Today I discovered the man who annihilated the Somali army that tried to retrieve our land from Ethiopia in 1977. I’m talking abt the Cuban general.

[Grigori Rasputin]

He was executed in 1989 by Fidel Castro.
The guy out smarted our generals in the 1977 Ogaden war.

I also discovered the general of the Soviet Union who was controlling the whole war theater. He also has been long dead.

These men have put us on the road to complete collapse. Somalia’s demise started in 1977.

Here is General Arnaldo Ochoa being tried for trumped up charges by Fidel’s regime for treason because he probably attempted ceasing power.


The Soviet general’s name was Visiliy Ivanovich Petrov. He first fought in WW2. By the time the Ogaden war came around he was already in the armed forces of the Soviet for close to 40 years. 6 years after the Ogaden War he was named a Field Marshal of the Soviet Union.
This goes to show that the Soviet Empire at the time took us seriously. They were more annoyed by us and they actually sent a high ranking war technicians to beat the day light out of us.

 

[Based]

stupid Cuban

 

[Periplus]

The USSR sent Petrov for two reasons.

1. If I remember correctly, Petrov actually taught many of the Somali generals when they studied at military colleges in the USSR. He knew the tactics that many of the generals would employ, as he taught them it.

2. Barre embarrassed the USSR by kicking them out of the country. The USSR thought that when they chose to support Ethiopia, Barre would back down eventually and everything would go back to normal. But Barre kicked the USSR out of Somalia publicly and in front of the world's television cameras.

Also Barre was bringing too much attention to this conflict between two "communist" nations. The Kacaan were inviting world journalists regularly and holding press conferences in which they were claiming the USSR was giving Mengistu arms that no African military possessed and accused them of war crimes. In the US, the Somali UN ambassador at the time, Abdirazaq Haji Hussen was regularly holding television appearances bringing attention to the conflict.

 

[Calmone20]

Uff I hate Eastern European neanderthals.

 

[Gantaal97]

The USSR sent Petrov for two reasons.

1. If I remember correctly, Petrov actually taught many of the Somali generals when they studied at military colleges in the USSR. He knew the tactics that many of the generals would employ, as he taught them it.

2. Barre embarrassed the USSR by kicking them out of the country. The USSR thought when they chose to support Ethiopia that Barre would back down eventually and everything would go back to normal. But Barre kicked the USSR out of Somalia publicly and in front of the world's television cameras.

USSR actually tried to stop the war and the tensions between the derg and kacaan communist regimes since they were important allies for them but afwayne regime irredentists nationalism is what led them to ditch Somalia for Ethiopia cuz derg was committed socialist state that was more beneficial for them in the cold war in Africa like Angola and Mozambique than Somalia junta regime who were trained by the colonials and had little knowledge of what Marxism or communism is

 

[Molotoff]

You shouldnt have turned your back on the russians. For what did you exactly turn your back on the russians for? Empty american promises? Should have sticked to the russians . Turned backs due to communism? Its days was counted anyways; you should have held out just a little bit longer, barely a decade really until 1989.

Remember; with their support, galbeed would have been within the borders of Somalia today.

 

[Gantaal97]

He was executed in 1989 by Fidel Castro.
The guy out smarted our generals in the 1977 Ogaden war.

I also discovered the general of the Soviet Union who was controlling the whole war theater. He also has been long dead.

These men have put us on the road to complete collapse. Somalia’s demise started in 1977.

Here is General Arnaldo Ochoa being tried for trumped up charges by Fidel’s regime for treason because he probably attempted ceasing power.


The Soviet general’s name was Visiliy Ivanovich Petrov. He first fought in WW2. By the time the Ogaden war came around he was already in the armed forces of the Soviet for close to 40 years. 6 years after the Ogaden War he was named a Field Marshal of the Soviet Union.
This goes to show that the Soviet Empire at the time took us seriously. They were more annoyed by us and they actually sent a high ranking war technicians to beat the day light out of us.

