The Somaliland conundrum

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waraabe

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Somaliland is a figment of your imagination. It does not exist. I don't even know what you are talking about.
Yet your people are begging to join :ftw9nwa::ftw9nwa::frdfvsb:

You sound like a rejected girl who refuses to acknowledge her rejection :yloezpe:
 
If Somaliland gets independence it will turn into another authoritarian shithole dictatorship like Eritrea and Djibouti. It will most definitely not be a success story of a nation.
How do you know this?

EDIT: just saw your comment on one tribe having higher IQ than another. Don't answer that. I'm out. :O27GWRK:
 
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Thegoodshepherd

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This guy is apparently hawiye and he supports Isaac due to qabyalad yet claim they're for somalinimo yet support somalidiid personally Hawiye are the biggest somalidiid. Tell us their cuqdad ridden Moryan how is it the rest of Somalia can't force Isaac yet Isaac can force other tribes like samaroon, dhulbhante? No tribe is stronger than the other & this IRIR card many daroods are waking up to it your hypocrisy is unraveling, the jig is up. Yes Somalia is divided into qabil and no tribe can force another, somalinimo is dead & buried and you killed it the moment you massacred innocent women & children in their own capital cause of the actions of a dictator Isaac did the same in borama & las canood. Darood need to wake up & see the enmity that these people harbour one is somalidiid the other is for "Somalinimo" yet support each other cause of qabyalad.

What we must understand is that both Hawiye and Isaaq have a direct interest in a divided Darood. Darood loyalty across the former British border for Isaaq and the creation of a Darood federal state directly to the south for Hawiye, are both things they would like to see go away. They are natural allies, nothing in common but having Darood as an enemy. If I were Hawiye, I would be for Somaliland independence because it reduces the numbers of Darood in Somalia, while having no effect on Hawiye numbers and representation.

The simplest way to cripple both Hawiye and Isaaq is to consolidate even more power in DDSI. Why? That is the source of much of their livelihoods. Darood live along the Webi Shabelle for 400 km from Imey to Qalaafe, I would settle tens of thousands along that stretch and provided them with water pumps and free fuel. This would mean the destruction of the farmland upon which the Hawiye depend further downstream. Lower/Middle Shabelle and some of Hiraan would become useless overnight if we managed to do this right. This would also have the effect of creating a market for the food that is now being produced by us upstream. As for the Isaaq the biggest blow would be the redirection of livestock exports from DDSI to Bosaso rather than Berbera. This would have the effect of starving them of revenue with which to wage war against us, and would strengthen Puntland simultaneously. There are a lot of things to be done, what we need is cooperation between the Darood of Ethiopia with those of Somalia. The key to all of this is the government of DDSI by people who believe in these goals. Abdi Iley seems to be going that way, so who knows.
 

waraabe

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What we must understand is that both Hawiye and Isaaq have a direct interest in a divided Darood. Darood loyalty across the former British border for Isaaq and the creation of a Darood federal state directly to the south for Hawiye, are both things they would like to see go away. They are natural allies, nothing in common but having Darood as an enemy. If I were Hawiye, I would be for Somaliland independence because it reduces the numbers of Darood in Somalia, while having no effect on Hawiye numbers and representation.

The simplest way to cripple both Hawiye and Isaaq is to consolidate even more power in DDSI. Why? That is the source of much of their livelihoods. Darood live along the Webi Shabelle for 400 km from Imey to Qalaafe, I would settle tens of thousands along that stretch and provided them with water pumps and free fuel. This would mean the destruction of the farmland upon which the Hawiye depend further downstream. Lower/Middle Shabelle and some of Hiraan would become useless overnight if we managed to do this right. This would also have the effect of creating a market for the food that is now being produced by us upstream. As for the Isaaq the biggest blow would be the redirection of livestock exports from DDSI to Bosaso rather than Berbera. This would have the effect of starving them of revenue with which to wage war against us, and would strengthen Puntland simultaneously. There are a lot of things to be done, what we need is cooperation between the Darood of Ethiopia with those of Somalia. The key to all of this is the government of DDSI by people who believe in these goals. Abdi Iley seems to be going that way, so who knows.

