The Gulf career method might be over
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Hotchick12
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asean it where it’s at, im heading to china that’s where the money is
She is sooooo right. Here in Saudi we suffer from them too. But they actually have an interesting strategy. They accept the low wages so they can master their job and get a chokehold on the company they work for. While making it impossible for anyone else to compete with their low wages. They then drive every other nationality and sometimes people from other regions in india from the company. They do that by engaging in politics and not training others it's usually the A holes from Kerala who succeed in that but in rare occasions A holes from other regions of India or Egypt win. Eventually they start getting bold and demand higher wages and in some cases a portion of the profit. They tend to struggle in western companies working in Saudi Arabia like the company I work for because everyone gets paid the same salary in these companies irrespective of nationality.
Asean is what im thinking about aswell. Particularly Singapore
Hotchick12
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but isn’t saudi using localisation in those companies now that their population are educated and they want to stop the gravy train my friend is a professor over there, she was served by saudis in starbucks and she said saudis are not trying to hire foreigners now
Hotchick12
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singapore and malaysia are trying to create new industrial city together, that part of asia is where the next highest growth in economic output is taking place
@Shimbiris thoughts?
This lot are a global net negative
I feel like she's overselling 7-8 years ago big time. The sun mostly set on Dubai as a place of work and trade after 2008. The hot years were 2003-2008 or 2000-2008. My parents and other older people often recount how wild the salaries were back then. Niggas was being given 10K AED as a starting salary regardless of ethnicity in some cases.
By the time I got out of my Undergrad around 2018 the sun had long set. To be honest, I would argue there was no such thing as "entry level" in many cases at that point. You seriously had to take an unpaid internship or one with a garbage "salary" of like 800-1200 USD a month and just white knuckle until they hired you full-time and you worked your way up from there. That's what I partly did and what most of my friends did or they accepted entry level roles with that exact same unlivable salary range.
Basically, White Collar Dubai realized that a lot of Expats in the 20-30 range are in the UAE with their families so they can live at home, not pay rent and depend on their parents for food and their day to day needs. Doesn't help that most "Eastern" cultures have this general mentality that there's not even a point in moving out until you're married. The bank of mom and dad is big in the Gulf:
So these companies clocked that they can basically have young adults do essentially full-time work for them for nothing or close to nothing because "experience" and "We're Emirates NBD, we're doing you a favor with how nice your Resume will look after this.". I recall another YouTube interview I've now lost where a young journalist was speaking to an older one and they both basically pointed out that British journalism has become "elitist" in that only well off Londoners who can afford to live entirely off their parents for the first few years can weather the basically non-existent pay at the start. Same thing was going in Dubai for the last decade.
But overall it's just that Dubai also stopped being a real business hub after the crash. They used to get fat off being middlemen between Africa and China, for example, but now China just has direct lines with most African countries so the UAE was rendered sorta irrelevant in that respect. The place mostly runs on tourism, investments, dirty money, Abu Dhabi's oil reserves and the like now.
She is somewhat right though in that since I left a little over a year ago I've noticed the wages are getting even more ridiculous due to people from the subcontinent and other places being desperate enough to accept abysmal wages for work they really shouldn't but it's just more going in the same overall direction they have been for almost two decades now.
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I know multiple Somali businessmen that made bank off importing pretty much everything from day to day supplies to cars and textiles. They imported it from China to Xamar via UAE but the carab middlemen gradually got cut off some time in the past 10 years.
Yeah, the middleman routine was still strong until I was at least 18-20 so like until at least 2015 or maybe even a bit after. What you've heard definitely tracks. Some of my own relations made bank that way so I'm well familiar.
Intresting, You reckon its going to end up the same in other khaleeji countries? Also do you think UAE is detiriorating faster than the west? Cause the way you put it, it seems like it is
I honestly can't say. Someone like @Idilinaa who actually takes the time to track all the economic metrics would probably give you a more salient answer. I'd just be eyeballing off my own lived experience which can be biased and misguided in various ways.
