Tribal clashes erupt between Halfawi Nubians vs Zaghawi Darfuris in Kassala

[Nomoregames2019]

Bejas and Tigres are autosomally indistinguishable. Kind of a major letdown when I discovered that. Was hoping for Bejas to have preserved the ancient proto-Cushites. @Cuneo

Yes its retarded to try and differentiate between Tigre and Beja people, they are genetically the same and their languages are very similar to each other.

 

[Marquis]

Why are Beja's so stupid? They are never gonna get into power in Sudan with the way they are going. Look at Hemedti, he raised up a big militia and has monopoly over the Darfur Gold which got him into power. Beja's need to think of a strategy themselves or they are gonna continue getting dominated by the Arabized Nubian trio (Dongolawi, Shaigiya and Jaali)

Beja's are the largest ethnic group in Eastern Sudan and especially in Port Sudan which is the 2nd most important place in all of Sudan after Khartoum. They are going to continue to be marginalized unless they use their heads.

 

[madaxweyne]

Why are Beja's so stupid? They are never gonna get into power in Sudan with the way they are going. Look at Hemedti, he raised up a big militia and has monopoly over the Darfur Gold which got him into power. Beja's need to think of a strategy themselves or they are gonna continue getting dominated by the Arabized Nubian trio (Dongolawi, Shaigiya and Jaali)

Beja's are the largest ethnic group in Eastern Sudan and especially in Port Sudan which is the 2nd most important place in all of Sudan after Khartoum. They are going to continue to be marginalized unless they use their heads.

maybe we should be like the turks who helped thier turkic brothers out and help our beja brothers out they did welcome us when our president visited eritrea

 

[Marquis]

maybe we should be like the turks who helped thier turkic brothers out and help our beja brothers out they did welcome us when our president visited eritrea

"According to the "Black Book", an analysis of Sudanese regional political representation published underground in the late 1990s by Darfur Islamist followers of Hassan al-Turabi, Eastern Sudan has been conspicuous since its independence for its political and economic marginalization. This part of Sudan had fewer ministers and representatives than other parts of the country in the civil and military branches of the central government, as well as having among the lowest rates of education and access to health services in the country."

Beja Congress - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Marquis]

Honestly Beja's are as marginalized as Darfuri, Nubas and Southerners are and were but they don't get half as much attention by Afrocentrists, Westerners and Activists.

 

[Nomoregames2019]

@kobe I have spoken to alot of Eastern Sudanis before online, they hate all of the other Sudani Arab tribes and want the east to become a seperate state.

 

[Marquis]

@kobe I have spoken to alot of Eastern Sudanis before online, they hate all of the other Sudani Arab tribes and want the east to become a seperate state.

That would lead to Sudan being landlocked. Honestly Arabized Nubian elites were dumb, they should have been more inclusive while still keeping themselves at the top of the hierarcy. That way, Sudan would still be a massive and powerful country. Instead they made it ridiculously blatant which has led to many regions taking up arms and having deep hatred for people from the North.

 

[Marquis]

@Nomoregames2019 Sudan should implement a Federal system, give Darfur, Nuba Mountains, Blue Nile and Eastern Sudan autonomous regions like Ethiopia.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

Is th

That would lead to Sudan being landlocked. Honestly Arabized Nubian elites were dumb, they should have been more inclusive while still keeping themselves at the top of the hierarcy. That way, Sudan would still be a massive and powerful country. Instead they made it ridiculously blatant which has led to many regions taking up arms and having deep hatred for people from the North.

is that why sudan split

 

[madaxweyne]

"According to the "Black Book", an analysis of Sudanese regional political representation published underground in the late 1990s by Darfur Islamist followers of Hassan al-Turabi, Eastern Sudan has been conspicuous since its independence for its political and economic marginalization. This part of Sudan had fewer ministers and representatives than other parts of the country in the civil and military branches of the central government, as well as having among the lowest rates of education and access to health services in the country."

Beja Congress - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

thats realy sad the arab sudanese elites are realy stupid i thought they only subjigated dark nilotes and other Madows ahd no idea they also sidelined fellow muslim beja who they have a lot in common with in terms of culture religion etc it makes you think if they sidelined these guys what makes you think of thier opinion of us somalis

 

[madaxweyne]

Is th

is that why sudan split

no this is north sudan not dark nilote south sudan sahib

 

[Nomoregames2019]

Honestly Beja's are as marginalized as Darfuri, Nubas and Southerners are and were but they don't get half as much attention by Afrocentrists, Westerners and Activists.

