Always know that you've been robbed by your grandparents or your parents generations. But they will never addit what they stole from you. They will never tell you the Somalia they experienced before the war. They will never tell you how liberal Somali society was. This what there lives where like and this is what they stole from you
The Somalia the taken from you
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Ashraf
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I don’t know if Somalia is fixable. It would be a Herculean task to even get Somalia to a mid tier African nation. We have two generations (30 years) of uneducated people back home born during an era of famine and civil war who know nothing but qabil. Social cohesion is non existent, the entire landmass is hyper militarised and clan skirmishes are all too common. There is no concept of somalinimo back home, only in the diaspora, and then we have people trying to even exclude themselves from the Somali label. Warlords, drugs, nepotism, radicalism, famine. Life among Somalis, industrial level warfare over barren land and still having an ego the size of a first world nation.
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Never mix ai slop with that time period.
we have the luck of our whole population being super young because we are a shithole. so most of the big issues in the thoughts of the people back home could be fixed in a generation of mandatory primary school.
Idilinaa
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You don't need AI iteration of Kacaan era to see Somalis living normal lives in Somalia's capital.
Somalia has come a long way in just a decade or so, despite the political and economic sabatoge by the outside world. It bounces back because the people stay committed and resilient.
You can go to Mogadishu today and witness people are enjoying tea outside socializing , visiting coffee shops, attending mosques, visiting cinemas, parks, packed beaches, bowling etc
I always remember the reality that @Three Moons painted.
He is right , visible to anyone who visits
Somalia has come a long way in just a decade or so, despite the political and economic sabatoge by the outside world. It bounces back because the people stay committed and resilient.
You can go to Mogadishu today and witness people are enjoying tea outside socializing , visiting coffee shops, attending mosques, visiting cinemas, parks, packed beaches, bowling etc
I always remember the reality that @Three Moons painted.
He is right , visible to anyone who visits
NordicSomali
VIP
You guys are assuming that people in Somalia are complaining about this. People there are religious and conservative. They want a developed Somalia, yes, but not by compromising its Islamic and conservative nature. They want to conserve and preserve but on certain conditions.
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mogadishu is basically where all the money goes to, same with hargeisa. somalis have an issue of putting all the money in the capital instead of using that money more wisely in education, health and military spending. al-shabaab literally bombed a hotel in Mogadishu a year ago i'd hardly consider that as an ideal vacation destination. the veneer of growth is very thin and using pictures of the capital to say that somalia is in a good state is very disingenuous especially when we keep getting record droughts and have internally displaced camps with hundreds of thousands of people.
Idilinaa
VIP
Not true at all. The same companies, firms and business in Mogadishu or Hargeisa or even Garowe are operational in other parts of the country, in villages, small towns etc and they even invest in other Somali regions as well, economic activity is decentralized in Somalia and the money is spread out even into smaller rural areas.
Investments goes to education, health care, electricity, water , road , streetlight or other public infrastructure and its usually diaspora or local bank/business that that invest in it.
That's why you have many many different electricity companies, many different water companies, many private schools, private hospitals, construction firms and so on.
Major cities have more stuff and economic activity happening in them , it is true in every country. You don't go to New York and then see how smaller less active Maine is and assume all the money goes there
Natural disasters like flooding or environmental degradation etc that displace people into IDP camps is outside of peoples control and yet you still have Somali private businesses and conglomerates , donating large sums of money, land and building public permanent housing for the displaced people.
So Somalis are addressing the problem themselves.
This wouldn't be possible if wealth was monopolized or concentrated in one place. There are many such examples.
The priorities of Somalis is to create economic development, supply basice services and opportunities first for the citizens and use that to create more stability. Not to make Mogadishu into a tourist friendly destination.
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People on here are so negative, just ignore them, at the end of the day, their words are far from reality, and they’re only harming themselves, with that mindset.
NordicSomali
VIP
People here are looking from outside and in, it’s the people of Somalia who have the moral authority to shape their fate. I live in Scandinavia and the best I can do is to give advice, its people “down there” who have to live with the consequences of that advice, same for everyone outside.
Idilinaa
VIP
We can discuss challenges and problems i take no issue with that. But we should be balanced and factual, give credit where credit is due, if Somalis are making meaningful progress and developments then be able to speak about and share it.
I can't blame them too much, because there is a lot of misleading, misinformation or down right selective biased media reporting about Somalia, only taking interest in reporting about it's problems and not it's successes and gains. So they might not be aware of it.
In reality there is a lot of positive developments happening everyday and large numbers of people live normal decent lives inside the country. So if they stay too invested in the grim narratives they will miss out on the growing wealth, experiences, ideas and opportunities that are out there.
This is what I meant by Somalis where liberal
school children in the 70's
women police force training
girl basketball team
Average family pictures
school children in the 70's
women police force training
girl basketball team
Average family pictures
My family lived in poverty before the war and they dont really have positive stories from that time, so I don’t feel like I missed out on anything. On the contrary, I feel grateful that I wasn't born and raised there. If I had been, I would likely have been married off as a teenager and spend my life in hardship with a man i hate , raising children while still being a child myself.
That the story that they hide behind sxb so you won't question anything. You've been feed lies
Idilinaa
VIP
The poverty part would be highly unlikely as the Pre-90s government gave housing, job opportunities, free schooling, ensured people had access to basic services and safe guarded people. There wasn't much extreme poverty either.
Women in Somalia had a lot of economic independence, just as they do today, they own properities, businesses, control finances etc . Somali women have strong family and community support
People in isolated incidents or people in desperate situations born out natural disasters or political instability are not part of some widespread cultural normality, you wont be forced to marry anyone or raise a child.
i have family members that were forced to marry or married as teens during that time . Most of the women in my family were either illiterate or married off before they finished education so dont just dismiss what i stated people come from different realities and situations . Everything wasnt sunshine and rainbow during that time.
Don't take them seriously.
Kacaanists have a tendency of saying "nuh uh" whenever faced with evidence or accounts of their heroes' crimes and shortcomings.
that is the family of the former president of somalia, definitely not an average family and not during the kacaan. also it wasn't like this utopia, other communist countries were industrializing at the point when our communist government did nothing. i will however concede they were great for somali literature. i found that most good somali novels were published at that time.