Excuses after excuses. Truth is no qabiil is as United as darod, in fact both Isaaq and hawiye had civil wars between themselves while darod remained united and allied. So this "we need to wake up and unite" is nothing more then bullshit. In fact, it is isaaq who needs to wake up and start treating you like the enemies you are. You have been treated with kiddie gloves since 1991 but thankfully Isaaq is waking up now. Somali galbeed is not only darod, and as said will be divided between the people that inhabit it. As for bosaso port, it had 25 years of not seeing a single bullet let alone war and yet still far behind. That is a price that darod needs others more then anyone else because you aren't self sufficient like others
 

Thegoodshepherd

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Excuses after excuses. Truth is no qabiil is as United as darod, in fact both Isaaq and hawiye had civil wars between themselves while darod remained united and allied. So this "we need to wake up and unite" is nothing more then bullshit. In fact, it is isaaq who needs to wake up and start treating you like the enemies you are. You have been treated with kiddie gloves since 1991 but thankfully Isaaq is waking up now. Somali galbeed is not only darod, and as said will be divided between the people that inhabit it. As for bosaso port, it had 25 years of not seeing a single bullet let alone war and yet still far behind. That is a price that darod needs others more then anyone else because you aren't self sufficient like others

Darood cannot be as politically united as Hawiye or Isaaq for the simple reason of geography. Ethiopia took most of our best lands and more than 50% of our population. It also divided Darood in Somalia in two halves. Our two biggest cities, Garissa and Jigjiga, are both outside Somalia. We are divided politically much more than either Hawiye or Isaaq due to how the colonialists and Ethiopia drew the borders. The dependence of Hawiye on water which transits Darood lands and of Isaaq on exporting Darood livestock is very much real. The Hawiye have it worse in that they stand to lose their only permanent source of water, while the Isaaq would only lose about half or 60% of Berbera's revenue. It is true that we are enemies, which is why Darood giving you the revenue to wage war against other Darood is so pernicious.
 

waraabe

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Darood cannot be as politically united as Hawiye or Isaaq for the simple reason of geography. Ethiopia took most of our best lands and more than 50% of our population. It also divided Darood in Somalia in two halves. Our two biggest cities, Garissa and Jigjiga, are both outside Somalia. We are divided politically much more than either Hawiye or Isaaq due to how the colonialists and Ethiopia drew the borders. The dependence of Hawiye on water which transits Darood lands and of Isaaq on exporting Darood livestock is very much real. The Hawiye have it worse in that they stand to lose their only permanent source of water, while the Isaaq would only lose about half or 60% of Berbera's revenue. It is true that we are enemies, which is why Darood giving you the revenue to wage war against other Darood is so pernicious.

Simple, no other clan is as United as darod. Siyaad barre killed mj yet they faught for him in 1991. Isaaq had big a civil war, hawiye had civil war too while darod were united, in fact look at it liyuu police who we are led to believe is controlled from Addis Ababa only attacks non darods. All darod were fighting hg few months ago while other hawiye weren't supporting hg much. The simple truth is this is the best it gets for darod, you are United yet still short when it comes to other clans. Isaaq may have Somaliland but they are very disunited in their midst.
The geography excuse doesn't fly either as there is nothing preventing people from moving across borders. In fact liyuu cross the border to help you all the time

If Isaaq was to be united like darod then better know that things would be very different.

Time to face the harsh reality sxb
 

Thegoodshepherd

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The simple truth is this is the best it gets for darod, you are United yet still short when it comes to other clans.

I totally disagree. Darood have not even started to transition out of nomadism, while Hawiye and Isaaq have urbanized to a great extent. We have potential that is not present for Isaaq or Hawiye, and that is the development of our lands. The transition of Darood from nomadism to agriculture will change Somalia forever. Meanwhile, your people will be stuck in a desert until yowm al qiyaama.

A tough thing to accept, but true.
 
@waraabe Don't take the ravings of this former dadaab dweller seriously sxb. He doesn't know his daddy and even claimed he is an oromo sheegato that was assimilated into Darod and not a blood descendant of the clan patriarch. Not even his fellow MJs on this site believe in Darodism and only want to secure their own Puntland independence.


