The Economic Policies that Ruined Ethiopia
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From what I hear, it's mostly K5 Somalis who isolate themselves from other Ethiopians, while 'regular Ethiopians' accept them as muh fellow Ethiopians.
During reign of derg Somali was prosper then it flipped during 91
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Are you truly socialist/communist when it comes to Horn? It doesn't work.
I'm for Japan/South-Korea-style politics in Somalia (Capitalist, Nationalist etc).
Don't really care about the West, so long as the borders stay wide open.
Are you truly socialist/communist when it comes to Horn? It doesn't work.
I'm for Japan/South-Korea-style politics in Somalia (Capitalist, Nationalist etc).
Don't really care about the West, so long as the borders stay wide open.
If your arguments against Socialism are Venezuela, USSR, and North Korea/China then you need to actually read about socialism. Read Marx's Das Kapital Vol I.
Capitalism is unsustainable and is destroying our planet. It cannot be controlled or regulated. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of anthropogenic climate change.
Like Feudalism, it is another stage of human progression that needs to be transcended.
As somebody interested in the survival of the Somali race, you cannot in good conscience be Pro-capital. Somalia today is a Laissez-faire capitalist shithole with little to no regulations, oversight and welfare for the population. Look at how well things are going. We're cutting down trees to sell as coal, polluting the land with plastic waste, overgrazing due to livestock being our primary industry causing droughts and famines etc.
FYI, I'm not a Marxist.
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South Korea and Japan aren't ultra-capitalist either. They got social assistance and regulations and their environment is clean. So, still something in that direction. You don't agree, why?
Lol Japan and Korea are ultra capitalist. They are also not pollution free. They are the most cruel, work-obsessed and hierarchical societies on the planet. In fact, Japan and Korea's birth-rate problems are caused by a lack of social welfare and support for working women. If you work 100hr weeks, not paid overtime and have to sacrifice your career to make babies, you won't bother having babies.
Also Japanese and Korean are some of the biggest polluters in the world (Japan is the 5th largest carbon emitters). They are also actively engaged in overfishing and whaling. The two countries also have urban sprawl problems. The bigger the cities and towns, the more land needed to be clear of forests for concrete and asphalt. This is a huge net carbon contributor.
Capitalism is a broken system. Just think, if capitalism was all about efficiency, why hasn't all the technological progress in the last 50 years resulted in fewer work hours? In the 1930s, Economist John Maynard Keynes predicted that the work week would be reduced to 16hrs in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Instead, we are working longer hours for less pay due to wage theft by corporations and billionaires. In Capitalism, all roads lead to the same destination - lower wages, more pollution to cut costs, larger income disparity and less of a voice for average working people.
I agree capitalism is shit in many ways. Have you noticed that the Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden) are almost always in the top 10 best nations? They have a high standard of living, high education system, free health care, and low crime rates. Socialism only works if the society follows the same morals. The more you put in to it, the more you get out from it. There's no "hoping" in this system, it's either contributing to do your role or not. The more people contributing, the better the outcome it is for the society. It's not communism nor democratic, it's better. That's why it actually works.
Capitalism is not a political system. It is an economic system. Capitalism is not for everyday people who don't have millions of dollars. Capitalism is based on corporate interests. It is incredibly exploitative of everyday people for the benefit of a few. Under capitalism, you don't get out what you put in. The argument that if you work hard then you will succeed is no longer true for Americans today. Many people there work full-time, have several jobs, and still can't afford to go to college, have health insurance, or adequately provide for their families.
In a socialist system, you get out what you put in. No one can exploit another person and take what they fairly earned. Socialism also encourages people to work together rather than against each other (which is a prevalent idea in capitalism).
Many people have skewed ideas of what socialism is thanks to a lot of the prominent figures in America. Socialism is not a system that fails to meet people's needs and controls their lives through a totalitarian government. (And yes, you still have private property.) It is a theory that believes that everyone should have access to public goods and basic articles of consumption. Socialists believe that the returns from large-scale industries must benefit a society as a whole.
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Are you truly socialist/communist when it comes to Horn? It doesn't work.
I'm for Japan/South-Korea-style politics in Somalia (Capitalist, Nationalist etc).
Don't really care about the West, so long as the borders stay wide open.
Yes, Socialism would work in Somalia - people are literally starving for change they are disappointed by these empty slogans and empty suits.
They want to work freely with others on terms of equality and solidarity they want to use their meagre resources to achieve satiety, but what is going against this innate human desire is the regressive social and political systems in place in Somalia.
That turns men against one another and suspicious of another is the system is that prevents them from achieving their desired goals I believe these inhumane systems namely the State, Capitalism and Class (a.k.a qabiil) are the basis for all misanthropy in Somalia.
To transcend this miserable state of affair. They must organize, they must educate one another and they must propagate their message of solidarity across Somalia. Call it a revolution.
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Socialism is the main cause. I don't know why capitalism as look at as evil but out of any group in Africa, cushites and berbers are the least comparable as socialist values. Cushites, especially Somali people value independence, private property rights and conservative values. I think socialism can only work in very small bantu or pygmies tribes. Probably the Igo and I can't imagine the Fulani going for it. Also, Ethiopia isn't as racially homogeneous as Somalis. So
Thank you!!! The strong family/clan values negate the need for socialism and in general don't like being told what to do. I think if Somalia could like Hong Kong. My boyfriend pointed out that Somalia reminds him of Japanese. Non retarded Mexicans are pretty similar, too.Are you truly socialist/communist when it comes to Horn? It doesn't work.
