The Red Sea Communist Federation

Would you've been for this Federation (VOTE AFTER READING THREAD)

  • No - It's all about full independence

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Yes- As long as the Somalis had all their land.

    Votes: 5 71.4%

  • Total voters
    7
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In march 1977 3 months before the Ogaden war commenced, Fidel castro invited Siad barre, Mengistu, and Rubai Ali (Presedent of south yemen) to Aden.
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Barre and Castro
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Castro and Mengistu

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Rubai and Castro

They all convened in Aden, Mengistu arriving latest. Castro was the first to speak and he plainly said that it'd be foolish for Communist/Socialists states in the same region to be fighting. He demanded that they each stop the propaganda against each other and to stop supporting each other's rebels. Calling for a federation between the three states. Castro also proposed that a joint communist state in the region could easily coerce the french territory of Djibouti to join the federation the moment it became independent. He called it a "Pax Sovietica", a soviet peace in the horn; bringing about it's golden age.

Supreme revolutionary council (Kacaan)

Provisional Military Administrative Council (Th Derg)

Supreme People's Council (South Yemen)

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in the 1970s Fidel Castro also proposed a communist federation of Ethiopia, Somalia, and South Yemen. The proposed union would have a total GDP of $212 billion and sit along one of the world’s most important maritime trade routes.

Mengistu had previously agreed to the federation and said it was a good idea, but changed his mind after the meeting in Aden. Siad Barre also agreed to the Federation, but with one condition. That the Somali regions of Somalia, the Ogaden and Djibouti become one joint state of the federation with the arabs and Ethiopians.

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The Yemeni President was also keen on listening to the proposals and wasn't opposing it. The meeting was sabotaged by the right hand man of Rubia Ali, abdul fattah ismail who was the leader of the legislative party in Yemen. He jumped in and accused Siad barre of stealing Ethiopian land, the Yemeni president shut him up, but it was already too late. The meeting was chaotic after that. They all agreed to convene again tomorrow for a second day meeting, but literally no one but the Yemenis and Somalis showed up, Mengistu left at night and didn't tell anyone, then Castro left that morning. So Siad Barre and the Somali delegation left that after noon. All parties deciding to go to war.

I myself wouldn't have opposed the Federation as long the Somali regions were joined and made up one state as proposed.
It would've been interesting to see.
The total armed forces if the Rebels all gave up and joined forces with Ethiopia, Somalia, and South Yemen back then would've been around 600,000 active personal, which today would bee around 1,500,000 active personal. Combine that with utter total domination of the red sea and all it's ports, would've been one hell of a super power to reckoned with.

Here's an Article written in the washington post in 1977 talking about this proposed federation
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...871-b0e9-7b53588dca72/?utm_term=.a6656412ae4e
 

lalayariis

Bad cop
It depends, yes w/o Yemen as it would be too much of a mess to deal with the Middle East. At the same time, I have a feeling Somalia would’ve been screwed over. Maybe Somalia should’ve joined to get back Ogaden, then automatically declared independence.:lolbron:

Since there is going to be an East African federation soon, I would like it if HOA and North Sudan made a sort of alliance/federation. I also would like to regain NFD before that time comes, because it would be a lost cause when they combine.
 

Crow

Make Hobyo Great Again
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I can't believe I've never heard of this. I hate Ethiopia and I'm not a fan of Yemen but I would actually support this.

There's no way that such a union would last as we are just too different. However, in the event of a civil war or otherwise, we would able to take the opportunity to secede with all of Somaliweyn.

But it was all ruined by one doqon with a big mouth.
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It depends, yes w/o Yemen as it would be too much of a mess to deal with the Middle East. At the same time, I have a feeling Somalia would’ve been screwed over. Maybe Somalia should’ve joined to get back Ogaden, then automatically declared independence.:lolbron:

Since there is going to be an East African federation soon, I would like it if HOA and North Sudan made a sort of alliance/federation. I also would like to regain NFD before that time comes, because it would be a lost cause when they combine.

There was an Arab block in this as well, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Syria we're all pushing Arab Unity. They had their own plan to dominate the Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea, Indian Ocean off the Somali cost, Bab al Mandab, Guld of Aden, Red Sea, Gulf of Aqaba, Gulf of Suaz, Suaz Canal, and The East Mediterranean Sea. They wanted to dominate all the water routes in the middle east
I'll do a separate thread on their plan
 
I would not support this with a gun on my head. I feel sorry for Ogadens who are being attacked by Ethiopians every day. Imagine this happening on a larger scale. We should never share a country with Habeshas unless they are under our control.
 
I would not support this with a gun on my head. I feel sorry for Ogadens who are being attacked by Ethiopians every day. Imagine this happening on a larger scale. We should never share a country with Habeshas unless they are under our control.
Who said they wouldn't be under our control, every "Federation" has clear leaders and it'd be up to Somalis to dominate the Federation politically and Economically and militarily. Somalis would control almost all the shipping routes and ports, and have the biggest land area.
 

Von

With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
Gain our land, secede when the 'federation collapses because no way in hell would it last and all without shooting a single bullet :leon:
 
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