Time to end cousin marriages

[Gacmeey]

Do you want children with illnesses? I do not want my children suffering like that.

I mean you are always at risk of having kids with illnesses, cousin or no cousin.

 

[Doctorabdi]

It’s ok to dabble in it here and there but cousin marriage as a norm leads to recessed and sickly children.

Correct, it will all lead to recessed kids. Maybe not now but if your descendants keep this practice, then you family will be gone basically

 

[Doctorabdi]

I mean you are always at risk of having kids with illnesses, cousin or no cousin.
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So? Cousin Marriage is way higher to have risks more than anything. Very high and it will eventually lead to kids who are ill. That is a fact. Maybe not now but if your kids marry their cousins. It will. Case in point hasburgs

 

[Gacmeey]

So? Cousin Marriage is way higher to have risks more than anything. Very high and it will eventually lead to kids who are ill. That is a fact. Maybe not now but if your kids marry their cousins. It will. Case in point hasburgs

It’s absolutely is not high. It’s maybe a 3-4% percent increased risk. Idk in what world that is considered very high

 

[Doctorabdi]

It’s absolutely is not high. It’s maybe a 3-4% percent increased risk. Idk in what world that is considered very high

So? My point is still there if your family keeps on doing it it will lead to illness. Dabbling isn't more of a risk. Continuing is

 

[Doctorabdi]

Anyway, somalis don't generally do cousin marriage. Pakistanis do or arabs

 

[Nilotic]

Anyway, somalis don't generally do cousin marriage. Pakistanis do or arabs

I've known a lot of Somalis and I've never met a Somali that has married their 1st cousin; it's a Pakistani and Arab problem.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Sure, so is overeating and making yourself obese getting higher likely chances of heart ache and mobility problems. I use reason and logic being a muslim. We have this knowledge, that we have inherited through adam and hawa peace be upon them. I believe Islam is a logical religion it makes sense.

sharia > what you think.

also Islam is against overeating.

 

[Basra]

I take that back but I am strongly against cousin marriage, it's halal but ok so?

huuuno God gave u the choice to choose for yourself what is good for you

 

[Omar del Sur]

It’s also halal to eat mud. Doesn’t mean you should do it

I have no idea if that's halal. but no, there is nothing wrong with cousin marriage. and no human has any authority to "end cousin marriages" because this is against the sharia.

 

[Omar del Sur]

The problem, though, is that while kin marriage binds people more closely within ethnic groups, it simultaneously strengthens divides between groups — a truth noted by the British anthropologist Sir Jack Goody. This, in turn, permits the emergence of parallel values, animosities and rivalries. Joseph Henrich of Harvard has found that the higher the rate of cousin marriage in a nation, the higher the level of corruption, nepotism and poverty — and the lower the level of trust. This, of course, is the daily reality of sectarian societies from the Middle East to sub-Saharan Africa.

this is kind of silly. African and Middle Eastern countries are poor because... cousin marriage?

Correlation does not imply causation. African and Middle Eastern countries are also opposed to gay marriage, tend to be religious and tend to have dark skin. by the author's logic, you could just as easily blame lack of trannies, religiosity and dark skin. or hot weather!

 

[Omar del Sur]

Yemen is literally the poorest Country in the Arab world, so I imagine that there are millions of poor Yemenis.

Why on earth would anyone want to copy the Pakistanis and Arabs on this?

a lot of super rich people are Arabs and Pakistanis in the West tend to make a lot of money

 

[Nilotic]

a lot of super rich people are Arabs and Pakistanis in the West tend to make a lot of money

They're mostly not representative of their base population; they represent the educated middle-class of Pakistan

 

[reer]

They're mostly not representative of their base population; they represent the educated middle-class of Pakistan

i agree. because immigrating to america is harder for arabs than immigrating to europe. so the ones in europe you will see a lot of them in government housing and/or ghettos and much less home ownership than reer murika.

 

[Omar del Sur]

They're mostly not representative of their base population; they represent the educated middle-class of Pakistan

it could be that South Asians in India and Pakistan just don't have the same opportunities as the ones in the West due to no fault of their own. I don't think we should look down on people just because their country is poor.

