This is humiliating

As others said, lip service is nothing if it means the Somali region can prosper. Other parts of Ethiopia are being set on fire by comparison.

I'm guess some here are forgetting that the Somali region was literally fighting Ethiopia for decades until 2018. This is the one and only time in its modern history where it is seeing genuine peace and development (save for those shitty Oromo/Afar border conflicts). Any pretense that Somalis are loyal to Ethiopia therefore are silly.

You saw Cagjar ask Somalis in Somali region if this at the JigJiga university recently.
IIRC, he also honored Siad Barre. The man definitely has some dignity as a Somali and doesn't truly believe in being Ethiopian like other states.
 
The somali region is not part of Ethiopia it just that Ethiopia government is just forcing to to part of it they are occuping Ogaden tru force and killing

They failed in conquering it , then went on a secret backdoor agreement with the British to hand it over, fought the local resistance with the help of Americans and from then on the Somali region operated disconnected from Ethiopia at large and they barely administrated it. Ogadenians throughout was attached to Somalia
These are just the extra details. The K5 region is recognized as/ has been recognized internationally as a subregion of Ethiopia. The regional government also exists within that Ethiopian political framework.
I'm not saying anything new here
:ohno:
 
These are just the extra details. The K5 region is recognized as/ has been recognized internationally as a subregion of Ethiopia. The regional government also exists within that Ethiopian political framework.
I'm not saying anything new here
:ohno:
Even if it is recognized as a subregion of Ethiopia we do not see ourselves as Ethiopian or a part of Ethiopia at all. One moment they are nice to us the next moment they kill us and take our lands.
Don’t let a couple fools make you believe they’re pro Ethiopia. This is exactly what abiy wants us to believe. And it’s clearly working since y’all are calling them oromos & whatnot.
Exactly. They've pillaged and destroyed most of our families theres deep mistrust. We are proud Somalis. Ive never seen a somali from that region call themselves a Somali Ethiopian.
The somali region is not part of Ethiopia it just that Ethiopia government is just forcing to to part of it they are occuping Ogaden tru force and killing
Yup we do not want to have anything to do with them but we cant do anything as they have international backing and funding. And they will kill you and your family. We've already lost too much families.
 
Even if it is recognized as a subregion of Ethiopia we do not see ourselves as Ethiopian or a part of Ethiopia at all. One moment they are nice to us the next moment they kill us and take our lands.

Somalis in the K5 deserve the much needed investment into the region and it is the responsibility of the Ethiopian federal government to deliver that. They spent the better half of the last century fighting the Somali separatist movements and brutalizing the people living there - now that a peace deal was signed by all parties, we expect to see the Ethiopian federal govt delivering on their part of the deal.

I know somalis living in the 'Somali galbeed' see themselves as Somali, our very own hypernationalist president Siad Barre even hails from this region
 
These are just the extra details. The K5 region is recognized as/ has been recognized internationally as a subregion of Ethiopia. The regional government also exists within that Ethiopian political framework.
I'm not saying anything new here
:ohno:

That region operated more or less detached from Ethiopia and they were on a constant war to liberate themselves. That's what i am saying.

You can say on paper or on a map it was as seen as part of Ethiopia but in reality it didn't operate like it was.

Also i think you and others are missing the point of what Ogadenians fought for, it wasn't against the concept of ''Ethiopian identity'' or simply having hatred for them. Or Somali nationalism.

It was about development of their region, self-governance , political inclusion and freedom. You hear this expressed by Makhtal Dahir the leader of NasrAllah liberation movement.
He says:
"We wanted our freedom. It was impossible to seek it through democratic means in a country where there is no free speech and no political party machinery, where expeditions are sent to collect taxes by force — seizing camels and mil-let crops. When we asked the Emperor for internal self-government, he threatened to shoot 180 Somali chiefs. He had an inkling what we were up to, and tried to impose a new head tax on cattle. Quran schools were ordered closed, and the laws allowed for one wife and no divorce. All this interfered with Muslim Somali traditions; and as leaders, we were expected to execute this policy. We discussed it and decided to pull out. When the Ethiopians discovered our opposition, they intended to arrest all of us. But by that time we had gone into hiding, where we formed the Liberation Government."

You see this echoed in the letter sent to the British and the United Nations where Ogaden leader wrote a petition against the transfer of their region

''Ethiopia is not in a position to develop our country''
''As we have no voice in their government''


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And the same goes for the Ogaden War in 1977 , it wasn't about ''Greater Somalia'', it was about giving Somalis in Ogaden self-determination. You can see this shared by one of Siad Barre's advisors
Siad Barre wasn't trying to forcefully take Ogaden. See the advisor to Siad Barre explain:

''Somalia is not saying that Western Somali region must join it, But that it must be allowed to exercise it's right to self-determination, just as Djibouti was allowed to excercize her rights. Even if they choose to unite with Ethiopia or to be on their own - that will not be the concern of Somalia. Somalia only supports Western Somalia only in it's right to fight for independence''
 
As others said, lip service is nothing if it means the Somali region can prosper. Other parts of Ethiopia are being set on fire by comparison.

Exactly, they are in a improved situation. Plus if they approach this with long term perspective in mind , more development of their region will just result in more increased autonomy and in the case Ethiopia dissolves like Yugoslavia they can secede and operate functionally as a country of their own.
 

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