The black label.

[Odious Delirium]

what would i gain by pretending to be somali out of all people ?

That's literally what everyone who does this says and no one gains anything by pretending to be anything online.

The whole point is to troll/hate there already are plenty of people who have been caught for pretending to be somali online you should ask them or ask yourself why you do that.

Some people even want to be somali your probably one of them

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Phenotypes play a massive role in who people view as part of their group and out of it.
North africans are not at all Arab in blood compared to the sudanese but the average person will say otherwise. Simply because north africans are phenotypically like arabs whilst sudanese aren't for the most part.

North Africans do have Arab ancestry [Libyans and Tunisians carry the most Arab & Natufian ancestry in the Maghreb].

Don’t fall for the retarded Berber propaganda.

 

[kulane]

That's literally what everyone who does this says and no one gains anything by pretending to be anything online.

The whole point is to troll/hate there already are plenty of people who have been caught for pretending to be somali online you should ask them or ask yourself why you do that.

Some people even want to be somali your probably one of them

what would i gain by trolling somalis ? And lets be real who wants to be somali ?I mean even somalis don't want to be somalis.

 

[El Nino]

Mental gymnastics from online folks, the term simply refers to very darkskinned people with african like characteristics. You negroes with curly hair are not getting away from it kkkk

 

[TekNiKo]

Quick question, If Somalis are indeed 60% SSA through a group related to or are the ancestors of Nilotic peoples, why do many Somalis get offended with the black label?

Im not arguing pro or against. Personally I’m Somali first and don’t care too much for pan-Africanism or the black label. I’m mostly interested in the visceral dislike many Somalis feel when they’re mostly SSA anyway which is the definition of being ‘black’.

@Nilotic
@Odious Delirium
@Man with a garuun
@Abdisamad
@Shimbiris
@Yaraye
@Idrus
@Scipio Africanus
@Keep it a boqol
@El Nino
@Chase
@Chaseyourdreamzz
@World
@cooli3o
@Qeelbax

Black is a euro centric invented term, Somalis always were distinct from the Negroid stock. Read 19th century Somali poems and how they referred to the Madows.

 

[Khaem]

lets be honest, it has everything to do with somalis not seeing themselves as black. even back home, the phrase "maa madow baa/ are they black" is used to ask if a person is non-horner/bantu. Even before we come to the west and are introduced to the idea of race, we don't identify with most other Africans. Thus when we come to the west, we become even more vocal about it.

Somalis have always historically viewed the horn as a seperate peoples from the "madows" to our south. As did the Ethiopians.
It's not complicated, the bantus had their own look, we Cushites in the horn have our own look. Seperate races. So we naturally viewed each other as seperate peoples. It's not that deep.

 

[Khaem]

Mental gymnastics from online folks, the term simply refers to very darkskinned people with african like characteristics. You negroes with curly hair are not getting away from it kkkk

I ain't fighting against the black label as long as it stays in the west. As soon as I step foot in Africa I don't want to associate with any one who ain't Somali except for my oromo 2nd wife after I marry my Djiboutian xalimo.

 

[Nilotic]

I think it's because Somalis (like all ancient admixed populations) have always known they were their own thing (alongside related Horn Africans), and this self-recognition was not contingent on Western definitions or conceptualisations of race...

.. Based on what I've read, it's clear that Somalis have historically never seen themselves as the same as full SSA populations, and full SSA populations also don't really regard Somalis as part of their group. Even usually clueless Cadaans can see the difference...

..Also, black has been associated with slavery, persecution, prejudice and ridicule for centuries, so it makes all the sense in the world to distance one's collective self from that.

Minus the relatively recent 20% Niger-Congo introgression, half of who you are is derived from folks like this

 

[Northern Swordsman]

The resentment somalis have for the black label is not because of ancestry or lineage. Its mostly tied to two main subjects

● Culture
● Religion

Most black people do not share similar culture to somalis which includes things that are taboo in somali culture. If you look at what the culture of black people is you will understand why somalis distance themselves from such people.

Most black people do not share the same Religion as somalis. You wont find a somali who will reject or hate on a Muslim black person solely for being black, never.

Besides that it's a well established fact that many black people do not see somalis as black because of the phenotypes and furthermore despise them because of their religion.

All this aside, MANY Africans do not label themselves as black. Why? Its hijacked by African Americans. (The comments on this are hilarious)

 

[World]

It’s actually closer to 50-55% on average. To answer your question though, the average Somali does look Black, but it’s more of a cultural issue that makes a lot Somalis want to separate themselves from other Blacks.

So Somalis are 50% Natufian and 50% a group who are the ancestors of Nilotic people?

It’s 38 % actually. The Natufian is partly SSA so that’s why it’s a bit higher in %.

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

Those big faruro will always reveal you are from the continent of AfricaThere are notable similarities in features between Somalis and other Africans.

Big lips
Timo dhagax

 

[Yaraye]

@Angelina Most somalis in the US don't identify as black. They might check it on school forms cuz that's the closest thing there is to somali among the choices on there. However they always introduce themselves as a somali person. Firstly, race is something made by white american people. Every other part of the world uses their ethnicity to identify themselves. Secondly, The only thing that is the same as FBAs and us is the skin color. There are too many differences from religion, culture, language, and values. People outside the US can have the luxury of being indifferent of being "black" since it isn't a heavily race society compare to the US and the consequences isn't as heavy. Identifying with the "black" label in america has too many connotation/problems. Plus why won't one be offended when having to identify as a person who is different than them in every aspect of life except skin color?

 

[Kurobecky]

Quick question, If Somalis are indeed 60% SSA through a group related to or are the ancestors of Nilotic peoples, why do many Somalis get offended with the black label?

