the more i learn about Siyad Barre, the more i

[waraabe]

brothers and sisters of MOD better start working for a living because booliqaran isn't coming back

 

[Bonjour]

f*ck Garhajis i don't f*ck with s. Habar jeclo made somaliland and that's fact. And am against Somaliland.

Garxajis are the Lions of the Isaaq ppl iska fadiso

 

[WiilWaalan]

Garxajis are the Lions of the Isaaq ppl iska fadiso

When you're Isaaq and even other Isaaq subclans don't like you, you know you're a loser

 

[Bonjour]

When you're Isaaq and even other Isaaq subclans don't like you, you know you're a loser

crutruth is a troll, Isaaqs love each other and have lived in peace for the last 30 years seethe

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

• Silenced, imprisoned and murdered dissidents (usually clans he hated)

He silenced all those that opposed his rule.

• Made us join the Arab League

Which was a good thing.

• Dragged Somalia, a young country with high prospects into a disastrous war with Ethiopia. A war that was needless and was used as a cover to further purge Somalia's most talented top officials/commanders.

It was a hit or miss, if we won that war we would have been an African superpower.

• Turned a self-sufficient, young country with high prospects into a basket-case, aid-dependent banana republic.

Losing the war did that.

• Failed to listen to the USSR and Castro on the Ogaden issue

Castro wanted to unite Yemen, Somalia and Ethiopia into one country.

• Again showed the lack of political intelligence that plagued his regime by not stepping down and allowing for reconciliation.

There was like 10 rebel groups, who is to say that they wouldn't fight among themselves if he stepped down? Aideed fought against Ali Mahdi who had the support of the Manifesto group. He didn't speak to any of the rebel groups when he announced his government, and he is the one that destroyed Somalia.

• Revised Somali history to exaggerate, and in some cases, completely fabricate his clan's achievements.

Absolutely false.

 

[ThreeTwentyOne]

AUN he was a great leader, our country will never be what it was during his time.

 

[Bohol]

Folks stick to the topic. Don't hijack it, this is about Siad Bare not Candho Jeclo or GX.

 

[Striker]

Folks stick to the topic. Don't hijack it, this is about Siad Bare not Candho Jeclo or GX.

This happens a lot.

They get out off topic. Remember the khatumo/somaliland thread? Some how it became a sex thread.

10% of sspot users are retards

 

[WiilWaalan]

This happens a lot.

They get out off topic. Remember the khatumo/somaliland thread? Some how it became a sex thread.

10% of sspot users are retards

Hahaha they probs just have short attention spans

 

[Striker]

Hahaha they probs just have short attention spans

The first two page are on topic the last couple of pages are random off topics

 

[Bahal]

It's not my fault that your mind is perverted cause you're westernised & you've thoroughly assimilated into a society where homosexuality is the order of the day

Cognitive dissonance is a khaniis waryaa

@TheLibertarianQuiche we need a remix sxb

 

[Gambar]

Siad Barre

Strengths -

*Note: This was largely during the first years of his regime

• Galvanised Somalis into one cohesive state
•Took over a highly corrupt Somali democracy
• Invested in some big infrastructure projects like roads and docks
• Launched a nation-wide campaign to improve literacy
• Instilled a strong sense of communalism and nationalism


Faults -

• Illegally seized power without any mandate
• Silenced, imprisoned and murdered dissidents (usually clans he hated)
• Made us join the Arab League
• Dragged Somalia, a young country with high prospects into a disastrous war with Ethiopia. A war that was needless and was used as a cover to further purge Somalia's most talented top officials/commanders.
• Lacked the political intelligence to rule the country.
• Oversaw wholesale corruption and clan nepotism
• Turned a self-sufficient, young country with high prospects into a basket-case, aid-dependent banana republic.
• Fought a bitter war against his own people after years of sidelining major clans and letting his kin loot the country.
• Failed to listen to the USSR and Castro on the Ogaden issue
• Again showed the lack of political intelligence that plagued his regime by not stepping down and allowing for reconciliation.
• Ordered, directly and indirectly, the indiscriminate murder and rape of the Northern Somali Republic. To this day, mass graves are still being found in the Somaliland.
• Singlehandedly, deepened the rift between Somali clans and caused a level of mistrust and suspicion of one another which I don't think will ever be healed.
• Revised Somali history to exaggerate, and in some cases, completely fabricate his clan's achievements.

