The Philosophy of Stoicism.

[Hodan from HR]

https://www.kitaaluma.co.ke/articles/stoicism-a-philosophical-solution-for-our-times/

This article talks about how practicing stoicism could be a solution for millenials and generation Z's increase in mental illness. Personally, I don't think we lack resilience. Each generation has their own struggles so we should not be compared.

I got this book from the library today as I am curious what the hype is about. It was recommended as a good starter to explore the philosophy of stoicism.

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Anyone familiar with this concept? What are your opinions on practicing stoicism?

 

[Samaalic Era]

https://www.kitaaluma.co.ke/articles/stoicism-a-philosophical-solution-for-our-times/

This article talks about how practicing stoicism could be a solution for millenials and generation Z's increase in mental illness. Personally, I don't think we lack resilience. Each generation has their own struggles so we should not be compared.

I got this book from the library today as I am curious what the hype is about. It was recommended as a good starter to explore the philosophy of stoicism.

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Anyone familiar with this concept? What are your opinions on practicing stoicism?

Somali nomads aswell as Somalis back home are naturally stoic

It had always been necessary for survival throughout Somali history

 

[astorecalledkmart]

Stoicism is a good philosophy for dealing with difficulty in life - there is no point in complaining about something you cannot change, so you may as well get on with it

The danger with stoicism is that it can kill empathy - as much as Marcus Aurelius is recognized today as one of the great stoic philosophers, his stoicism combined with his fervent atheism led to the massacre of countless Christians under his leadership

Most youth of today do not have the fortitude to become stoics - it is unique among philosophies in that it is somewhat self-selective, i.e., you must be "tough" in order to become a stoic

 

[Admin]

i just started reading Stillness Is the Key by Ryan Holiday after hearing him on a podcast. very informative so far.

 

[Medulla]

Without outright labelling it "stoicism" a lot of Somali men who follow sufism engage in the practice. I used to think it was due to them being emotionally distanted, but aspects of sufism encourage this sort of behaviour.

 

[Luciddreamer]

Stoicism is a good philosophy for dealing with difficulty in life - there is no point in complaining about something you cannot change, so you may as well get on with it

The danger with stoicism is that it can kill empathy - as much as Marcus Aurelius is recognized today as one of the great stoic philosophers, his stoicism combined with his fervent atheism led to the massacre of countless Christians under his leadership

Most youth of today do not have the fortitude to become stoics - it is unique among philosophies in that it is somewhat self-selective, i.e., you must be "tough" in order to become a stoic

Also the conditions and times back in those
days was way more difficult than now and this philosophy was much more suited.

Take a look at this gem of a channel @Tameable Qumayo if you're interested in more topics like these.

 

[astorecalledkmart]

Also the conditions and times back in those
days was way more difficult than now and this philosophy was much more suited.

Take a look at this gem of a channel @Tameable Qumayo if you're interested in more topics like these.

Yeah, agreed. Echoing what brother @Samaalic Era said, our people are naturally follow a unique blend of Islamic stoicism - combining the acceptance of the qadr ordained by Allah SWT with the mental toughness that stoicism offers. Combining the two enables us to maintain our humanity and mercy toward others while also allowing us to deal with the harsh realities of life

As an aside, good job @Tameable Qumayo - we need more threads like this

 

[bluebird]

thank you, I need to practice this. my emotions sit on the edge and can fly out at any moment. come to think of it, I've adopted the opposite philosophy, I let my tears flow anytime any where and don't try to hide them anymore lol.
I dont see how stoicism would help mental illnesses, won't that just internalize everything?

 

[DR OSMAN]

The early muslims were stoic I think, they didn't care what the world did good or evil, it was all considered knowledge, now if you talk about atheist or disbelief these soft cunts cry kkkk. They can't even handle being abused, why do u care if someone abuses mohamed, it's his right to abuse them, mohamed was abused right to his face when he was alive.

I don't like the special status they give him, he may of left us message of god(which I am still trying to understand deeply) using 'ancient texts' from when Islam was good time period and different philosophies like(mutazila) because deep down I think Islam is just hijacked by the wrong 'philosophy' it needs more a 'realism' and 'get on with it' nigga attitude and don't buckle, that's the type of god I want, not a god that teaches me to sit there crying about atheists or christians. I don't want a god telling me to be afraid of ribbah, murder, selling human organs, as long as I see something happening in the world, I consider it new 'knowledge' and I don't morally decide anything is right or wrong because one day u may need to use it.