Somalia demise started when we adopted irredentism if we didn't and focused on improving our infrastructure and economy Somalia would have been a different story right now

 

[Gantaal97]

You shouldnt have turned your back on the russians. For what did you exactly turn your back on the russians for? Empty american promises? Should have sticked to the russians . Turned backs due to communism? Its days was counted anyways; you should have held out just a little bit longer, barely a decade really until 1989.

Remember; with their support, galbeed would have been within the borders of Somalia today.

Lol Russians left us cuz we were dumb nationalists who were conquering another communist country for a greater ethnic nation which doesn't go well in socialist theory and Castro wanted Somalia Ethiopia and south Yemen to create a federal socialist state that will control the strategic indian ocean that leads to Bab al mandib in red sea to suffocate americans and their allies in the region but afwayne said no

 

[Periplus]

USSR actually tried to stop the war and the tensions between the derg and kacaan communist regimes since they were important allies for them but afwayne regime irredentists nationalism is what led them to ditch Somalia for Ethiopia cuz derg was committed socialist state that was more beneficial for them in the cold war in Africa like Angola and Mozambique than Somalia junta regime who were trained by the colonials and had little knowledge of what Marxism or communism is

I agree sxb. I was just explaining why the Soviets ended up sending Petrov to Ethiopia.

However, I also do not blame the Kacaan in this instance. As much as I despise them, if you had most of Ogaden under your grasp, why would you agree to let the losing side take back their territories?

From the benefit of hindsight, they should've retreated but they already captured almost the entirety of the Ogaden with extreme ease.

Also the main reason Somalia ended up losing was because of the mismanagement of the military. The SNA were very good at attacking but not good at repelling counter-attacks or the pincer movement, the latter of whom caused their demise in the Ogaden.

 

[Gantaal97]

I agree sxb. I was just explaining why the Soviets ended up sending Petrov to Ethiopia.

However, I also do not blame the Kacaan in this instance. As much as I despise them, if you had most of Ogaden under your grasp, why would you agree to let the losing side take back their territories?

From the benefit of hindsight, they should've retreated but they already captured almost the entirety of the Ogaden with extreme ease.

Also the main reason Somalia ended up losing was because of the mismanagement of the military. The SNA were very good at attacking but not good at repelling counter-attacks or the pincer movement, the latter of whom caused their demise in the Ogaden.

Afwayne could have played smart when derg regime toppled the monarchy to have influence on the new communist military council and also guarantee Somali rights in Ethiopia are respected

 

[Periplus]

Afwayne could have played smart when derg regime toppled the monarchy to have influence on the new communist military council and also guarantee Somali rights in Ethiopia are respected

The idea that the Kacaan had at the time was that this was the opportunity of a lifetime.

This is what I wrote in another thread about some of the reasons why they probably thought it was an amazing idea.

One thing I disagree with on the subject of Barre's regime is the historiography of the Ogaden War.

Many people state that Barre should never have invaded the Ogaden fail to realise the immense opportunity Barre had. At the time, Ethiopia was in a turbulent period, Selassie was deposed and killed, leaving Ethiopia fractured and with a new dictator.

In my opinion, I think Barre thought he was doing the right thing because...

• Somalia had a stronger military than Ethiopia, especially when considering our smaller population.

• Somalia utilised the Viet-Cong strategy of having infiltrators sow chaos in Ethiopia, using Ogaden armed groups to attack behind Ethiopian lines

• During talks with Castro and Mengistu, Barre realised that the USSR were going to side with Ethiopia in any war. Castro disliked Barre severely. Barre realised that a proxy war with the USSR would grab American attention and hopefully gain military assistance of some sort. However, Barre was unlucky to have invaded Ethiopia during the Carter administration as they were not as trigger or money happy as their predecessors and successors.

• It should also be noted that the USSR barely had a history of involving themselves in proxy wars. The US had a greater history of directly involving themselves in global conflicts whereas the USSR would either send money or advisors. During the Ogaden war, the USSR gave Ethiopia a blank check, which could not have been forseen by anyone.

• Barre probably ascertained that any capture of the Ogaden would not have been challenged by the West. The European powers and the UN well knew that the Ogaden was their mess and were not going to intervene as long as Barre only took the Ogaden back.