I'm for Japan/South-Korea-style politics in Somalia (Capitalist, Nationalist etc).
Don't really care about the West, so long as the borders stay wide open.
Nah, socialism programs damaged black Americans in the long run. Long term abuse by big businesses are only able to same in power to through use of for through the government. It's called Cronyism. Al Shabaab is using and being funded by what ? What gave slave codes, one drop rule and Jim crow laws ? GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!!!What's droning the country? Not McDonald's or Apple ,but the shitty booty government
Capitalism is an economic system, not just a policy that can be changed by putting in new CEOs or changing politicians and laws. Capitalism is driven by profits. The search for profits drives it to expand; the need to make profits also drives it to overproduce and implode into crisis. These cycles have been recurring for more than two centuries and no one has ever figured out a way to fix the system. When there’s a really major contraction of markets, capitalism “fixes” itself by destroying productive capacity often in major wars, snuffing out the lives of millions of people and decimating their lands.
That's why capitalism deserves to be removed. But the next question is, what can replace it? What can get production going again, but this time on a rational basis, where everyone can get jobs making what society needs? Where the real wealth they create working together benefits everyone, not just a small class of super-rich?
The answer is a society where the means of production like factories, mines, railroads, the energy sources, all things used to create new wealth are owned publicly, not privately. And that means socialism, a society where private property has been abolished.
Here’s where there is the most confusion about socialism. Those who really do benefit from capitalism will lie and tell you that under socialism you can’t have your own PERSONAL property. You can’t own your own home or your own boat, etc. The truth is that your personal property - what you need to enjoy a secure and comfortable life is a lot safer under socialism than under capitalism.
Until this economic crisis, tens of millions of people in the United States thought they owned their homes, their cars, their furniture and so on. Yes, they sent checks every month to the bank or the finance company, but if you asked them, it was their home, their car.
Ah, but it wasn’t. It belonged to the bank. The people weren’t really homeowners, after all, were they? They had a contract. The small print said that after paying on a mortgage for something like 30 years, during which time they would fork over several times what the house was priced at, then they would be the owners.
Likewise, how many people really own their cars outright? Isn’t the real owner GMAC or some auto dealership? Won’t the repo man come and take it away if you don’t make your payments?
Personal property is very precarious under capitalism. For the vast majority, wages are too low to be able to buy outright all the things they need so they have to go into debt to get them.
But let’s say you’re lucky enough to have a good-paying job. Even workers who have managed to pay for their homes, cars and household goods can still lose them once the economy implodes. They may be faced with catastrophic medical costs because there is no socialized medicine. Or they can get laid off and then where will they get the money to live on? How many people are already selling many of their possessions to raise cash? Garage and yard sales are everywhere.
It is times like these that expose the illusion that capitalism protects personal property. Whether you bought on time or not, you can still lose everything.
What capitalism does protect big-time is capital that is, the kind of private property that is used to exploit workers and create profits. That’s why the capitalist government was so quick to bail out the banks and corporations when they were facing bankruptcy. It has now spent trillions of the workers’ money to save the corporations and banks that exploit them.
Under socialism, the “right” to exploit other people don’t exist. That may hurt the way the superrich lead their lives, but it’s nothing most working people have to worry about.
What’s more important? The “right” to become a rich parasite? Or the right to a job, the right to free education, the right to free quality medical care, the right to assistance if you can’t work, and the right to plan for your future without having to worry about cyclical capitalist economic crises? And, of course, the right to your personal property. All this is possible - not under capitalism, but definitely under socialism.
Lastly, you can be a socialist and still have conservative values like having a nuclear family.
Interesting view, but in a anarchy you can have socialism as well. I do believe it can work in small groups, like clans. Being a good person is actually more beneficial. For capitalism to succeed, selfishness must be tempered by an equally powerful inclination toward cooperation, empathy and trust — traits that are hard-wired into our nature and reinforced by our moral instincts.
@Factz I've seen the long term effects of socialist values and it's not pretty. Marxist is riddled with feminism and anti family values . 70 percent of black Americans grow up in single mother homes . Socialism destroys the incentive of work and pride of the individual. Eliminate sharia law, no central government, a reform of a constitution somewhat to xeer and pretty much have the clans run like states . But you would to kill alot of people
The Scandinavian countries hates socialism. Most of scandinavia are going more and more towards the right cause socialism is such a hugh burden on them. The rich are being taken over 60% of their money on tax just to pay for others. Socialism in Scandinavias gonna die out soon
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I'm a non-Marxist. I'm simply talking about the economic benefits and why it's superior to capitalism and studies have already proven it. You don't get it do you? Since capitalists control the means of production (e.g. factories, businesses, machinery and so on) and workers control only their labor, the worker is naturally coerced into allowing their labor to be exploited. Why do you accept this?
As a result, the burden of paying for public goods such as education, health and housing is increasingly shouldered by average taxpayers, who don't have the wherewithal to sustain them. Wealth inequality thus becomes a recipe for slowing, innovation-averse, rentier economies, tougher working conditions and degraded public services. Meanwhile, the rich get ever richer and more detached from the societies of which they are part: not by merit or hard work, but simply because they are lucky enough to be in command of capital receiving higher returns than wages over time. Our collective sense of justice is outraged.
You really think capitalism is working for America? Have a read of this study: https://www.independent.ie/business...or-workers-then-it-isnt-working-37154622.html
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