I was talking about both the older generation who are sufis, and the younger ones who aren't actually sufi but are against salafi interpretations of lslam. they have traditional ideas about what women should do. think about the kind of guy that would be a nemesis to @Angelina here on this forum lol
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This group need to be studied. I think they use the Salafi title to excercise authority and to demand respect due to their insecurities and as a coping mechanism. Why can't they just be Muslim only and follow the way of the Salaf, which would be the closest way to follow the deen? I've never met an emotionally stable Salafi. They're always angry like a 50 year old loner white man who lives alone. They always have some traumatic upbringing. The way they became a Salafi didn't happen organically. Some strange looking ajnabi guy no one has seen before comes to the masjid to revert, a socially awkward sister who never left her house and gets addicted to Salafi youtube videos, a guy who loses his hooyo and has a mental breakdown, etc.
I actually have no problem with Salafis. Just my observations. The Somalis who follow the deen that I know of are all Salafis.
Sis, sadly I understand what Abdifreedom is talking about. Being Salafi doesn’t stop these men from finding obscure fiqhi rulings that justify their views. @Hamzza who is a Salafi is arguing with me by telling me that he has the right to sexually abuse his wife, despite most Salafi scholars arguing that is haram. He will now try and find a Hanafi scholar from the 9th century to justify it.
All in all sis, if their hearts are corrupted by disdain of women and a lack of justice. Being Salafi or Sufi isn’t going to change their attitudes to women.
It is when viewed constantly. This thread isn’t about a one off. The whole narrative is about addiction and that is indeed a major sin.
I hate this whole rhetoric of calling yoursel salafi aswell, it is kinda cringe to me
Actually no the brother is wrong, watching pron is a major sin. I will provide evidence for it in a few minutes.
Labelling yourself as anything is going to change you, these guys are young and energetic, they are not mature and therefore latch on to some speakers they listen to for their knowledge and at the same time are not the best of Muslims,
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I myself only listen to Salafi Shuyookh alxamdulilah but I get where you coming from; there are some Salafi guys out there who are always angry and on edge, I don't associate with them.
It was what I was writing to @xoogster and Insee where @AbdiFreedom is saying.
The fact that some are incredibly spiritually devoid and do not care about the overall ethos of Islam and it’s ethics but latch on to any fiqh rulings that they feel bolster their entitlement. Concepts of mercy, rahma or even intellect is foreign to them and in the long run those types do damage to peoples imaan. They’re a danger.
An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The scholars (may Allah have mercy on them) said: Persisting in a minor sin makes it a major sin. It was narrated from ‘Umar, Ibn ‘Abbaas and others (may Allah be pleased with them): There is no major sin if one prays for forgiveness and no minor sin if one persists in it. What is meant is that the major sin may be erased by praying for forgiveness, but the minor sin becomes a major sin if one persists in it. Shaykh Abu ‘Amr ibn as-Salaah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The one who persists is the one who has the intention to do it again, which is contrary to the idea of repentance. Persisting in a minor sin could change it to a major sin.
End quote from Sharh Saheeh Muslim, 2/82
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The one addicted to wine becomes like a worshiper of idols.”
Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 3375
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
Al-Mundhiri (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
“It is true that when the one who persisted in drinking alcohol dies, he will meet Allah like one who worshipped idols, and there is no doubt that zina is worse and more serious before Allah than drinking alcohol.” (Al-Targhib wa’l-Tarhib, 3/190)
Al-Safarini (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
“Zina is the most serious of major sins after shirk and murder.” (Ghidha al-Albab, 2/305)
Hence the hadd (punishment) for zina is more severe than that for drinking alcohol, especially if the person is married.
1.Persistence in the sin becomes a major sin
2.One who is addicted to alcohol, is like an idol worshipper, in the same way, a man addicted to pron is like an idol worshipper, as he takes his nafs and desires as a kind of God, he disobeys Allah and watches filth and take priority of this thing over the worship of Allah,
3.Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, the most evil of people in the presence of Allah on the Day of Resurrection is a man who was intimate with his wife and then spreads her secrets.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1437
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim
If exposing your wifes bedroom secrets is the most evil of people, what about people who expose themselves on camera for everyone to see, this is even worse,and watching that is taking part in this disgusting sin
4.It is part of the sin of qawm lut to do faahishah in open
29:29
أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ ٱلرِّجَالَ وَتَقْطَعُونَ ٱلسَّبِيلَ وَتَأْتُونَ فِى نَادِيكُمُ ٱلْمُنكَرَ ۖ فَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوْمِهِۦٓ إِلَّآ أَن قَالُوا۟ ٱئْتِنَا بِعَذَابِ ٱللَّهِ إِن كُنتَ مِنَ ٱلصَّـٰدِقِينَ ٢٩
Do you really lust after ˹other˺ men, abuse the travellers, and practice immorality ˹openly˺ in your gatherings?” His people’s only response was to say ˹mockingly˺: “Bring Allah’s punishment upon us, if what you say is true.”