With the benefit of hindsight it was a horrible decision, however, at the time, it made perfect sense. Barre was let down by the Carter admin as well as the anger of the USSR. Mind you, Barre dismissed the USSR in dramatic fashion from Somalia and they were very willing to get pay back.

 

[Grigori Rasputin]

Going into a fight with the dude that taught you tactics is like drinking your own urine

 

[Grigori Rasputin]

 

[Periplus]

Somalia demise started when we adopted irredentism if we didn't and focused on improving our infrastructure and economy Somalia would have been a different story right now

Irredentism was part of the policy of the Somali political class since 1943. The SYL provided the template that Barre eventually followed.

One must also remember that Ethiopia and Somalia have a history of attacking one another whenever the smelt weakness.

In 1964, Selassie invaded Somalia after the SYL signed a lucrative military training deal with the USSR, until then Somalia's military was weak but this agreement had the potential of later placing the SNA in a position of power. In 1984, Mengistu invaded Somalia with the SSDF in order to depose Barre but the US provided military assistance and aid to the Kacaan.

If the Kacaan did not invade in 1977, they would have done it when the Derg were toppled or whenever else they smelt weakness.

 

[Periplus]

 

[Periplus]

Going into a fight with the dude that taught you tactics is like drinking your own urine

The Kacaan did not expect as the USSR rarely intervened in proxy conflicts in comparison to the US which actively engaged in any war against communists.

The Ogaden war however, was one of the rare occasions in which the USSR took part and the US did not take part in a proxy war. The Kacaan had the misfortune of dealing with the Carter administration which were unwilling to get their hands stuck in this business.

However, I do think you are right, in that the involvement of Petrov may have messed with the Somali generals.

 

[reer]

The Kacaan did not expect as the USSR rarely intervened in proxy conflicts in comparison to the US which actively engaged in any war against communists.

The Ogaden war however, was one of the rare occasions in which the USSR took part and the US did not take part in a proxy war. The Kacaan had the misfortune of dealing with the Carter administration which were unwilling to get their hands stuck in this business.

However, I do think you are right, in that the involvement of Petrov may have messed with the Somali generals.

put emotions aside. somalia is flat (easy to steamroll) which means it needs a massive defensive bufferzone from a larger hostile nation. and somalia needs to be within striking distance of the beginning of our rivers to prevent dams. these two are crucial for somalia to improve on a substantial scale and to avoid steamroll bulldoze invasions like xabashis in the 90s and 2000s.
a competent government will launch an assault when able to. so we are damned if we do and damned if we dont.

 

[reer]

Irredentism was part of the policy of the Somali political class since 1943. The SYL provided the template that Barre eventually followed.

One must also remember that Ethiopia and Somalia have a history of attacking one another whenever the smelt weakness.

In 1964, Selassie invaded Somalia after the SYL signed a lucrative military training deal with the USSR, until then Somalia's military was weak but this agreement had the potential of later placing the SNA in a position of power. In 1984, Mengistu invaded Somalia with the SSDF in order to depose Barre but the US provided military assistance and aid to the Kacaan.

If the Kacaan did not invade in 1977, they would have done it when the Derg were toppled or whenever else they smelt weakness.

ma sha Allah in 60s somalis were armed clans and still fought bravely against coward genocidal selassie.

 

[Periplus]

put emotions aside. somalia is flat (easy to steamroll) which means it needs a massive defensive bufferzone from a larger hostile nation. and somalia needs to be within striking distance of the beginning of our rivers to prevent dams. these two are crucial for somalia to improve on a substantial scale and to avoid steamroll bulldoze invasions like xabashis in the 90s and 2000s.
a competent government will launch an assault when able to. so we are damned if we do and damned if we dont.

Somalia as a nation is essentially surrounded by a larger and historically hostile power.

That's the fact.

 

[Molotoff]

I think Somalia should go in to occupied Ogaden and occupied NFD currently in todays kenya like the wehrmacht went into Austria.

Anschluss-style!