Trump is... waiting at the phone for Xi to call him.

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China is a bigger internal industrial market. It has more heterogeneous logistical systems, having a larger export-import share. The US is technically too big to fail in this semi-globalized world economy, but one thing is that these functions re-routes supplychain order in favor of China as Trump is just putting speed brakes on his own lane in a race, where China can just reroute to a longer but still faster track to the same destination. America was never a necessity, only a big preference. Americans don't understand this. Humans adapt, the Chinese are the best at this, and these are issues that only make them more self-sufficient than ever.

Trump is pointing at China but implicitly wants to elicit Americans to build more vibrant domestic industrial capacity that they don't want since large production companies rely on worldwide outsourcing processing.

Another thing tariffs do in the long term, if Trump maintains them, is that China can raise the production cost for their factories that produce smart technology to gain back the losses on the surplus.

The economy can rarely be maintained. It is like water it will find the nooks and crannies to flow out from. America cannot act like an imperialist anymore, trying to block the flow of water.

What I say is correct, but according to a Princeton study, the research to overcome the hurdles on the company level to re-route is actually costly:

"We study unanticipated tariffs in a setting with firm-to-firm supply relationships. Firms conduct costly searches and negotiate with potential suppliers that pass a reservation level of match productivity. Global supply chains form in anticipation of free trade. Then, the home government surprises with an input tariff. This can lead to renegotiation with initial suppliers or search for replacements. Calibrating the model’s parameters to match initial import shares and the estimated responses to the US tariffs imposed on China, we find an overall welfare loss of 0.12 percent of GDP, with substantial contributions from changes in input sourcing and search costs. (JEL D72, F13, F14, L14, O19, P33)"

"Firms search for partners to form their chains. Search is costly. Matches vary in productivity. Relationships are governed by short-term contracts that can be renegotiated at any time. Sunk costs generate stickiness in relationships, but renewed search occurs in response to large shocks."

Trump has effectively changed how global supply systems function, and it is impossible to say even if the stochastic changes will even benefit the United States, since no one can capture the value of these systems within a short temporal horizon. The short-term measures make things unpredictable. There are benefits to lasting systems because you can feel the iterative changes in macro trends over half a decade, where running diagnostics and economic health is more robust. This is changing. When our grasp of the health of financial macro-systems fails, is when we're in trouble because that means the essential component that deals with "anticipation" of market forces becomes obsolete, a major factor in capitalism. This means more volatility.

America is shaping a world it has an objectively less grasp on. Its old methods of forming economic relations, veiled in political superiority, are less charming than ever. As kids these days say, Americans are losing aura, big time.

There is an ironic effect, Trump says, "if we do this, you will really feel how big an effect we have on the world." I say, "No, you don't really know how big of an effect this is going to be. Soon you will have less grasp on the basic things that make the average company arrange to best suit for its potential."

People dont understand that, although you can scream how globalists are evil, you can't reverse things and close borders and expect no tsunami to happen when the system is in shock. After the wave is gone, the ground-level things are not recognizable. There is no advantage for America in a world it has less understanding of. Offsetting the equilibrium only gives other more prepared actors the chance to re-arrange to their benefit.

At the end of the day, these tariffs reflect America's growing insecurity and incompetence. It is world-leading in many things, yet its share of that is receding because the outside world is catching up, with China representing this symbol for its growing fear of sharing the world, basically. America has narcissism and does not want to be a country, but the country. But it has done nothing for decades to prove that it deserves that. Does that mean China is a better country? I would struggle to give that justification. But we are talking about how the ironic American one-man showism is biting it from behind. Here is the irony: if America wants to be America, it has to stop being "America." It has to be different for once, and do things right.

To the average intelligent person, this pathetic display of Trump looks nothing short of a meltdown, which is not funny. Only concerning. Because what America does will affect everyone. This notion that China will become the new Big Brother is unrealistic. I'm afraid the world is messed up when America realizes it is a has-been and will only drag the world down with it when it comes out of its delusion.

