The Holy Land of Israel

[Gilgamesh]

Shalom, I believe the turbulent relationship between the Banu Hashim and Banu Israel needs to come to an end. The Jewish people have always been a resilient people even after suffering under thousands of years of oppression in foreign lands after their expulsion. They have immensely contributed to humanity in a wide variety of fields some famous Jewish figures you might have heard of include Sigmund Freud the father of modern-day Psychology and Albert Einstein one of the most brilliant man in history.

I believe a future functioning Somali state(s) will benefit from a mutually beneficial relationship with the the Jewish State of Israel. Our support for a Palestinian State as Arabs should not prevent us from working with Israel.

Ps. Mods please delete any Anti-Semetic remarks, thanks in advance.

 

[Canuck]

All Arab countries have relations and embassies in Israel plus the commercial offices expect Sudan. So, we should do the same. But at same time open 2 embassies one for Israel and other for Palestine.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Shalom, I believe the turbulent relationship between the Banu Hashim and Banu Israel needs to come to an end. The Jewish people have always been a resilient people even after suffering under thousands of years of oppression in foreign lands after their expulsion. They have immensely contributed to humanity in a wide variety of fields some famous Jewish figures you might have heard of include Sigmund Freud the father of modern-day Psychology and Albert Einstein one of the most brilliant man in history.

I believe a future functioning Somali state(s) will benefit from a mutually beneficial relationship with the the Jewish State of Israel. Our support for a Palestinian State as Arabs should not prevent us from working with Israel.

Ps. Mods please delete any Anti-Semetic remarks, thanks in advance.

90% of Israel are khazars Ashkenazi they haven't got a drop of Semitic blood in them. Zionists are vile & cruel, the suffering they have put the Semitic people of Palestine is horrendous, Israel is an apartheid state & anAshkenazi has no link to the mid-east, they're from the caucus mountains near Russia, look up the khazarian empire.

 

[AceofSom]

I see you kin are doing well lately.

 

[Gilgamesh]

@Cognitivedissonance

Your Anti-Semitic theory has been discredited and refuted by many reputable scholars around the world. It's baseless and I will not entertain it. I bet you also believe in that fabricated text called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

@Cognitivedissonance

Your Anti-Semitic theory has been discredited and refuted by many reputable scholars around the world. It's baseless and I will not entertain it. I bet you also believe in that fabricated text called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I respect ashkenazi Jewish men like norm Finkelstein who had both his parents in concentration camps yet he goes against the grain & calls it how he sees it, Israel is an apartheid state.

 

[Mckenzie]

Holy

 

[Al Dhoobe]

Waryaahe.....war heedhe.......war niinyo.....war magaca ilaahi.....war nacala......Jaw.....Baw......war ma kaftan........haaa waad kaftami......

 

[Gilgamesh]

We can learn from them in the Agricultural field.

 

[waraabe]

All Arab countries have relations and embassies in Israel plus the commercial offices expect Sudan. So, we should do the same. But at same time open 2 embassies one for Israel and other for Palestine.

Palestinian isn't internationally recognized nation, can't be for Palestine and be against somaliland.

 

[JohnDoe]

Diplomatic relations should be established with Israel. However alot more international pressure must also be applied on Israel because of it's illegal settlements on the West Bank.

 

[cheechn]

ISRAEL comes out of Canaan. Canaan is a son of Ham. Hamites ARE Africans.

The shithole desert is not the land of israel either.

 

[Hubble]

Israel can plant these meticulous farms because they don't negotiate with ancestral land owners like we'd have to. They just take it, even fully functioning farms were seized from Palestinians. The Israeli dates and lemons you see were selectively bred for generations by Palestinians. It's really sad. We could replicate their model and make our farmers very rich but like the Jews we're a xaqdaro race and would probably start a war if Madow or Raxaweyne became richer than the mafia clans.

 

[Hitman]

@Cognitivedissonance

Your Anti-Semitic theory has been discredited and refuted by many reputable scholars around the world. It's baseless and I will not entertain it. I bet you also believe in that fabricated text called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

The Ashkenazi make up the majority of modern day 'Jews'. Not many of them carry the J1c3d cluster (maybe less than 10% of them). The vast majority of 'Jews' today are not the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Relative to the Jewish population as a whole (whether Ashkenazi or Sephardi), a large amount of the Cohanim (who are the 'priestly class', thus believed to be the descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses) carry the J1c3d haplotype. They also have specific markers that are known as the 'Cohanim model haplotype' (CMH). Their markers show that they are very closely related to authentic Qurayshis. The Cohanim are a minority amongst the Jewish population though.

These are pure facts, no 'conspiracy theory' involved. @Cognitivedissonance is right.

 

[cheechn]

The Ashkenazi make up the majority of modern day 'Jews'. Not many of them carry the J1c3d cluster (maybe less than 10% of them). The vast majority of 'Jews' today are not the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Relative to the Jewish population as a whole (whether Ashkenazi or Sephardi), a large amount of the Cohanim (who are the 'priestly class', thus believed to be the descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses) carry the J1c3d haplotype. They also have specific markers that are known as the 'Cohanim model haplotype' (CMH). Their markers show that they are very closely related to authentic Qurayshis. The Cohanim are a minority amongst the Jewish population though.

