Turkish war of independence

[Internet Nomad]

Are the Harari somali? They seem very somali adjacent. Like a lost tribe.

They are a close cousin to somalis i think they speak in a semetic language.

 

[mohammdov]

He saved the turks from being robbed of Anatolia. I don't agree with everything he's done like banning hijab and Adhan but other than that he was a hero for the Turks
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After the Arabs revolutionized against the Ottoman Empire and expelled all the Turks from their country, even those who had lived there for years would naturally harbor some hatred for them. He didn't ban Adhan but rather make it in Turkish Instead of Arabic

 

[Khaem]

Are the Harari somali? They seem very somali adjacent. Like a lost tribe.

Harari are an ethnicity of the city of Harar which was the home of Islam in the horn. It was the capital of the Adal empire.

The ethnicity started to form after the futuh in 1500s when a Somali Sultan of the city built a wall around to keep the Oromo out, who started migrating all around the region after the weakened adal sultanate.

The people already within the city like Somalis, Various Habasha, a few Yemeni traders, and other tribes. Who were stuck together in this city, Mixed together over centuries to form this Islamic ethnic group we now call harari after the city. For some reason the Semetic influence in language was stronger which is why it's Harari called Ethio Semetic. However it's got lots of influence from all languages that were within including Somali.

After Menelik II took the city and forced the sultanate of Harar to surrender their state. The abyssinnians started a process of dismantling harar. Which stood as the house of Islam in the horn treasured by muslims including somalis, and was the base of some of the greatesg sultanates. Who fought Ethiopia.
Eventually the walls were opened and Oromo especially started flooding the city after being held outside for centuries. Christianity penetrated the city as well due to habash. As shown before Halie Salassie genocided hararis and forced many out. Which is ironic since Haile Selassie was born and raised in harar around Hararis, Somalis & Oromo which he all later Opressed.

 

[Khaem]

After the Arabs revolutionized against the Ottoman Empire and expelled all the Turks from their country, even those who had lived there for years would naturally harbor some hatred for them. He didn't ban Adhan but rather make it in Turkish Instead of Arabic

I'd adhan in non Arabic even permissable? And praying in the language too? How it this possible?

 

[Lahaine]

After the Arabs revolutionized against the Ottoman Empire and expelled all the Turks from their country, even those who had lived there for years would naturally harbor some hatred for them. He didn't ban Adhan but rather make it in Turkish Instead of Arabic

Damn didn't know that the Arabs deported the Turks I've always wondered why they hated Arabs I can see why now

 

[Emir of Zayla]

If you thought the fall of adal was bad for somalis imagine hararis.
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Hararis are basically Somalis with more highland admixture.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Damn I'm still surprised at how they managed to win their nationalism was at another level

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence

Siad Barre would’ve been like the African version of him if he succeeded in Galbeed and grabbed lands in the Deep South. He could’ve been like the Somali version of Ataturk where everyone of all clans come together to do dua for even tho he was a communist gaal, I doubt they would care

 

[DR OSMAN]

Turks-Germans beware of them, the whole world united against them. Their some next level shit.

 

[Lahaine]

Siad Barre would’ve been like the African version of him if he succeeded in Galbeed and grabbed lands in the Deep South.

Yeah I agree but Siad barre should have waited till the Derg collapsed in 1991 then we should have invaded under the pretense of peace for the region.

 

[Khaem]

Is it just me or are the walls golden bronze looking?

It's the lighting I think. It's just stone. Somalis built thousand of stone walls all around the peninsular for towns and cities.

We built with stone for a millenia, which is why somalia has so many sites we know of dating to antiquity. However rest of sub saharan Africa has almost nothing from that time since they dint build using stone and other things like mud which broke apart.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Iran doesn't impress me tho. Sparta ran thru them with 300 greeks. Iran-Iraq war even Saddam had them in stalemate kkkkk 1 arab nation. Those two ppl arabs/persians r cowards.

 

[Three Moons]

If Somalis just fell in line during the Dervish period and backed the Sayyid as one single unit like the Turks backed Ataturk, we could have pushed out the imperialists and then set our sights on East Africa.

Our idiotic love for clan is why half of the Somali homeland was eventually lost.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Imagine this but somalis ravaging through southern east africa.

Muslim Horners really could’ve been the Turkics of Africa if we had won the Futuh and were no longer blocked off from the Highlands, from the tip of Sudan all the way down to the Great Lakes singing weird Mongolian throat songs

 

[Internet Nomad]

Siad Barre would’ve been like the African version of him if he succeeded in Galbeed and grabbed lands in the Deep South. He could’ve been like the Somali version of Ataturk where everyone of all clans come together to do dua for even tho he was a communist gaal, I doubt they would care

So you’re telling me we was cucked out of a genghis khan type figure and an attaturk type too.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The whole arab world only france/england was needed. Somalis alone had to deal with Ethio-French-Italy-Brits. Im suprised they look up to cowards, mental slavery is real

 

[Emir of Zayla]

So you’re telling me we was cucked out of a genghis khan type figure and an attaturk type too.
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Fck it at this point. Might as well channel the power of the shitty arab league into xooging Africa. Pax Arabica!

 

[Khaem]

Iran doesn't impress me tho. Sparta ran thru them with 300 greeks. Iran-Iraq war even Saddam had them in stalemate kkkkk 1 arab nation. Those two ppl arabs/persians r cowards.

It's overblown. It was 300, it was thousands. And it only achieved was making the Persians not conquer tiny sparta. The Persian empire was still the strongest state in the entire region. They just didn't take over a small peninsula smaller than Djibouti. It's just another european exaggeration of their history.

Rest of Greece was under Persian domination until Alexander.

Persians were the one of the longest and greatest state crafters in history. They had a powerful empires fighting not only the babylon and assyria and even Kush. But also fought Alexander, was the rival of Rome for it's enite history, and finally defeated by the Arabs. That's thousands of years of State craft and ruling over the middle east.

 

[Khaem]

Fck it at this point. Might as well channel the power of the shitty arab league into xooging Africa. Pax Arabica!View attachment 301975

I just see a map of future Somaliweyn.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

The whole arab world only france/england was needed. Somalis alone had to deal with Ethio-French-Italy-Brits. Im suprised they look up to cowards, mental slavery is real

If Sayyid betted on the Anglosphere and made treaties to obtain Italian possessions in Somaliweyn and eventually the rest of SL after a while that would’ve been nice. Eventually setting up clan emirates like Hawiye, Darod, Issaq, Dir/Issa etc maybe even Socotra but under a central gov in Harar or smth we’d be among the more stable and richer countries on the continent

 

[Emir of Zayla]

I just see a map of future Somaliweyn.

I see a map of the new xoogsters of Africa