Fair enough, even Dabarre identify as both Maatay Maaqarre & Maatay Digil. Someone should study why that is, did they have a previous Samaale lineage? Or has the massive assimilation confused the original lineage? Those Facebook Jiidos could just be ignorant, seems D&M are less aware of their lineages (some of them might even be assimilated Jiidos lol)
The Earliest Surviving Manuscript Known Written By A Somali From 1692
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You mention how Gurre did not fall for the oromo expansion were they not absorbed by oromo when akisho moved south to Bale so why are their subs non somali and are the wikipedia ones correct i checked Facebook its even worse im seeing Warra ... they might be posting akisho subs but that makes me wounder not all Akisho are in afran qallo like the ones in K5 so are they also oromised?why else would HA make them magan? why are their subs oromo if the ones in somali region are not part of Afran Qallo and still in the Dir fold
also if u know any journals on them or something on their history send them my way @anonimo
im shooting u with a lot of question kkk I'd appreciated your insight
also if u know any journals on them or something on their history send them my way @anonimo
im shooting u with a lot of question kkk I'd appreciated your insight
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No around 200 years ago we let Gurre,karanle and ajuran live in southern bale with us The Gurre were expelled by Akisho in Fafaan and Ajuran came from southern Somalia and karanle came from imey or babile we granted them lands for grazing purposes only but they fought and took our land like guradhamole and qarsadula
Every Somali clan that got assimilated by Oromo still have their Somali names in their clans Gurre and Akishe always had oromo names even the karanle and the ajuran still have their Somali names and they live in bale
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They did a siyaaro for the sheikh in galdogob couple months ago @reer_ugaas_hussein @Shimbiris
Do u know where I could find the gadabursi chronicles?
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The original arabic manuscript about the gadabursi chronicles is nowhere to be found. The one I'm referring to is a copy writing in af somali by a gadabuursi scholar named Sheikh cabdiraxmaan sheikh nuur, the same one who came up with the borama script. He probably had a copy of the arabic version. The name of the book is Ilbaxnimadii Adal Iyo Sooyaalkii Soomaaliyeed.
You probably asking this for the abtirsi if I'm not mistaken. If so i had a quick look at the pdf and here is the genealogy of sheikh samaroon.
It says dir bin irir bin aji bin soomaal or samaale bin waarid bin lugaam or looxan ibn dalmar ibn kamal ibn kooshni.
Now compare this with oromised garre who live all the way in the south in borana region.
One more thing the book covers many things other than gadabursi and there is no mention of date of the chronicle. I thought it said around the 1812-1850 but on a second look there is nothing about the date.
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Interesting so irir and darood both go back to aqeel bin abi talib?The original arabic manuscript about the gadabursi chronicles is nowhere to be found. The one I'm referring to is a copy writing in af somali by a gadabuursi scholar named Sheikh cabdiraxmaan sheikh nuur, the same one who came up with the borama script. He probably had a copy of the arabic version. The name of the book is Ilbaxnimadii Adal Iyo Sooyaalkii Soomaaliyeed.
You probably asking this for the abtirsi if I'm not mistaken. If so i had a quick look at the pdf and here is the genealogy of sheikh samaroon.
It says dir bin irir bin aji bin soomaal or samaale bin waarid bin lugaam or looxan ibn dalmar ibn kamal ibn kooshni.
Now compare this with oromised garre who live all the way in the south in borana region.
One more thing the book covers many things other than gadabursi and there is no mention of date of the chronicle. I thought it said around the 1812-1850 but on a second look there is nothing about the date.
Yes they are father and son sh mumin Adan even has a masjid in xamarwayne banaadir today where you can visit and see many of his books
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Technically all somalis with no exception use to trace linage to bani hashim one way or another. In one story i read it said that sheikh samaale named sheikh cusmaan is from madina and sheikh darood is from mecca. Italian account said that sheikh samaale is from yemen. The ones who trace lineage to aqil are irir and darood as you pointed out. Here is an elder who talks about it.
