The end of civic nationalism in the west?

[Farsi]

From the 1990s to the 2000s, mass media consistently praised civic nationalism and its values, promoting the idea that, regardless of race or linguistic background, anyone could be part of the nation as long as they integrated. However, a strange shift occurred in the West, especially in Europe, during the 2010s. What defines a European? Is it values, ethnicity, race, or language? This shift in thinking has also spread to other New World Western countries.

A clear example of this tension is Rishi Sunak, whose rise to power as Prime Minister often highlighted his Indian heritage. While his election was celebrated by the Indian community in the UK, it also sparked concerns about "dual loyalties." Sunak's identity as a British Indian was framed as a victory for diversity, yet it raised questions about national allegiance, particularly on issues affecting Britain's future.

So, where do you see the future of ethnic minorities who are not of European descent in the West? Will they stay and integrate, eventually intermarrying with the locals, or will they face treatment similar to the Spanish Inquisition in their host nations?

 

[peterpeter]

From the 1990s to the 2000s, mass media consistently praised civic nationalism and its values, promoting the idea that, regardless of race or linguistic background, anyone could be part of the nation as long as they integrated. However, a strange shift occurred in the West, especially in Europe, during the 2010s. What defines a European? Is it values, ethnicity, race, or language? This shift in thinking has also spread to other New World Western countries.

A clear example of this tension is Rishi Sunak, whose rise to power as Prime Minister often highlighted his Indian heritage. While his election was celebrated by the Indian community in the UK, it also sparked concerns about "dual loyalties." Sunak's identity as a British Indian was framed as a victory for diversity, yet it raised questions about national allegiance, particularly on issues affecting Britain's future.

So, where do you see the future of ethnic minorities who are not of European descent in the West? Will they stay and integrate, eventually intermarrying with the locals, or will they face treatment similar to the Spanish Inquisition in their host nations?

This disease happened as you said namely in the 2010s but specifically 2014 onwards and whether or not it can go back is unknown, there are many factors to consider. Firstly there was this anti-woke subculture that grew in the 2014 triggered by something called GamerGate this started to radicalise a lot of people especially a lot of young males/nerds specifically young white guys who were shifting to a more liberal position up until that point. Then you had countries in Europe namely Germany who let in 2 million people unsupervised as a experiment to signify changing times and I don't need to tell you how that went, xoolo middle easterners and Africans completely destroyed any good will that was available to them. Thirdly, you had Brexit and Trump both scenarios no one predicted which completely changed what was possible and triggered this new xenophobic landscape. Lastly we're in the most dangerous phase where now this is the mainstream most countries in the west are heading towards this nationalistic landscape and everyone is getting pulled to this right leaning fascism. You see it on the social media platforms like twitter which used to be a liberal space and is now a nazi site like 4chan. I don't see this going anywhere but it will die down when Trump goes but the aftereffects will linger for a very long time. As for what will happen to minorites I think all of the above possibilites will happen but not by force or pogroms, many will intermarry, many will decide to go back home and many will just exist and intergrate generation by generation.

 

[AbdiFreedom]

Civic nationalism was devised by Jew Hans Kohn. He and other Jews were and are the proponents of it. Its not going anywhere. Whatever Jews want in the west, Jews get.

 

[peterpeter]

Civic nationalism was devised by Jew Hans Kohn. He and other Jews were and are the proponents of it. Its not going anywhere. Whatever Jews want in the west, Jews get.

Sxb while I agree, Jews aren't these mystical creatures around cadaans you can never truly relax you always have to have a guard up.

 

[AbdiFreedom]

Sxb while I agree, Jews aren't these mystical creatures around cadaans you can never truly relax you always have to have a guard up.

I want what the Jews have done to whites to do the same to Somalia.

 

[AppleBoat398]

From the 1990s to the 2000s, mass media consistently praised civic nationalism and its values, promoting the idea that, regardless of race or linguistic background, anyone could be part of the nation as long as they integrated. However, a strange shift occurred in the West, especially in Europe, during the 2010s. What defines a European? Is it values, ethnicity, race, or language? This shift in thinking has also spread to other New World Western countries.

A clear example of this tension is Rishi Sunak, whose rise to power as Prime Minister often highlighted his Indian heritage. While his election was celebrated by the Indian community in the UK, it also sparked concerns about "dual loyalties." Sunak's identity as a British Indian was framed as a victory for diversity, yet it raised questions about national allegiance, particularly on issues affecting Britain's future.

So, where do you see the future of ethnic minorities who are not of European descent in the West? Will they stay and integrate, eventually intermarrying with the locals, or will they face treatment similar to the Spanish Inquisition in their host nations?

Go look at the recent Prime minister's emergency press conference on immigration. He's meant to be the Labour Party leader....we're cooked!

 

[AppleBoat398]

This disease happened as you said namely in the 2010s but specifically 2014 onwards and whether or not it can go back is unknown, there are many factors to consider. Firstly there was this anti-woke subculture that grew in the 2014 triggered by something called GamerGate this started to radicalise a lot of people especially a lot of young males/nerds specifically young white guys who were shifting to a more liberal position up until that point. Then you had countries in Europe namely Germany who let in 2 million people unsupervised as a experiment to signify changing times and I don't need to tell you how that went, xoolo middle easterners and Africans completely destroyed any good will that was available to them. Thirdly, you had Brexit and Trump both scenarios no one predicted which completely changed what was possible and triggered this new xenophobic landscape. Lastly we're in the most dangerous phase where now this is the mainstream most countries in the west are heading towards this nationalistic landscape and everyone is getting pulled to this right leaning fascism. You see it on the social media platforms like twitter which used to be a liberal space and is now a nazi site like 4chan. I don't see this going anywhere but it will die down when Trump goes but the aftereffects will linger for a very long time. As for what will happen to minorites I think all of the above possibilites will happen but not by force or pogroms, many will intermarry, many will decide to go back home and many will just exist and intergrate generation by generation.

Don't conflate Europe with the USA. Political climate in Europe on immigration is much more extreme than the USA.

 

[Basra]

From the 1990s to the 2000s, mass media consistently praised civic nationalism and its values, promoting the idea that, regardless of race or linguistic background, anyone could be part of the nation as long as they integrated. However, a strange shift occurred in the West, especially in Europe, during the 2010s. What defines a European? Is it values, ethnicity, race, or language? This shift in thinking has also spread to other New World Western countries.

A clear example of this tension is Rishi Sunak, whose rise to power as Prime Minister often highlighted his Indian heritage. While his election was celebrated by the Indian community in the UK, it also sparked concerns about "dual loyalties." Sunak's identity as a British Indian was framed as a victory for diversity, yet it raised questions about national allegiance, particularly on issues affecting Britain's future.

So, where do you see the future of ethnic minorities who are not of European descent in the West? Will they stay and integrate, eventually intermarrying with the locals, or will they face treatment similar to the Spanish Inquisition in their host nations?

In 100 years it wont matter. Assimilation will be deep.