I once saw a documentary that characterized corporations as psychopaths, giving a diagnosis through pathological analogy. America is a class A narcissist. According to Noam Chomsky, China's threat to America was only about how its economic success would mean America could no longer rule the world. Which is basically true. Other people's success is an issue for a narcissist, right? Listen to this, America, a smaller country, is basically telling China, the biggest country in Asia, to stop having ambition to garner more influence in Asia and stop it from advancing on its regional competitive ground, the Indo-Pacific sea. Biden was actually worse for China's economy than Trump's first term. But now we'll see how it is. Still, the entitlement of sabotaging other countries' economic success has always been a thing the Americans do. I find it so ironic that a lot of Somalis who yap about American idealism on one hand, cry about foreign influence in their home country on the other. You're in support of America's history of foreign policy, doing horrendous things, one after another, then you have the audacity to cry about the UAE's dealings in the Horn of Africa. Hm? :mjlol:

The American political class thinks China's indigenous innovation is a national threat... Let that sink in. Many of you have not read between the lines and think the threat means hackers in China are playing with America's security (that shit probably happens thoguh, ngl):icon lol:. No. What scares America is China's natural domestic growth. Only a devil is threatened by other people's success and wants to sabotage it. There is no moral quandary about this. If you say that is the right conduct, then you're a devil. By the way, I'm not a pro-China guy. That country has a lot of flaws that I have mentioned here before. China has its own extremities that are quite severe. I say this to the guys who always have to jump to the low-hanging fruit whenever they're faced with something beyond a sided propaganda shit-fling fest.
You just described why the chinise were kicked out of the US in 1882 they made cheaper and better products than the whites they took over the west coast Anglos got jealous and kicked them out

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cunug3aad

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What happened in the 2000s? china just swept half the list
Also usa is regressing china is truly going to be the next power, so trump tarrifs were basically intended to be a trump card (heh) that destabilises everything so maybe they will have a chance of getting back influence in the chaos
They forget that their appeal as an economy is stability
 

The truth seeker

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What happened in the 2000s? china just swept half the list
Also usa is regressing china is truly going to be the next power, so trump tarrifs were basically intended to be a trump card (heh) that destabilises everything so maybe they will have a chance of getting back influence in the chaos
They forget that their appeal as an economy is stability
Ecnomcic miracle of China happened in the 2000s under Hu and jaing in 10 years they went form 7th largest economy to 2nd however most of there economic devlopment is concentrated on the coast China is already a superpower sxb

Xi has been fumbling the eocnmy has not been doing so good these past few years they went from 10% growth under the previous guys to 4% today issues with debt , housing bubble , and deflation persist


Americas economy in the 2000s was performing horribly multiple recessions (2002,2008,2009)under Obama the economy experienced a the largest boom in US history and Biden has been adding 1 trillion dollars worth of GDP evrey year

Doubt China will overtake us economy under xi it’s a 10 trillion dollar gap

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I remember seeing the 104% tariff on bbc news thinking This man is just making up numbers at this point. How do you go above 100% tarrif at that point arent you paying them or something
Both suppliers and importers will absorb the increased cost, not all the increase is passed on to consumers.
 
Back in 2018 when the first trade war started American consumers only experienced around a 0.17 increase in prices and the US Covid recovery was the envy of the world
Now is a good time to buy stocks. Trump won’t really crash the economy, he has real estate that would be affected. Stocks are really cheap now.
 

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Now is a good time to buy stocks. Trump won’t really crash the economy, he has real estate that would be affected. Stocks are really cheap now.
He creases the economy is head is on the chopping block you can only be president if people are employed

Im buying bonds they pay of well in the long run
 

Internet Nomad

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The rise of trump was inevitable can’t ignore the rust belt forever
The rust belt shouldve been nuked.

They are crying about jobs that will never came back for 40 plus years.

Who is going to pay American wages for 3rd world manual labour.

When they tried to create programs to retrain them they b!tched out.

Their fault they should enjoy their opioids and stfu.

God forbid they try to learn a new skill besides being a coal worker.
 

cunug3aad

3rdchild · Suugo dottore
The rise of trump was inevitable can’t ignore the rust belt forever
Service sector is better for the workers and the money than manufacturing, thats why the rust belt rusted All of USA's influence is in the service and information sectors, backtracking is stupid

Its like if China went back to being geeljire or whatever they did before manufacturing got them money
 

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Service sector is better for the workers and the money than manufacturing, thats why the rust belt rusted All of USA's influence is in the service and information sectors, backtracking is stupid

Its like if China went back to being geeljire or whatever they did before manufacturing got them money
Americas biggest sectors is real estate ,healthcare , and tech of course the fracking boom made them the worlds largest oil producer which made North Dakota and Texas a lot of money


The US is the worlds 2nd largest manufacturing country financializationis horrible and shortsighted why do you think britan outside of London is economically performing horribly
 

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Service sector is better for the workers and the money than manufacturing, thats why the rust belt rusted All of USA's influence is in the service and information sectors, backtracking is stupid

Its like if China went back to being geeljire or whatever they did before manufacturing got them money
These folks don't understand that as a civilization levels up their economy changes to become more efficient and richer.

