The Economist article on Somaliland

SirLancelLord

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With recognition, Somaliland elections gonna be even more dangerous as it has standing in the world and more people want power. With foreign influence supporting a party they favour etc
 
They need to stop sending Alsheydaan to Mogadishu and the south
You're almost a majority shareholder in your own destruction :mjlol:
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I don't understand this Western obsession with Somalia and Somaliland. So many other independence movements around the world, many even in Europe. In Africa you couldn't count them all on your fingers yet the West falls over itself to legitimise Somaliland without even going so far as to recognise Somaliland.

And they don't stop there, there's a constant narrative being pushed that SL is a bastion of democractic values in opposition to the barbarism and chaos of Somalia.

I don't have anything against Landers but I can't help but feel curious about the focus on Somaliland

In 1991 when Somaliland declared independence the UN through UNSOM funded a federalist agenda to destabilize Somaliland and force it under Somalia. The UN plan failed miserably. Somaliland is an anomaly and the westerners dont understand how it survived while Somalia failed after being funded propped up by the world. They're actually using Somaliland as a case study to rethink UN intervention in failed states

 

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They also shared another article that address the domestic issues the country faces which rarely gets mentioned by foreign journalists who tend to over praise SL by undermine the issues.
 

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On july ist 1960, five days after it cut its colonial ties, the former British Somaliland merged with the one-time Italian Somaliland to form a united Somalia. It was a bad move. The dictatorship of Siad Barre, who took office in 1969, marginalised and massacred Somalilanders. On May 18th 1991, five months after his fall, what was by then simply Somaliland declared independence. It was a statement of intent—and regret. Exiles returned home to rebuild their nation. “Hargeisa had been destroyed to rubble,” recalls Suad Ibrahim Abdi, a campaigner for women’s rights. “There were no buildings, no water.”

What happened next is Somaliland’s founding story. At confabs—under trees or desert stars—clans agreed to share power. Presidential elections followed with regularity. The country is poor but, without much aid, it has developed somewhat. Hargeisa is not the prettiest capital, but it serves a fine camel-milkshake. All of this contrasts with the chaos in Somalia, where foreigners have lavished money and guns.

This month Somalilanders will mark 30 years of peace. The country of 4.5m people is winning friends abroad. But its sovereignty remains unrecognised. When discussing it, the West defers to African countries, which defer to Somalia, which is dead against ceding suzerainty. “The big question”, says Ms Abdi, is “fine, we’ve made progress. But where are we going from here?”

One answer can be seen in Berbera, on the Gulf of Aden. “We call it our hope,” says Khalifa Ibrahim, an adviser to the mayor, pointing to the expanded port opened in 2018 by dp World. Somaliland hopes that the investment of $442m (the largest in its history) by the Dubai-based port operator will prove catalytic for its economy. Port fees and custom taxes already account for 70-80% of government revenues. Planned alongside the new facility are a free-trade zone, an airport, hotels, an oil terminal and a park for 1,000 lorries. Land values have soared ten-fold.

Somaliland sees the port as bringing political benefits, too. “It has upgraded our position in the region,” argues Abdishakur Mohamoud Hassan, the mayor. Ethiopia under Abiy Ahmed, its prime minister, has grown closer to Somalia. His landlocked country depends on the port of Djibouti for most of its imports. The new facility at Berbera, in which Ethiopia has a 19% stake, gives it another option.

Berbera also gives the United Arab Emirates (uae) an alternative foothold in the region. After a long dispute, Djibouti seized the dp World facility there in 2018. Somalia’s government in Mogadishu is allied to Turkey and Qatar, which are rivals to the uae, which in March became the first Arab country to send a permanent diplomat to Hargeisa.

It has joined others in establishing a presence. Kenya recently announced it will set up a consulate in the capital. In August Taiwan opened its East Africa office there and pledged aid for its fellow sovereignty-challenged country. China tried to block the move. But Somaliland said it would not support the principle that there is only one China, with Taiwan a part of it. “Somaliland showed backbone,” says Allen Chenhwa Lou, the Taiwanese representative.

Such diplomatic advances show how far Somaliland has come in 30 years. Yet some locals worry about whether its clan-based political system that established stability is still the right one. “Somalilanders always say that we’re a good model for the continent,” says Guleid Jama of the Human Rights Centre, a local ngo. “But I don’t think we are any more.”

The constitution passed in 2001 was meant to loosen the grip of clans on politics. It limits the number of political parties to three, encouraging coalitions. But most voters still invariably vote by clan.

It is a system that “makes us less prosperous”, argues Mohamed Fadal of the Social Research & Development Institute, a local think-tank. Jobs and contracts are spread around on the basis of clan, not merit. “You cannot leave a clan behind” is the founding principle of Somaliland’s politics, explains Mohamed Farah of the Academy for Peace and Development, another think-tank. It may be a better model than the winner-takes-all ethnic politics in some countries, but many citizens feel it stunts the development of true democracy.

Institutions meant to hold government to account are weak. Judges bow to the executive and rarely prosecute corruption. Parliament is a rubber stamp. On May 31st Somaliland will hold parliamentary elections for the first time for 16 years. Media could be much freer. Foreign journalists are treated with grace and kindness, but local ones can be arrested for upsetting the wrong person. Last year a court ordered a local social-media star to be deported for a post in which he drank tea from a mug with a picture of Somalia’s flag.

In the courtyard of the Hargeisa Cultural Centre, young Somalilanders are dancing and making music videos. Jama Musse Jama, the centre’s director, points at them through his office window, noting that 70% of the country is under the age of 30. “Peace is not enough for these young people,” he says. “They need jobs and opportunities.” An estimated 75% do not have a job.

