM pissed away all that hard work and now hundreds of good soldiers have died, deserted, or neglected of salary.
Hardwork kulaha 🤣, the only thing farmajo contributed was eritrean trained troops and it is well known what his intentions were for them starting from the .5 clans he intended to dominate them.
Soldiers are paid their salaries and captured deserters have to face military courts.
 

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