Thread on the history of Coffee (New Manuscripts Uncovered)

If they examined more of these Ethiopian christian chronicles they would probably see the same thing, instead of accepting what's in them blindly , they will see them as just fabricating events that never took place.

We have one such case where the Portuguese missionary Pedro Paez was shown the chronicles of Gelewados after it was written and it followed the same same Amda Seyeon epic fiction trope of an all conquering idealized King and they had to call BS on it. Because they couldn't sell them this lie as they were there to witness the war as it happened and remember what took place.

He never went to Awdal or the Muslim territories, nor did he conquere their lands. Infact the opposite happened Emir Nur succeeded Gurey persued him deep into the highlands and slayed him at his courts.

King Claudius, is latin rendering of Gelewadeos

Pedro Páez's History of Ethiopia, 1622 - Partie 2 - Page 17

''Not only did Emperor Claudio not do those things in [Chronicle) , Kingdom of Adel, but he never went there in his life. Nor did the Moors lose so much with Granh's defeat and death that they could not have defended themselves very well, had he gone there. Rather, the Moor who succeeded Granh as guazir silicet ''governor'' came from there with an army against Emperor Claudio a few years later and on giving battle, defeated and killed him not very far from where he had his court, as everyone says and his history recounts''

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And Emir Nur defeated him with very tiny army in comparison.

'' Owed God for the remarkable victory that He had given him...because his army had been incomparably smaller than the emperor''
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The corrections he makes is also confirmed in the local Muslim chronicle(Tarikh Al-Mulukh) referring to Emir Nur as the Second Conqueror, that more accurately described the events that followed.
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This is more less an eyewitness account as well "I personally saw the head of the King with my own eyes". I proves how reliable the muslim chronicles are in comparison.
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The same Gelewados chronicle also fabricates fantasy narrative that it conquered or invaded Mogadishu. He of course never went there in his life .
It's crazy how little progress has been made in the field since Cerulli's last major works in the 60's. It's been 60 years since then .
 
It's crazy how little progress has been made in the field since Cerulli's last major works in the 60's. It's been 60 years since then .

You could say the lack of progress is mainly due to regional politics and displacement.

Since you need a stable source of funding, resources , materials, institutional backing and stable environment to conduct your research in.
 
The coffee plant itself was first domesticated in Eastern Ethiopia basically Galbeed which a new scientific study actually reveals. So it was in the Muslim lands.

As the Eastern population of wild coffee was the primary source for domestication.

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Which makes sense to be honest those medieval sources talking about it originating in Land of Zayla, Bar Sa'Adin and Al-Jabarta don't just talk about a coffee culture but rather widespread cultivation or original crop cultivation center.
I think Somali traders can be credited for spreading it to Yemen and beyond but what is today SW Ethiopia is likely the ultimate origin. The wild gene pool shows the highest diversity in regions like Kaffa, Jimma, Sheka, Bench Maji.

This aligns perfectly with folktales and a linguistic clue that the the name “coffee” seemingly derives from the Kaffa province and Omotic-speaking Kafficho people. Some of you laugh at the Kaldi folktale but it's likely not a coincidence that these stories are mostly based in the Kafa and Jimma areas where as mentioned, the plant's genetic diversity seems to be the highest.

In fact, your own source seems to indicate that the Gesha region (majority Kafficho territory) as most amenable to domestication:

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The picture to me seems more like a West ---> East transfer and probably some subsequent gene-flow from Eastern species, perhaps even further domestication and cultivation giving rise to the modern variants rather than a totally independent eastern domestication:

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I think Somali traders can be credited for spreading it to Yemen and beyond but what is today SW Ethiopia is likely the ultimate origin. The wild gene pool shows the highest diversity in regions like Kaffa, Jimma, Sheka, Bench Maji.

This aligns perfectly with folktales and a linguistic clue that the the name “coffee” seemingly derives from the Kaffa province and Omotic-speaking Kafficho people. Some of you laugh at the Kaldi folktale but it's likely not a coincidence that these stories are mostly based in the Kafa and Jimma areas where as mentioned, the plant's genetic diversity seems to be the highest.

There is zero historical records that backs this up. The name coffee in European language is from Turkish Kahwe which is borrowed from Arabic Qahwa. It has no links to Kaffa province name.

And in Harar Ogaden regions they call it by the Somali name Buun.


In fact, your own source seems to indicate that the Gesha region (majority Kafficho territory) as most amenable to domestication:

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The picture to me seems more like a West ---> East transfer and probably some subsequent gene-flow from Eastern species, perhaps even further domestication and cultivation giving rise to the modern variants rather than a totally independent eastern domestication:

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The Eastern riftvalley is (eastern highlands (Harar) and Ogaden region) and Western side of riftvalley is where( Gesha, Kaffa) is located.

What they found in that study i linked in the first image you shared is that the Eastern coffee population split from the western one 30.000 years ago and the eastern descendant one is what was brought to Yemen after being domesticated whilst the western side remained wild.
They found that, around 30,000 years ago, the C. arabica populations on the eastern and western sides of the Great Rift Valley split.
The descendants of the plants on the eastern side were eventually brought to and cultivated at the future site of the Yemeni city of Mocha, while those on the western side remained wild.,
 
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