These are pure facts, no 'conspiracy theory' involved. @Cognitivedissonance is right.

Its funny, when the "curse of ham" comes up all of a sudden they are africans. Ham has 5 sons. Cush, Canaan, Mizraim, and Phut. Out of Canaan came Hebrews. J1 haplogroup has nothing to do with Hebrews its a Eurasian haplogroup that has its origin in Caves, not ancient narratives. They cannot find any of the biblical ancient cities in these places because that is not where they were built. These people simply adopted the historical narratives of the Religions they converted to. Ancient histories that were put in the bible that were happening thousands of years ago.

 

[Hitman]

Its funny, when the "curse of ham" comes up all of a sudden they are africans. Ham has 5 sons. Cush, Canaan, Mizraim, and Phut. Out of Canaan came Hebrews. J1 haplogroup has nothing to do with Hebrews its a Eurasian haplogroup that has its origin in Caves, not ancient narratives. They cannot find any of the biblical ancient cities in these places because that is not where they were built. These people simply adopted the historical narratives of the Religions they converted to. Ancient histories that were put in the bible that were happening thousands of years ago.

J1 (namely the J1c3d cluster) has everything to do with the descendants of Abraham... Quraysh, Bani Sulaym, Mudar, Kinanah, Tamim, et alia, all carry this cluster so do the Cohanim and other Semitic Jews. I'm not denying that Canaanites may have inhabited the holy land before the Israelites, but they are not Semitic and thus not the descendants of Ibrahim (AS).

 

[Hitman]

Oh and @cheechn, the narrations regarding 'The curse of Ham' are not from Islamic sources, you do know that right? Here is what the Prophet (SAW) had to say, apropros of whether Muslims should believe in the narrations of ahlul kitab (the people of the book, namely Jews and Christians): Whatever the people of the Book [Jews and Christians] tell you, do not verify them, nor falsify them, but say: We believe in Allah and His Apostle. If it is false, do not confirm it, and if it is right, do not falsify it.(Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm), Book 25, Number 3637)"

 

[Gilgamesh]

The Ashkenazi make up the majority of modern day 'Jews'. Not many of them carry the J1c3d cluster (maybe less than 10% of them). The vast majority of 'Jews' today are not the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Relative to the Jewish population as a whole (whether Ashkenazi or Sephardi), a large amount of the Cohanim (who are the 'priestly class', thus believed to be the descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses) carry the J1c3d haplotype. They also have specific markers that are known as the 'Cohanim model haplotype' (CMH). Their markers show that they are very closely related to authentic Qurayshis. The Cohanim are a minority amongst the Jewish population though.

These are pure facts, no 'conspiracy theory' involved. @Cognitivedissonance is right.

Studies have shown the Majority of Jewish populations whether Ashkenazi, or Sephardi with the exception of the Ethiopian Jews have a common middle eastern ancestry.The Jews did a lot of mixing and conversion of local populations they settled with so there isn't a surprise why some might not have links to Middle East not to mention Jewish Heritage is maternal. The CMH is among the 'priestly class' as you said so of course it's only going to be found among a small section of the population but that doesn't negate the fact that majority of Jews have a common Middle-Eastern ancestry even after the centuries they spent outside there.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Studies have shown the Majority of Jewish populations whether Ashkenazi, or Sephardi with the exception of the Ethiopian Jews have a common middle eastern ancestry.The Jews did a lot of mixing and conversion of local populations they settled with so there isn't a surprise why some might not have links to Middle East not to mention Jewish Heritage is maternal. The CMH is among the 'priestly class' as you said so of course it's only going to be found among a small section of the population but that doesn't negate the fact that majority of Jews have a common Middle-Eastern ancestry even after the centuries they spent outside there.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/

Taalo ninkan askenazi yajuuj iyo majuuj miya Waba ka shaqiyay.

 

[Hitman]

Studies have shown the Majority of Jewish populations whether Ashkenazi, or Sephardi with the exception of the Ethiopian Jews have a common middle eastern ancestry.The Jews did a lot of mixing and conversion of local populations they settled with so there isn't a surprise why some might not have links to Middle East not to mention Jewish Heritage is maternal. The CMH is among the 'priestly class' as you said so of course it's only going to be found among a small section of the population but that doesn't negate the fact that majority of Jews have a common Middle-Eastern ancestry even after the centuries they spent outside there.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/

Having 'common middle eastern' ancestry is most likely alluding to their autosomal DNA, not their lineages. All you read is that they have 'common Middle Eastern ancestry' and then you jump to conclusions... Wtf dude? That's very vague to begin with and it's certainly not a legitimate premise for your argument. Their haplotypes are clearly not of 'Semitic origins'. Overall, the J1 haplogroup constitutes ~14% of the haplogroups carried by Jews. Logically J1c3d would be a lot less than that.

http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm

As for their MTdna, studies suggest that ~80% of their MTdnas may be pre-historic European and not Levantine.

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html

I only mentioned the Cohanim as they're the only ones that can be considered to be 'Israelites' in our age. They are a minority amongst the Jews. Majority of modern 'Jews' are not the physical descendants of the ancient Israelites man... Spare me this nonsense.