It's best to laugh at the fantasies of the oromo-carab mutts and just continue on. They don't even warrant a response. Let them dream. :hemad:
 

waraabe

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@waraabe Don't take the ravings of this former dadaab dweller seriously sxb. He doesn't know his daddy and even claimed he is an oromo sheegato that was assimilated into Darod and not a blood descendant of the clan patriarch. Not even his fellow MJs on this site believe in Darodism and only want to secure their own Puntland independence.


It's best to laugh at the fantasies of the oromo-carab mutts and just continue on. They don't even warrant a response. Let them dream. :hemad:

I like to entertain dem folks
 
Gabaweyn are not even beesha according to many reports from even the boon elders themselves.

Even if that were the case, this is still cutting-edge state-of-the-art real-estate in Gedo:

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Savages gain power and chase out the civilized all the time. Unfortunately, the savages don't know what to do with the land and remain in a state of stagnation.

Ilmo Jaberti, why aren't you capable of building any kind of civilization without any kind of foreign assistance? Inb4 the pictures of shacks they call palaces that are only one step above those mud-huts and "WE WUZ KANGS". :drakelaugh:

Until you stop asking your masters for protection from the other Lamagodley clans and can defend yourselves, keep dreaming sxb.

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Cagdheer and boons don't want you and will gladly sell you off to the other clans to gain favor with them. There is no Darodism. Your clan is a confederation of Oromo wecels who don't know their real father is.

Defend your barren wasteland from a sub-sub-sub clan of Hawiye before you start talking about wild fantasies in battling the largest tribe in Africa. :russ:

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kkkkk the dhabacyo is triggered. There is no going "back". It is because of beesha and our cousins that stands in the way of the ethnic cleansing of your Oromo wecel brethren. Hawiye would eat you alive again if it weren't for my people.

How long until you protest and ask for AMISOM/KDF assistance against the tiny Hawiye sub-sub-sub clan in Puntland? Ilmo jabarti are an endangered species and we believe wholeheartedly in their preservation. :hemad:


Sadly you all are only keyboard warriors and wouldn't even say half the words you feel comfortable saying here. This isn't the 15th century where you can pick off a sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub of beesha in a tiny region and their brethren across the continent are largely unaware. Act up, and your elite know full well the next Utanga will be in Yemen and you will become the new muwallad midgaans caste of Yemen. :russ:
 

TheLibertarianQuiche

Quintessentially negroid: Your problem?
How long until you protest and ask for AMISOM/KDF assistance against the tiny Hawiye sub-sub-sub clan in Puntland? Ilmo jabarti are an endangered species and we believe wholeheartedly in their preservation. :hemad:

Puntland is the only place that doesn't rely on anyone else for security. Somaliland relies on us and everywhere else has AMISOM and fufus.

Kulahaa KDF, sort them out in your degaans. Jubbaland is full to the brim with fufus.
 

TheLibertarianQuiche

Quintessentially negroid: Your problem?
Simple, no other clan is as United as darod.

1. Marehan support Galmudug
2. Dhulos iyo Warsengeli support Galmudug
3. Majeerteen are divided, Issa Mahmud and Omar Mahmud
4. The only people united are Omar Mahmud and Leelkase

Meanwhile Isaaq are all united under one state in Somalia and after 25 years still haven't seceded.

Somaliland is never going to be independent and never will be. The only reason why it got so far was off the back of instability in Somalia. Now that is over, the stronger Somalia gets the weaker secession gets.

Learn that and stop dreaming. How many years does it take for you to understand that SL is never happening.
 
When did I say this?

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about your wecel Oromo "cousin" (who claims you but doesn't have the blood to prove it) @Thegoodshepherd

Puntland is the only place that doesn't rely on anyone else for security. Somaliland relies on us and everywhere else has AMISOM and fufus.

Kulahaa KDF, sort them out in your degaans. Jubbaland is full to the brim with fufus.

In all actuality, there is no beef between MJs like you and myself. I have no issue with you focusing on your independent nation of Puntland and forgetting about the rest of a, which is actually the agenda most of your people support. My issue is with these handful of sheegatos who proclaim Darodism and a fantasy of a Darod expansionist agenda when the failed ideology imploded and died back in the 90s and claiming lands they have nothing to do with.
 
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