Like killing is bad it happens everyday no-one buckles and cries but niggas cry if you talk about ribbah banking. For example killing is a knowledge, beng a stoic I would be like 'damn thats new and knowledge' I wouldn't reach a moral conclusion at all to say 'its bad or god' I would conclude 'maybe one day u may need it' so be undecided. Fsst foward 10 years later and some nigga has a gun on me what if I wasn't prepared for the knowledge of killing? I would be suckered and be dead. Im survivalist and we drop morals, or else it can get u killed and your society.

Thats why I preach we need to do ribbah banking on survival ground not moral grounds, im not saying its good or bad thing but in order to survive the world economy you need to do it and if your god says I have to die just because something is haram thats not my fucking god because I will live the whole point of life is to live. That's when I rejected mainstream islam and refuse to go to their mosques anymore and read about ancient islam to inspire me

 

[Omar del Sur]

the whole point of life is to live.

And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.

-Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51:56

 

[Luciddreamer]

The early muslims were stoic I think, they didn't care what the world did good or evil, it was all considered knowledge, now if you talk about atheist or disbelief these soft cunts cry kkkk. They can't even handle being abused, why do u care if someone abuses mohamed, it's his right to abuse them, mohamed was abused right to his face when he was alive.

I don't like the special status they give him, he may of left us message of god(which I am still trying to understand deeply) using 'ancient texts' from when Islam was good time period and different philosophies like(mutazila) because deep down I think Islam is just hijacked by the wrong 'philosophy' it needs more a 'realism' and 'get on with it' nigga attitude and don't buckle, that's the type of god I want, not a god that teaches me to sit there crying about atheists or christians. I don't want a god telling me to be afraid of ribbah, murder, selling human organs, as long as I see something happening in the world, I consider it new 'knowledge' and I don't morally decide anything is right or wrong because one day u may need to use it.

Like killing is bad it happens everyday no-one buckles and cries but niggas cry if you talk about ribbah banking. For example killing is a knowledge, beng a stoic I would be like 'damn thats new and knowledge' I wouldn't reach a moral conclusion at all to say 'its bad or god' I would conclude 'maybe one day u may need it' so be undecided. Fsst foward 10 years later and some nigga has a gun on me what if I wasn't prepared for the knowledge of killing? I would be suckered and be dead. Im survivalist and we drop morals, or else it can get u killed and your society.

Thats why I preach we need to do ribbah banking on survival ground not moral grounds, im not saying its good or bad thing but in order to survive the world economy you need to do it and if your god says I have to die just because something is haram thats not my fucking god because I will live the whole point of life is to live. That's when I rejected mainstream islam and refuse to go to their mosques anymore and read about ancient islam to inspire me

Tldr


Jk I will force myself to read this subxanallah

 

[Luciddreamer]

The early muslims were stoic I think, they didn't care what the world did good or evil, it was all considered knowledge, now if you talk about atheist or disbelief these soft cunts cry kkkk. They can't even handle being abused, why do u care if someone abuses mohamed, it's his right to abuse them, mohamed was abused right to his face when he was alive.

I don't like the special status they give him, he may of left us message of god(which I am still trying to understand deeply) using 'ancient texts' from when Islam was good time period and different philosophies like(mutazila) because deep down I think Islam is just hijacked by the wrong 'philosophy' it needs more a 'realism' and 'get on with it' nigga attitude and don't buckle, that's the type of god I want, not a god that teaches me to sit there crying about atheists or christians. I don't want a god telling me to be afraid of ribbah, murder, selling human organs, as long as I see something happening in the world, I consider it new 'knowledge' and I don't morally decide anything is right or wrong because one day u may need to use it.

Like killing is bad it happens everyday no-one buckles and cries but niggas cry if you talk about ribbah banking. For example killing is a knowledge, beng a stoic I would be like 'damn thats new and knowledge' I wouldn't reach a moral conclusion at all to say 'its bad or god' I would conclude 'maybe one day u may need it' so be undecided. Fsst foward 10 years later and some nigga has a gun on me what if I wasn't prepared for the knowledge of killing? I would be suckered and be dead. Im survivalist and we drop morals, or else it can get u killed and your society.