Im not arguing pro or against. Personally I’m Somali first and don’t care too much for pan-Africanism or the black label. I’m mostly interested in the visceral dislike many Somalis feel when they’re mostly SSA anyway which is the definition of being ‘black’.

@Nilotic
@Odious Delirium
@Man with a garuun
@Abdisamad
@Shimbiris
@Yaraye
@Idrus
@Scipio Africanus
@Keep it a boqol
@El Nino
@Chase
@Chaseyourdreamzz
@World
@cooli3o
@Qeelbax

For me, it’s not the label itself but the reason(s) why Somalis, other non-Bantu Africans, biracial or Dark skinned Caribbean/Latinos are labeled as such . The main reason “ I have to identify as black mainly or sorely due to how non-blacks( MORE SPECIFICALLY WHITE PEOPLE) perceive as” is a stupid reason because 1. What ethnic groups are considered white or black changes every decade. 2. An alliance only based on having a common enemy or oppressor is going to collapse after our mutual threat is eliminated due to infighting. Look at the USSR and the allies after defeating the Germans after WWII or when Iberia united to kick the Moors out. Hell, outside of Rome, Europe has never been really united. Charlemagne came close but it feel apart in two generations. Also, it’s hypocrisy to complain about white supremacy, while enforcing their ideals.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Quick question, If Somalis are indeed 60% SSA through a group related to or are the ancestors of Nilotic peoples, why do many Somalis get offended with the black label?

Im not arguing pro or against. Personally I’m Somali first and don’t care too much for pan-Africanism or the black label. I’m mostly interested in the visceral dislike many Somalis feel when they’re mostly SSA anyway which is the definition of being ‘black’.

@Nilotic
@Odious Delirium
@Man with a garuun
@Abdisamad
@Shimbiris
@Yaraye
@Idrus
@Scipio Africanus
@Keep it a boqol
@El Nino
@Chase
@Chaseyourdreamzz
@World
@cooli3o
@Qeelbax

I am black, Sub-Saharan, and Pan-Africanist. I don't care what others think about the term. I've already embraced it.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Because of self hate. Somalis are the biggest skin bleachers in the world. Somali people hate their skin so much it's unbelievable. Black is automatically seen as ugly in somali culture whereas white/light is seen as beautiful, which is weird because somalis are the second darkest race in the world after nilotes . But to the rest of the world somali people are indeed considered as black people. Nobody cares about slim nose or curly hair.

Blah blah blah waffle as you could you piece of
Somalis aren't the "biggest" skin bleachers nor the "darkest" people in ssa
We're different, most people in africa are, You people are so low minded that you identify with a continent as huge as africa
It's like putting Arabs and Chinese together as one race
What do the average somali have in common with the average Nigerian except for skin color? We ain't even genetically close to each other nor do we speak a related language nor did we ever had contact with them till modern history.

As a somali you should identify as a horner or just somalinimo igu filan

The whole "I'm african" thing should disappear
We're not like Europeans with their little continent who are genetically close to each other, speak a language of the same branch, horribly look like each other and always had contact with one another.

 

[xiin-finiin.]

Blah blah blah waffle as you could you piece of

 

[Abdisamad]

Being identified based on the color of your skind denotes your ethnicity and cultural background, The term lump together a group of people who share nothing but skind tone, that's why I prefer to identify as Somali since this defines who I am both, physically and culturally.

 

[Monn]

what would i gain by pretending to be somali out of all people ?

That's the typical response by people like you.

lets be honest, it has everything to do with somalis not seeing themselves as black. even back home, the phrase "maa madow baa/ are they black" is used to ask if a person is non-horner/bantu. Even before we come to the west and are introduced to the idea of race, we don't identify with most other Africans. Thus when we come to the west, we become even more vocal about it.

South Africans don't see themselves as Africans; when they talk of people from other parts of Africa.
Nigerians are tribe first before they are even Nigerians.

Why should an African identify as "Black"
when everyone in Africa is Black. The Black identity developed in juxtiposition to "Whiteness".

There is an interesting conversation going on in the U.S about Race. Black is no longer a skin color but a lineage.

 

[Geeljire lotus]

Somalis are 60% Proto nilotic. Nothing to do with the Niger Congo peoples of west/central/south & south-east Africa.

Somalis have never associated with a foriegn peoples, let alone a Christian peoples. We are an isolationist race who likes to keep to themselves and have a strong "us vs them" attitude to the world.
My great grandfather probably doesn't even know what a black person looked like, he was too busy on chilling on the red sea coast across from yemen and beefing afars to care about these people.

All Somalis aside from those living in the west, identify as somali & their clan only. We do not care about oromo and Afar in Ethiopia who are near identical to us, why would we care about Nigerians? No one in somaliweyn gives a damn about the "black race" they are irrelevant. Same thing with the "white race" who are also irrelevant in somali society. Heck Arabs and Indians got more clout in the mouths of people walking Mogadishu. We don't constantly talk about colonialism or white people like other african countries nor do we talk about black people. These two groups simply don't have any importance to the average somali.

In the diaspora it's different, we live in their gaalo nations. But still, somali don't easily give up their identity and will still see a black man as a foriengier. Because they are. All people who are not Somalis are Shisheeye. Black people look different & many Christian. They are as foriegn to the Somali as an Indian.

So the reason we don't identity with "black people" is because they are Shisheeye, foriengiers just like any other people. We have no history with them, they are genetically unrelated to us, why would we claim to be the same people as them? It's a lie and no proper Somali would beg it to a Shisheeye. We are a arrogant people who value lineage, not random colonial era concepts like the black or white "race".
The ones we live among in the west are Christians which is the religion somalis have fought against for a thousand years thanks to our historic rivalry with the highlanders.

This was so beautifully said walal

 

[Bundasliga]

Claiming black has more perks than claiming Somali in the west