If I nevertheless had to give a short summary:
- Rent & Cost-of-living is much cheaper in the Dubai-Sharjah-Ajman metro area.
- Pay is much better on average in the Greater Boston area.
- But if you secure a high salary or a remote western job in the DSA, it's for now tax-free.
- More small-businesses in the DSA with GB feeling much corporate consolidated.
- DSA is more safe but GB is already fairly safe by USA standards from what I've noticed.
these timo jileecs are fast with the jobs i couldnt get a jobs at popeyes ages ago because the bengali manager only hired other bengalis lmao
@Aseer
A good setup in my humble-opinion would be having a western (i.e. American) passport, living in the DSA, having a remote well-paid western job, signing up for a freelancer or small-business visa in the DSA to keep you there, having the right qualifications or hitting the investment requirements for a golden visa and just chilling in the cheaper, warm and luxurious gulf with whatever net-pay you get from your western job not being touched in the Gulf. It's very westernized and English speaking so you wouldn't feel out of place but you'd get to hear the call to prayer everyday with every neighborhood having at least 1-2 masjids. Long-term just save and invest your lacag into Somalia and setting yourself up like a Boqor over there once you retire.
A good setup in my humble-opinion would be having a western (i.e. American) passport, living in the DSA, having a remote well-paid western job, signing up for a freelancer or small-business visa in the DSA to keep you there, having the right qualifications or hitting the investment requirements for a golden visa and just chilling in the cheaper, warm and luxurious gulf with whatever net-pay you get from your western job not being touched in the Gulf. It's very westernized and English speaking so you wouldn't feel out of place but you'd get to hear the call to prayer everyday with every neighborhood having at least 1-2 masjids. Long-term just save and invest your lacag into Somalia and setting yourself up like a Boqor over there once you retire.
What is DSA?
No offense but timojileecs are the only race that willingly become slaves for others…. They doing this shit in India. They doing this shit in Canada, now the Arab countries tf??? Imagine if the usa enslaved timojileecs instead of black ppl I guarantee you slavery would still be a thing today. There’s more than 200 million Dalits in India, almost on par with the most populated country in Africa (Nigeria) has 223 million people.
Dalits have been oppressed for how many centuries and they are actually still out here cleaning Xaar on the streets for their upper caste counterparts, I feel so bad for them, but the psychology of timojileecs with accepting inferiority and subjugation by others needs to be studied cuz this is absolutely insane. Not only are they willing to basically become slaves but they are PAYINGGG money for it, jumping up and down like circus monkeys for any opportunity to become one. Like what the hell is going on…
they need to be saved from this mindset bc it’s affecting all of us atp it’s too many of them to compete with. This whole world is regressing now and this is a major contributor why. like we are in for some serious trouble yall omfg I just can’t.
Dalits have been oppressed for how many centuries and they are actually still out here cleaning Xaar on the streets for their upper caste counterparts, I feel so bad for them, but the psychology of timojileecs with accepting inferiority and subjugation by others needs to be studied cuz this is absolutely insane. Not only are they willing to basically become slaves but they are PAYINGGG money for it, jumping up and down like circus monkeys for any opportunity to become one. Like what the hell is going on…
they need to be saved from this mindset bc it’s affecting all of us atp it’s too many of them to compete with. This whole world is regressing now and this is a major contributor why. like we are in for some serious trouble yall omfg I just can’t.
Dubai-Sharjah-Ajman metro area:
Dubai–Sharjah–Ajman metropolitan area - Wikipedia
They're administrated separately by different ruling families but there's no geographic buffer between the cities. They share neighborhoods and bleed into each other. I partly grew up in a section of Sharjah that, without traffic, was 15 mins from Downtown Dubai whereas some people living within Dubai's territory could be 35 mins from Downtown without traffic. Even did all my schooling in Dubai when we lived in Sharjah. Driving to Ajman took no time at all as well. Could go to Ajman's beach throughout the afternoon and be in your Dubai home by the early evening. Basically one big continuous metro area.
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