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Mashallah that’s a nice history glad to see his descendants from xamar and Bay
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I’ve recently heard there’s a Abtirsi/genealogy section of this book would be amazing if we can get copies of it
Is this written in Arabic or just Somali in the adapted arabic script (Far wadaad)Should've made a thread on this ages ago and inshallah I'll do a blog post and maybe a YouTube video on it someday but here we are:
Migration, Digitization, and Preservation - A Case Study of a Somali Manuscript
The oday who wrote that was of the Leelkase and this is his descendant. There will probably be even older ones once more families like this come forward with the manuscripts they're holding and private collectors return or reveal what looters in places like Xamar sold them during the civil war as there were supposedly hundreds of manuscripts stored in the city before the looting that were lost like what this guy mentions in the comments:
Ancient Manuscript Review 32 : Antique Somali Quran ( 250 years old)
These are 7 volumes of full Quran from Somalia!! I used to have similar set but was confiscated by Abu Dhabi custom. Alhamdulillah these...abudervish.blogspot.com
When people like Revoil were in Xamar they note that a lot of the "oral traditions" and tribal genealogies are actually written down and several of the people who tell them about these traditions would routinely stop to consult manuscripts:
Tradition to Text: Writing Local Somali History in the Travel Narrative of Charles Guillain (1846-48) on JSTOR
Lee Cassanelli, Tradition to Text: Writing Local Somali History in the Travel Narrative of Charles Guillain (1846-48), Journal of African Cultural Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1, Language, Power and Society: Orality and Literacy in the Horn of Africa (Jun., 2006), pp. 57-71www.jstor.org
It will be very interesting, god-willing, if and when we recover many of these historic manuscripts now lost. If anything I hope this thread inspires some of you to go looking for such and share them with us as this fine young man did. It seems legit and verified. He even got it checked at a University. His family were basically wadaado/qadis. There were lots of these in the coastal towns across Somaliweyn and even some of the tuulo. They kept records, wrote treatises on the Qur'an and Xadiths, sent letters for elites and so on. If you look up the wiki page on Xeer you'll notice they're mentioned. Wadaads generally wandered the whole country during the early modern era and probably the middle ages as well. And they all seemed to have been literate.
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There are probably a number of somali manuscript hidden all over Soomaaliweyn.
This is a manuscript on biimaal geneology writing around 200 years ago i think it wa copied from an older version.
This is a manuscript said to be writing in far wadaad.
This is a manuscript about sheikh hussein al-marki of bale most likely.
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Wrong lineage. Historical books agree that Ahmed didnt leave any children ..The original arabic manuscript about the gadabursi chronicles is nowhere to be found. The one I'm referring to is a copy writing in af somali by a gadabuursi scholar named Sheikh cabdiraxmaan sheikh nuur, the same one who came up with the borama script. He probably had a copy of the arabic version. The name of the book is Ilbaxnimadii Adal Iyo Sooyaalkii Soomaaliyeed.
You probably asking this for the abtirsi if I'm not mistaken. If so i had a quick look at the pdf and here is the genealogy of sheikh samaroon.
It says dir bin irir bin aji bin soomaal or samaale bin waarid bin lugaam or looxan ibn dalmar ibn kamal ibn kooshni.
Now compare this with oromised garre who live all the way in the south in borana region.
One more thing the book covers many things other than gadabursi and there is no mention of date of the chronicle. I thought it said around the 1812-1850 but on a second look there is nothing about the date.
And let's not forget that Ahmad only exists in Shia books
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Most of these sheikhs were sufis therefore you'd find a lot of bid'a in their writings.
Honestly a lot of ahl al-bayt or hashimi/qurayshi lineages isn't very accurate in somaliweyn.
A friend of mine told me that garaad diinli is the best person you can ask about history of Somalia. I opened this account just to ask you about your opinion about whether Somali tribes were formed before or after Islam .. And Ist true that dir appears on Ptolemy's map?
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Most clans are 900 years old on Yfull age estimates while Dir is 1600 but estimates can be off by a century or two. Most likely beginning of Islam in the 8th century in Zeila-Hararghe is when tribes like Dir where formed making them one of the oldest. Hawiye is under tested. Not enough samples but we do have two Karanle sub sub sub tribes that are 1200 each and have potential to reach 1600 or more if more older branches get tested.
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