Thats why I preach we need to do ribbah banking on survival ground not moral grounds, im not saying its good or bad thing but in order to survive the world economy you need to do it and if your god says I have to die just because something is haram thats not my fucking god because I will live the whole point of life is to live. That's when I rejected mainstream islam and refuse to go to their mosques anymore and read about ancient islam to inspire me

Just take the damn loan nigga damn.

 

[Luciddreamer]

This video is everything



Man I love academy of ideas

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Luciddreamer u can sit there saying it's good n bad, it's up to you don't push it on society like Islam does with halal/haram, it's people free will to decide, u have no right to intervene and decide for them. I am survivalist, how can I have morals, everything is knowledge in the world, I don't sit there being scared of it but learn and keep it in my repository in-case I need it one day. I even read dark-ages to see tactics I may be able to use in Somali civil war. Who cares as long as I survive and U die then I win and that's all that matter in life, I will explain your story to the masses because u caught feelings.

 

[Luciddreamer]

@Luciddreamer u can sit there saying it's good n bad, it's up to you don't push it on society like Islam does with halal/haram, it's people free will to decide, u have no right to intervene and decide for them. I am survivalist, how can I have morals, everything is knowledge in the world, I don't sit there being scared of it but learn and keep it in my repository in-case I need it one day. I even read dark-ages to see tactics I may be able to use in Somali civil war. Who cares as long as I survive and U die then I win and that's all that matter in life, I will explain your story to the masses because u caught feelings.

Dont misunderstand, I was annoyed to read the whole book your wrote only to find out that it had to do with ribba?

Kkkkkk sxb do what you want life to short
to think about such petty matters

 

[Radical]

It's important to consider how Stoics handled their emotions.

It's easy to assume that they used raw willpower to overcome and defeat their emotions with raw logic, but that is not the case. Usually fighting against your own thoughts and feelings does not end well; you end up with an increasingly powerful series of repressed urges that beg to break out, and you ultimately externalize that struggle of internal control onto the people/things around you. Like punching holes through the wall or worse your wife

In actuality, what the Stoics did was when an emotion pops up and attempts to influence you, all you have to do is notice it and calculate the risk/reward factor that conclude to wether the emotion is worth having or not, Such a process sounds easy, but most people can't do it until after they're already angry or depressed -- at which point they've already given the feeling control over their conscious experience.

it's about having awareness of the things you have control over and accepting/not dwelling on the situations which are out of your grasp, that is what the Stoics practiced. Once you can tell that an influential emotion has become existent in the present moment and is a separate entity from you, it's not very difficult to just let the thought go.

 

[Al Kafi]

How much does the book cost?

 

[VixR]

Stoicism of someone like Marcus Aurelius who time moved slowly for, even if he did have all the responsibilities of a Roman emperor, is not the stoicism required of someone living in today’s fast-paced, multi-faceted input type world.

I think it’s a useful tool/mindset, but less potent, and less applicable. I do think people are mentally weaker (coddled), but they’re also more removed from nature, and dealing with different stressors than the type we evolved to handle, so it sort of balances out.

 

[Mckenzie]

Somali nomads aswell as Somalis back home are naturally stoic

It had always been necessary for survival throughout Somali history

So when a white guy writes a book about it, it's celebrated and encouraged. When a black man is stoic, it's called emotional unavailability and toxic masculinity

 

[Radical]

Stoicism of someone like Marcus Aurelius who time moved slowly for, even if he did have all the responsibilities of a Roman emperor, is not the stoicism required of someone living in today’s fast-paced, multi-faceted input type world.

I think it’s a useful tool/mindset, but less potent, and less applicable. I do think people are mentally weaker (coddled), but they’re also more removed from nature, and dealing with different stressors than the type we evolved to handle, so it sort of balances out.

Marcus was fighting multiple wars while his country was going through a deadly plague all while having a terrible wife who treated him harshly, Another great stoic is Epictetus who was a slave and endured all types of hardships, I'd say that's more stressful than thinking about what job I'm gonna have.