Interesting that you only mention what he did in Somaliland as a weakness and you mentioned indiscriminate rape and murder without making a mention of atrocities of the same fashion in Mudug and elsewhere. Yaab. You prove that Siads clan nepotism is still alive and well today.

 

[WiilWaalan]

Interesting that you only mention what he did in Somaliland as a weakness and you mentioned indiscriminate rape and murder without making a mention of atrocities of the same fashion in Mudug and elsewhere. Yaab. You prove that Siads clan nepotism is still alive and well today.

To be fair to Isaaqs, despite the mudug massacre us MJs had many warlords protecting us, General Morgan protected the Harti in Kismayo and Abduallhi Yusuf protected the MJs in Puntland, but Isaaqs on top of the federal government massacre, they were also killing each other in the famous Habar wars in Ceerigabo area during the same time, i think they took the most damage in the kacaan era

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Cognitive dissonance is a khaniis waryaa

@TheLibertarianQuiche we need a remix sxb

When have you sucked my dick you gaal agnostic westernised swine.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Interesting that you only mention what he did in Somaliland as a weakness and you mentioned indiscriminate rape and murder without making a mention of atrocities of the same fashion in Mudug and elsewhere. Yaab. You prove that Siads clan nepotism is still alive and well today.

I'm not from those regions, so excuse my ignorance. What did he do in Mudug?

 

[Gambar]

I'm not from those regions, so excuse my ignorance. What did he do in Mudug?

It is well known that he poisoned wells and had soldiers rape Majerteen women. Many nomads died and it was extremely devastating.

 

[Prince Abubu]

It is well known that he poisoned wells and had soldiers rape Majerteen women. Many nomads died and it was extremely devastating.

I've never heard that. Sorry to hear, are you from there? I thought only Hawiye lived there.

 

[Gambar]

I've never heard that. Sorry to hear, are you from there? I thought only Hawiye lived there.

MJ live there along with other Darood clans and non Darood clans.

 

[WiilWaalan]

I've never heard that. Sorry to hear, are you from there? I thought only Hawiye lived there.

Let me educate you, Hawiye live in small part of southern mudug, south Galkacyo area, this Hawiye area is inhabited by Sacad Habar Gidir, however pre 1991 Hawiye lived in all of Galcayo with Daroods but during the kacaan era were the Hawiye killed thousands of MJs, Abdullahi Yusuf imposed the famous green line separating Hawiye and MJs to avoid massacre, this is why Hawiyes only live in southern Galkayo, anyways apart from that, the rest of mudug (majority) is inhabited by many Darood clans, MJs, Carab Salax (related to daroods), Lelkaase, Ogadens who live together in the Puntland side of the green line.

 

[Boqor Geeljire252]

I'm not from those regions, so excuse my ignorance. What did he do in Mudug?

In the early 80's the Kacaan officals met with all clans in mudug excluding MJ and offered them the chance to use all necessary force to crush Ethiopian forces and Ethiopian-backed militias:“waa idiin bannaan tahay naf iyo maalba, inaad dishaan oo dhacdaan oo naagahooda meher la’aan guursataan Cumar Maxamuud”.

Sacad military commanders & elders at the time, vehemently refused and this was the response of Caaqil Jaamac Seed “nooma bannaana, waa Muslim, waa Somaali, waa deris, waa xigto iyo xidid”.


In the late 1980s, when USC was formed and after SSDF-Kacaan peace agreement, Siad Barre out of desperation gave MJ the same offer; they came and slaughtered masakiin women, odayaal & schoolchildren in Dagaari, Gowlalo,Sadle-Higlo, Bandiiradley, Galinsor, Wargalo, Do'ol, Halimo, Go'ondalay and Galkayo, which led to Nus Qiyaamo as retaliation in 1991.