 

[Nilotic]

it could be that South Asians in India and Pakistan just don't have the same opportunities as the ones in the West due to no fault of their own. I don't think we should look down on people just because their country is poor.

Yes, but I'm not looking down on them; I'm just presenting the facts as I know them

 

[Angelina]

Cousin marriages create wealth
stronger networking
Stronger marriages
Stronger family ties and more stable political ties
Your children don’t have identity crisis, know who they are
You’re not compeating with foreign values in the house so your goals for your children are easily met
For the women it’s safer and less likely to be abused as the man is held accountable by his and her family compared to her being separated
Vetting is much easier because you know not just the persons full history but their parents background
You have access to higher quality men and women than you would without it

those of you who are against qabill and cousin marriage will be used and stepped on by those who use it

it’s a competitive advantage


Have you ever seen a poor Yemen or Jew ?

Yes we’ve all seen poor Yemenis.
Come to the ME walal, Saudi in particular, to see them. I see poor Yemenis frequently.

The competitive advantages of cousin marriages aren’t worth it when it is done generations after generations and you have a high rate of children with special/intellectual disabilities.

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[Angelina]

I have no idea if that's halal. but no, there is nothing wrong with cousin marriage. and no human has any authority to "end cousin marriages" because this is against the sharia.

Omar, cousin marriages are halal indeed and no can ban it. Even scientifically, marrying your cousin as long as you don’t have frequent cousin marriages are fine. However generational cousin marriages are an issue and even Omar bin Khattab noted that it causes weak genes, so we should avoid the Asian/Arab culture of frequent cousin marriages.

After mentioning Ibn Salah’s verdict, Hafiz Iraqi does state that it was rather Sayyidina Umar who made such a statement, specifically in response to a certain family/tribe whose offspring were thin and weak. He said, “You all have become thin and weak, so marry outside the family.” [Iraqi, Takhrij Ahadith al-Ihya’]

Incidentally, this advice from Sayyidina Umar corresponds with current genetic research indicating that marriage to cousins in successive generations is associated with increased likelihood of disability in offspring.

Also, the Hanbalis in particular explicitly mention that it is recommended (mustahabb) for a man to marry outside the family, as doing so normally leads to healthier and stronger offspring. [Mawsu`a Kuwaitiyya]

Did the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) Discourage Marrying Cousins?

Answered by Shaykh Faraz A. Khan Question: Did the Prophet (peace be upon him) discourage marrying relatives (ie. cousins) even though it is lawful? Answer: Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah, I pray this finds you in the best of health and states. The short answer is that there are certain...

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[Omar del Sur]

Omar, cousin marriages are halal indeed and no can ban it. Even scientifically, marrying your cousin as long as you don’t have frequent cousin marriages are fine. However generational cousin marriages are an issue and even Omar bin Khattab noted that it causes weak genes, so we should avoid the Asian/Arab culture of frequent cousin marriages.

After mentioning Ibn Salah’s verdict, Hafiz Iraqi does state that it was rather Sayyidina Umar who made such a statement, specifically in response to a certain family/tribe whose offspring were thin and weak. He said, “You all have become thin and weak, so marry outside the family.” [Iraqi, Takhrij Ahadith al-Ihya’]

Incidentally, this advice from Sayyidina Umar corresponds with current genetic research indicating that marriage to cousins in successive generations is associated with increased likelihood of disability in offspring.

Also, the Hanbalis in particular explicitly mention that it is recommended (mustahabb) for a man to marry outside the family, as doing so normally leads to healthier and stronger offspring. [Mawsu`a Kuwaitiyya]

Did the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) Discourage Marrying Cousins?

Answered by Shaykh Faraz A. Khan Question: Did the Prophet (peace be upon him) discourage marrying relatives (ie. cousins) even though it is lawful? Answer: Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah, I pray this finds you in the best of health and states. The short answer is that there are certain...

seekersguidance.org

I'm not going by what that website says as I don't trust them. the guy behind it is Faraz Rabbani. he is a Sufi who promotes things like mawlid, he is unreliable. he also promotes praying to saints.

 

[Abdisamad]

my mother believes that my sister marrying her sister's son will lead to a happy/peaceful marriage. we know his past and his values well

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