Even Spaulding acknowledges that it would take literally one Abbasi having children in the region to have more or less every Sudani have some degree of Abbasi heritage. On the topic of Ibrahim Ja'al, every single Arab tribe in the Sudan unanimously agrees that he was an Abbasi, Ibrahim Ja'al himself was very wealthy - which would track with a chief of the vaunted Abbasi tribe, various Arab contemporary sources state that several tribes of Quraysh were making their way into the Sudan such as the Banu Umayya, the obvious hostility of Fatimid authorities towards Abbasis, etc all point to Ibrahim Ja'al's lineage very likely being legitimate.
The Origin of the Sudanese 'Africans'
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Even Spaulding acknowledges that it would take literally one Abbasi having children in the region to have more or less every Sudani have some degree of Abbasi heritage. On the topic of Ibrahim Ja'al, every single Arab tribe in the Sudan unanimously agrees that he was an Abbasi, Ibrahim Ja'al himself was very wealthy - which would track with a chief of the vaunted Abbasi tribe, various Arab contemporary sources state that several tribes of Quraysh were making their way into the Sudan such as the Banu Umayya, the obvious hostility of Fatimid authorities towards Abbasis, etc all point to Ibrahim Ja'al's lineage very likely being legitimate.
True but I credit Spaulding work for how it helps to better understand the Funj-era Islamic-Arab dualism that came to form and rapidly take over Sudan. Again, I'm not some sucker for Spaulding but his work is very useful in this area of research even if he isn't big on talking about J1.
Do you have any of these contemporary sources, I'd be interested to read some more about this.
I can see where we got FKD from nowIt's clear that Nilotes don't value their own lives either; I mean why would people continue to fight amongst themselves after going through such an ordeal?
Nilotes are easily the most violent people in Africa
I don't have them on hand but if you check out Yusuf Fadl Hasan's book he probably has references buried somewhere in there that you can dig through.
Anyhow, let's just be frank. The reason people love to question whether or not Sudanese Arabs are really 'Arabs' is because they have black skin. If the average Sudanese Arab was blonde with blue eyes I'd bet dollars to donuts that people would be talking about how they're the original pure Arabs, and Saudis would swear they had a Sudanese grandfather and talk about how Sudan is the second Arabian peninsula.
Easy. Check haplogroup J in Arab Sudanese tribes. Those who are I are maybe descendants of this guy. Those who aren't are local sheegato Nubians
Definitely agree. It's all about race. It's funny how much people still think Black and Arab likewise African and Arab are mutually exclusive. Despite this, I still personally feel Sudanese people are better of trying to revert to their native cultures and identities. Just like North Africans have amazigh culture to revert to when they wish, Sudan has the same. In my opinion a switch would be most beneficial for us.
Reverting to native cultures and identities will help nothing. Arabic is a language spoken by hundreds of millions that has international prestige, seminal works of literature and history and is fundamentally intertwined with Sudanese culture in the modern day. Reverting to some Nubian language or Kushite identity will not solve colorism, will not save the Sudanese economy, will not end tribal conflict in the region and make improving education and literacy in the region difficult as the pre-existing infrastructure is built to operate in Arabic and English.
Amazighs are an entirely different issue because Amazigh speakers are much more widespread in North Africa, have a history of being persecuted by Arab governments and had the historical sponsorship of France to help them reform the language and promote consciousness of an Amazigh identity. Arab immigration was also less significant in North Africa than it was in Sudan and Arabic has been supplanted to large extent by French in education and administration already.
Lmao I wasn't talking about dropping Arabic. Furthermore, we are Muslims, it is the language of the Holy Quran, we'd be asking Allah to throw us to hell fire if we deliberately drop the language and forcefully take it out of our lands. Also Arabic has benefited Sudan a lot as a lingua franca, with how diverse the country is, we NEED Arabic to remain a lingua franca. I have nothing against the Arabic language at all and Im for keeping it in Sudan, but I want native cultures that are slowly dying out to be revived, appreciated, and celebrated. I want Sudanese people those of them who are Non-Arab to embrace their indigenous heritage and those of them who belong to Arab tribes to find a perfect balance between putting themselves and their nation of people first whilst also acknowledging and being proud of their partial Arab heritage. I want what's best for Sudan.
We can uplift indigenous identities, cultures, and languages without tearing down the Arabic language and those who partially descend from Arabs. I am not planning to ethnically cleanse Sudanese Arabs, I want Sudanese people to show more appreciation for their African heritage that is indigenous to Sudan.
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