1 stage economy would be based on agriculture/livestock which is not very efficient if a large part of your population is engaged in that trade like Somalia as it would be most likely to be a in a rural setting so they wont get education. Also doesn't make that much money. Eventually you want those roles to be monopolized by a few dozen companies which are highly competitive and efficient. Rather than having your population engaged in low level farming /animal husbandry.

2 stage economy industrialization would be based on raw goods and manufacturing low skilled products. This is a more efficient industry and a nation can get legitimately rich from this level. Attracts foreign investors as living wages are low and less competitive to manufacturer goods compared to their home country. It drives urbanism and is a good tax revenue for the government to focus on schools and infrastructure. You don't want to be stuck in stage forever as you want your population to get educated enough to the point that they can start manufacturing high skilled products like chips or service sector where they can make billion dollar smart phone apps.

3 stage economy software, entertainment, high level manufacturing. this is the point where your population is too educated for them to still be doing low level manufacturing. Your presence on the global stage is felt as you produce things like chips or your entertainment or software sector is famous across the world.

Now trumpians want to go from stage 3 to stage 2.

10,000 workers at Disney during its peak made more revenue than 100,000 random 3rd worlder shoe makers did in 10 years.

Obviously 2 and 1 stage economies are important but you will always have nations you can import those goods from for cheap why would you relegate your population to doing it when they don't want to.
 

cunug3aad

3rdchild · Suugo dottore
Americas biggest sectors is real estate ,healthcare , and tech of course the fracking boom made them the worlds largest oil producer which made North Dakota and Texas a lot of money


The US is the worlds 2nd largest manufacturing country financializationis horrible and shortsighted why do you think britan outside of London is economically performing horribly
Because they wanted to be treated like boqor for mining coal
 

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These folks don't understand that as a civilization levels up their economy changes to become more efficient and richer.

1 stage economy would be based on agriculture/livestock which is not very efficient if a large part of your population is engaged in that trade like Somalia as it would be most likely to be a in a rural setting so they wont get education. Also doesn't make that much money. Eventually you want those roles to be monopolized by a few dozen companies which are highly competitive and efficient. Rather than having your population engaged in low level farming /animal husbandry.

2 stage economy industrialization would be based on raw goods and manufacturing low skilled products. This is a more efficient industry and a nation can get legitimately rich from this level. Attracts foreign investors as living wages are low and less competitive to manufacturer goods compared to their home country. It drives urbanism and is a good tax revenue for the government to focus on schools and infrastructure. You don't want to be stuck in stage forever as you want your population to get educated enough to the point that they can start manufacturing high skilled products like chips or service sector where they can make billion dollar smart phone apps.

3 stage economy software, entertainment, high level manufacturing. this is the point where your population is too educated for them to still be doing low level manufacturing. Your presence on the global stage is felt as you produce things like chips or your entertainment or software sector is famous across the world.

Now trumpians want to go from stage 3 to stage 2.

10,000 workers at Disney during its peak made more revenue than 100,000 random 3rd worlder shoe makers did in 10 years.

Obviously 2 and 1 stage economies are important but you will always have nations you can import those goods from for cheap why would you relegate your population to doing it when they don't want to.
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EU will always rely on America for defense it’s not the 60s anymore there native population is way to old the average age is 45 these peoelel are used to sitting in cafes and complain about working more than 6 hours while the immigrants are Muslim and African they are a net negative economically and have no Desire to fight for non Muslim major EU cities are like 40 % non white and that share is growing


America is the biggest producer of oil and biggest exporter of LNG in order for the Euros to afford who have stagnating economically since 2008 he has to temporarily reduce the value of the dollar

Greece ,Djibouti , Greenland , Morocco ,Singapore , Panama , Kuwait , and Egypt are the choke points America has significant influence over these nations however if you want to beat China the battleground is in the pacific not in Europe or middle east

Breton woods system collapsed in the 70s It was replaced with the petro dollar without this agreement America and Isreal are toast

Wyoming found 2 billion metric tons worth of minerals and the Congo is offering there minerals on a silver platter if he secures this he can disrupt Chinese dominance over the global mineral market also if he signs that free trade deal with the rapidly economically rising Argentina he will regain influence over Latin America


Americas former colony The Philippines is the Trojan horse the ruling political parties and families were put into power buy the US army its the backdoor they use to get into the South China Sea and of course Japan which arguably has the third strongest military right now is the cannon folder
 
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