Women are neglected, too. Sucaad Odowa spent 24 years in London before returning to Hargeisa. “But I didn’t count on the status of women in my country,” she says, citing how women lack rights to divorce and need the consent of a male relative for caesarean sections. Women’s inequality has led her to run for parliament against the wishes of her clan elders. The 82-member lower house has but a single female mp.

Islam is another conservative force. A women’s football tournament was called off last year for apparently transgressing sharia. In the city of Burao a “vice-prevention committee” has closed several female-owned businesses.

Some Somalilanders privately admit that the lack of international recognition is a handy excuse for domestic shortcomings. Yet so long as it is unrecognised, it is hard for the government to get aid and loans, and for businesses to sell things abroad. Travelling on a Somaliland passport, which many countries do not recognise, can be a nightmare.

Soon Somaliland will have spent longer as a de facto independent country than it did as part of a united Somalia. Most Somalilanders know no other status. And they want their country to write its own story, even if it is not always a fairy tale.
 

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Nobody fears a strong Somali state lol its never even existed you broke the first rule of world politics and then act confused why nobody will give you recognition :draketf:
 
They can write a million articles for the separatist mono-clan enclave but it won’t change the fact that the only person they can ask to let them go is Farmajo. They should be direct and approach him instead of running around like a headless goose for 30nyears
 

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They can write a million articles for the separatist mono-clan enclave but it won’t change the fact that the only person they can ask to let them go is Farmajo. They should be direct and approach him instead of running around like a headless goose for 30nyears

What more can be done?


 
What more can be done?


Bro this is all for optics and no real deliberations ever take place at these meetings. They are forced to meet by the IC every year to “talk” and nothing has ever materialised. Both sides are entrenched with their ideals and neither wants to make any concessions.
Full autonomy for SL is something Somalia will never entertain for obvious reasons and SL doesn’t want to budge either in their defiance(for good reason as well).

The status quo only favours Somalia at the moment and if SL doesn’t push for more out of these talks then they can say goodbye to any hope of recognition.
 

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Bro this is all for optics and no real deliberations ever take place at these meetings. They are forced to meet by the IC every year to “talk” and nothing has ever materialised. Both sides are entrenched with their ideals and neither wants to make any concessions.
Full autonomy for SL is something Somalia will never entertain for obvious reasons and SL doesn’t want to budge either in their defiance(for good reason as well).

The status quo only favours Somalia at the moment and if SL doesn’t push for more out of these talks then they can say goodbye to any hope of recognition.
Actually Hassan Sheikh and Sh. Sharif could have easily recognized somaliland if only SL leaders agreed to negotiate a serious deal. After all we are talking about two presidents who sold Somalia's territory, they don't care about somali unity. The only thing preventing SL from geti full independence is the stubbornness of their leaders.
 
Actually Hassan Sheikh and Sh. Sharif could have easily recognized somaliland if only SL leaders agreed to negotiate a serious deal. After all we are talking about two presidents who sold Somalia's territory, they don't care about somali unity. The only thing preventing SL from geti full independence is the stubbornness of their leaders.


The former president tried that in Turkey.
Somalia couldn't even honor the airspace deal forget about more impotent issues.

When Farmaajo became president all the agreements made with the previous administration when out the window.

Who can take politicians from Somalia serious they don't have any respect for deal or the rule of law.
 

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The former president tried that in Turkey.
Somalia couldn't even honor the airspace deal forget about more impotent issues.

When Farmaajo became president all the agreements made with the previous administration when out the window.

Who can take politicians from Somalia serious they don't have any respect for deal or the rule of law.
Cause SL keeps saying "full independence now or nothing" . Somalis don't know how to negotiate saaxib, too stubborn.
Anyway if somalia gets a Hawiye president in office I'm pretty sure SL chances of full independence will improve. That's why SL is so anxious to see Farmaajo removed
 
Cause SL keeps saying "full independence now or nothing" . Somalis don't know how to negotiate saaxib, too stubborn.
Anyway if somalia gets a Hawiye president in office I'm pretty sure SL chances of full independence will improve. That's why SL is so anxious to see Farmaajo removed
This is a lie saxib, secession will have to go through parliament as it changed tbe constitution. Parliament will shut it down.

Also all presidents of Somalia , of any clan, would never grant secession as IC and the local people will be against it. HSM brought the sea issue to ICJ.
 
This is a lie saxib, secession will have to go through parliament as it changed tbe constitution. Parliament will shut it down.

Also all presidents of Somalia , of any clan, would never grant secession as IC and the local people will be against it. HSM brought the sea issue to ICJ.


Naah it will go the same way as it did in Eritrea and South Sudan.
When time comes a somalian leader will see the writing on the wall - that the union is dead, gone and will never comeback.

With Somaliland out of the way they can focus on the real issues at hand like eradicating Al-Shabab, centralising the government authority so these ussless maamul Like Puntland and Jubaland can't hold the somalian nation as hostages, and building up the army so the +30.000 african troops can leave the country.
 
Naah it will go the same way as it did in Eritrea and South Sudan.
When time comes a somalian leader will see the writing on the wall - that the union is dead, gone and will never comeback.

With Somaliland out of the way they can focus on the real issues at hand like eradicating Al-Shabab, centralising the government authority so these ussless maamul Like Puntland and Jubaland can't hold the somalian nation as hostages, and building up the army so the +30.000 african troops can leave the country.
There is no such thing as Somaliland. If you want to make an Isaaq only state due to claims of genocide that would make more sense, but dragging us SSC into your delusions will fail.
 
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