The closest group genetically to somalis

[canjeeroiyoshah]

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What do they mean by Somali Kenyan and how can they be that different from the rest of us, is it only specific clans?

 

[Garaad Awal]

Certain Oromos are genetically closest to us than the Rendille. In terms of direct ancestry, it is the Rendille

 

[Garaad diinle]

I think it might be a South Semitic loanword. In both Tigrinya and Amharic the root for it is m-n-t

When it comes to afro-asiatic languages the line of what's a loan and what's common vocabulary inherited from their parent proto language can be blurry at times. It appears to me that mataan is a common word between arabic and somali much like سعى يسعى/soco, رعى يرعى/raac, شبل meaning lion cub and somali shabeel. All these word and more are foundational or elementary in af somali and arabic that were inherited from their common parent language.

Remember that both geez and amharic themselves have loans from other cushitic languages which further complicates the picture. Here is the geez word for twin.

Although somewhat similar it's still different and i haven't seen a proper linguistic derivation leading me to assume otherwise. Furthermore there is no obvious mechanism or narrative alluding to the adaption of the word from ethio-semitic languages into somali, note even the harari language which itself is filled with cushitic loans retains the ethio-semitic form manta, malta so it couldn't have come from it.

 

[Nin123]

Certain Oromos are genetically closest to us than the Rendille. In terms of direct ancestry, it is the Rendille

Aren’t you oromo? of course you will say this

 

[Garaad Awal]

Aren’t you oromo?

Unlike you, I can afford to test myself and my family. Try to stay on topic on your own thread

of course you will say this
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It's the reality. Look at any PCA plot with just Horners the closest non-Somali ethnic group to average Somalis are the Oromos.

 

[SuperBantuWeyne]

Here's a PCA from a recent genetic study focused on Africa. The closest to Somalis are the Gabra, Rendilles, Borana (oromos) , Samburu, Yaaku, and some Orma (oromos).
Then you have two groups:
- one a bit more eurasian made of Bani Hamer (Beja), Habeshas along Oromos clustering with them, Nubians and Northern/Central Sudanese Arab(Kababish...)
-one more SSA(East and/or West African) made of the Burji, Hammer, Sudanese Arab Baggara, Toubou, Ogiek and IIchamus(Maa subgroup like Samburu).

I think all these groups have Cushitic or even Somaloid ancestry (Samburu, Borana...) exept the Toubou whose bulk of eurasian ancestry is more Berber-like than cushitic-like.

 

[Abdisamadi]

Here's a PCA from a recent genetic study focused on Africa. The closest to Somalis are the Gabra, Rendilles, Borana (oromos) , Samburu, Yaaku, and some Orma (oromos).
Then you have two groups:
- one a bit more eurasian made of Bani Hamer (Beja), Habeshas along Oromos clustering with them, Nubians and Northern/Central Sudanese Arab(Kababish...)
-one more SSA(East and/or West African) made of the Burji, Hammer, Sudanese Arab Baggara, Toubou, Ogiek and IIchamus(Maa subgroup like Samburu).

I think all these groups have Cushitic or even Somaloid ancestry (Samburu, Borana...) exept the Toubou whose bulk of eurasian ancestry is more Berber-like than cushitic-like.
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Is this due to there being less Bronze Age Semetic migrants as you move further away from the Red Sea ?

 

[NidarNidar]

These are closest to myself via illustrate.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

These are closest to myself via illustrate.

Nafti Nagaaaa

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

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Nafti Nagaaaa

You probably have some Akisho ancestry

 

[Khaem]

What group is the nearest genetically almost identical? Is it afar, habasha or Oromo.

Other east Cushitic groups we split off from.

Our closest is the Saho tribe. But our closest "large ethnic" is Oromo followed by Afar.

 

[Zak12]

Here's a PCA from a recent genetic study focused on Africa. The closest to Somalis are the Gabra, Rendilles, Borana (oromos) , Samburu, Yaaku, and some Orma (oromos).
Then you have two groups:
- one a bit more eurasian made of Bani Hamer (Beja), Habeshas along Oromos clustering with them, Nubians and Northern/Central Sudanese Arab(Kababish...)
-one more SSA(East and/or West African) made of the Burji, Hammer, Sudanese Arab Baggara, Toubou, Ogiek and IIchamus(Maa subgroup like Samburu).

I think all these groups have Cushitic or even Somaloid ancestry (Samburu, Borana...) exept the Toubou whose bulk of eurasian ancestry is more Berber-like than cushitic-like.
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Source to the study?

 

[Zak12]

The closest people are definitely the Oromo

 

[Arabsiyawi]

You probably have some Akisho ancestry

I got some Oromo and Amhara matches on 23andme so it’s most likely I do have some. But I think it is a regional thing more than anything.

 

[Riftvalley]

Borana was the brother of Jiido according to some Somali tales.


Borana Samalo Hill Abrone

 

[Riftvalley]

I got some Oromo and Amhara matches on 23andme so it’s most likely I do have some. But I think it is a regional thing more than anything.

Borana Oromos used to have an elaborate system for looking after Somali traders who use to travel freely amongst them. I believe some Somalis were documented to be living with them by the colonialists.

 

[giire12]

I think i wont be a good example but these are my closest matches in illustrative

But Gedmatch

Are Sandawe people Cushitic?

 

[Himmler]

Other east Cushitic groups we split off from.

Our closest is the Saho tribe. But our closest "large ethnic" is Oromo followed by Afar.

All of the Saho samples I’ve seen have been way closer to Ethio Semitic speaking Eritreans and Northern Ethiopians than to Somalis

 

[NidarNidar]

All of the Saho samples I’ve seen have been way closer to Ethio Semitic speaking Eritreans and Northern Ethiopians than to Somalis

They cluster in with the Afar, Tigray and Beja who live in Eriteria.

 

[Nin123]

Unlike you, I can afford to test myself and my family. Try to stay on topic on your own thread

It's the reality. Look at any PCA plot with just Horners the closest non-Somali ethnic group to average Somalis are the Oromos.



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Nafti Nagaaaa

I don’t see any afar from this guess it’s true we are not related to them. Allhamdu lilah