Because the Bejas are cushites, they look like their Arabized Nubian counterparts in Sudan with their curly hair, much lighter/caramel black skin and European like features despite them being non-Arab. It doesn't fit in with the whole western narrative of these darker skinned non-Arab Africans being oppressed by these so called lighter skinned Arabs, because it would debunk the central idea that the marginalization of certain tribes in Sudan is based solely on skin colour and race per se.

 

[Marquis]

thats realy sad the arab sudanese elites are realy stupid i thought they only subjigated dark nilotes and other madows ahd no idea they also sidelined fellow muslim beja who they have a lot in common with in terms of culture religion etc it makes you think if they sidelined these guys what makes you think of thier opinion of us somalis

Arabized Nubians see themselves as sophisticated and civilized people and look down on nomads such as the Beja and the other Arab-claiming tribes. Beja being Nomads and speaking a non-Arabic language are seen as backwards and unfit to rule.

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

Because the Bejas are cushites, they look like their Arabized Nubian counterparts in Sudan with their curly hair, much lighter/caramel black skin and European like features despite them being non-Arab. It doesn't fit in with the whole western narrative of these darker skinned non-Arab Africans being oppressed by these so called lighter skinned Arabs, because it would debunk the central idea that the marginalization of certain tribes in Sudan is based solely on skin colour and race per se.

What are the population of beja who has the most tribe number

 

[madaxweyne]

Arabized Nubians see themselves as sophisticated and civilized people and look down on nomads such as the Beja and the other Arab-claiming tribes. Beja being Nomads and speaking a non-Arabic language are seen as backwards and unfit to rule.

thier stupid the majority of arabs in saudia arabia syria yemen and the gulf are nomad they think you have to be a settled agricultralist to be a arab is stupid when arabs are famous for thier nomadism either way the beja not speaking arabic might be the issue

 

[madaxweyne]

@Nomoregames2019 Sudan should implement a Federal system, give Darfur, Nuba Mountains, Blue Nile and Eastern Sudan autonomous regions like Ethiopia.

darfur is not of the same ethnic and racial background as the majority of sudan and that region should be cut of from the wider sudan , the rest maybe but sudan is basicly the nile and the eastern desert

 

[Nomoregames2019]

That would lead to Sudan being landlocked. Honestly Arabized Nubian elites were dumb, they should have been more inclusive while still keeping themselves at the top of the hierarcy. That way, Sudan would still be a massive and powerful country. Instead they made it ridiculously blatant which has led to many regions taking up arms and having deep hatred for people from the North.

The facts on the ground are like this. The Dongolawis and Jaalis, and Shaygis became the elites of modern day Sudan through slave trading and forming their own armies ie the ansar army in the Mahdist state. Later on after that died down, they began educating themselves and creating/forming institutions in all sectors for themselves.

The Bejas in the east, and the people from the Nuba mountains, and Southern Sudan, and the other non-Arab tribes in Darfur didn't do this as they too busy fighting amongst themselves and living a nomad lifestyle.

I also want to note out that the Arab tribes in Darfur were also marginalized for long periods too politically and economically speaking.

 

[Marquis]

thier stupid the majority of arabs in saudia arabia syria yemen and the gulf are nomad they think you have to be a settled agricultralist to be a arab is stupid when arabs are famous for thier nomadism either way the beja not speaking arabic might be the issue

Arabized Nubians are all farmers, they look down on nomads. They identify as Arabs due to religious and political prestige. A perfect example is the new ruler of Sudan Hemeti who is an Arab from Western Sudan but from a nomadic background:

"This third fact has now been turned on its head. Power was seized by a man from Sudan’s wild west, a skilled and ruthless practitioner of paramilitarism for rent. That’s why Hemeti’s power grab terrifies not only the civilian protesters, who hail overwhelmingly from the Khartoum middle classes, but also the army generals, who are drawn overwhelmingly from the same social class. That class also identifies as “Arab,” but they are a world away from the nomadic camel-herding tribe in which Hemeti grew up. Indeed, he shares more in common with various rebel groups."

 

[madaxweyne]

The facts on the ground are like this. The Dongolawis and Jaalis, and Shaygis became the elites of modern day Sudan through slave trading and forming their own armies ie the ansar army in the Mahdist state. Later on after that died down, they began educating themselves and creating/forming institutions in all sectors for themselves.

The Bejas in the east, and ths people from the Nuba mountains, and Southern Sudan, and the other non-Arab tribes in Darfur didn't do this as they too busy fighting amongst themselves and living a nomad lifestyle.

I also want to note out that the Arab tribes in Darfur were also marginalized for long periods too politically and economically speaking.

thats false didnt the beja fight in the mahdis army they were literally called the fuzzy wuzzies and thier leader osman digne was second in command

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

Why is no one answering my question abaha was