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
All these sins are major in the sight of Allah, which is why they were all mentioned, and qawm lut were punished for all of them, copying the action of a cursed nation is like them
Ibn Abbas reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah has cursed the one who falsely changes the boundaries of the land. Allah has cursed the one who offers a sacrifice for another besides Allah. Allah has cursed the one who curses his parents. Allah has cursed the servant who attributes himself to another master. Allah has cursed the one who pushes a blind person from the path. Allah has cursed the one who commits bestiality, and Allah has cursed one who behaves like the people of Lot,” and he said it three times.
Source: Musnad Aḥmad 2908
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Ahmad Shakir
5.Allah tells us to not go near zinaaa
17:32
وَلَا تَقْرَبُوا۟ ٱلزِّنَىٰٓ ۖ إِنَّهُۥ كَانَ فَـٰحِشَةً وَسَآءَ سَبِيلًا ٣٢
Do not go near adultery. It is truly a shameful deed and an evil way.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
The action of zina is hated by Allah, but going towards the steps of zinaa, is also hated to Allah, pron is a direct step towards zina and all other kinds of faahishah, and therefore is hated to Allah, not only because it is a faahishah but because it leads to zina and more hated things
6.Pron leads you to be a dayuuth, a man watches another person have sex with another, he is pleasuring himself to a person having sex with someone they wish to be with, this is the exact same as a cuckhold who enjoys his women sleeping with other men, pron leads to cuckholdery
"The Messenger of Allah said: "There are three at whom Allah will not look on the Day of Resurrection: The one who disobeys his parents, the woman who imitates men in her outward appearance, and the cuckold. And there are three who will not enter Paradise: The one who disobeys his parents, the drunkard, and the one who reminds people of what he has given them."'
أَخْبَرَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عَلِيٍّ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ زُرَيْعٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ يَسَارٍ، عَنْ سَالِمِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " ثَلاَثَةٌ لاَ يَنْظُرُ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ إِلَيْهِمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ الْعَاقُّ لِوَالِدَيْهِ وَالْمَرْأَةُ الْمُتَرَجِّلَةُ وَالدَّيُّوثُ وَثَلاَثَةٌ لاَ يَدْخُلُونَ الْجَنَّةَ الْعَاقُّ لِوَالِدَيْهِ وَالْمُدْمِنُ عَلَى الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَنَّانُ بِمَا أَعْطَى " .
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Because they are fake, I have met many in my real life, I live in London and around alot of these guys, and alot of them are just hyped up immature kids, you can't reason with them, they are very zealous but unfortutenly lack any real guidance from anyone in their life,
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When Anonimo said a man can coerce his wife without physically hurting her by, for example, threatening her, you said it's mentally harmful to the woman to be threatened. Now I ask you again, doesn't the same apply to men? It isn't mentally harmful for men to be refused by wife?
And pls @Angelina don't make this personal. We are discussing scenarios, causes, remedies and how it can be prevented, my personal life has nothing to do with this. If me calling you a feminist hurt you, I apologize.
Not getting sex(especially from your wife) is mentally harmful, not physically and it can cause men to commit Zina.
And pls @Angelina don't make this personal. We are discussing scenarios, causes, remedies and how it can be prevented, my personal life has nothing to do with this. If me calling you a feminist hurt you, I apologize.
1.How does one force himself on his wife without harming but is still halal? . That was the question posed and Anonimo wasn’t able to answer. How does that happen? I’m waiting for an answer? He mentions of threats of violence. Is it allowed to threaten to hurt your wife?
2. We even spoke about how the Prophet forbade men jumping on their wives and men who do not do foreplay. Hence I pose another question, how does someone force their wives without jumping on her and how does one do foreplay whilst forcing?
3. As for the mentally harmful part. Being constant rejected is mentally hurtful indeed. But my point is, is abuse the answer to feeling rejected? Also, if that is the view you have with regards to rejection and lack of rights, why is it only limited to sex and women? Is that how you believe someone conducts himself in all facets of life when they’re mentally harmed via rejection? Being rejected sexually isn’t the only way a man can feel mentally rejected. In those other situations does he also resort to abuse
4. Also, why would you also think your way, which is a form of abuse is superior when the Prophet s.a.w specially talks about a man going back to sleep? Why didn’t the Prophet s.a.w mention force?
5. Also, how does a man determine if a woman is not giving him his rights. What if one night she is generally fatigued, but he believes she is faking it?
There are a lot of questions at play here.
6. That is why you divorce or get a 2nd wife. Men have the options of a polygamous union or divorce on the spot. What about a woman who is denied this? She would have to go to the Islamic courts which will takes months whilst her rights are denied her.
7. I’m bringing in women into this because it’s also a common scenario for women, yet the idea of women turning hostile for their ‘rights’ is laughable isn’t it? Despite women’s options being even more limited.
8. question; marriage is a protection from Zina for a woman as well. What advice would you give her? To hit? To force? You could argue that women being denied intimacy could lead to Zina.
Do you see how flawed your argument is. It hinges on the idea of sex only being for the man. When it is something mutual and a protection for both of the
Alright. I’ll stop.
The feminist argument didn’t hurt me. I’m used to it. But just know the more you throw around the feminist word for sisters who talk about women’s rights but still try and keep within the realms of Sharia, the more you cheapen the word and successfully that has happened. It’s just a dumb buzzword.
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Reer, I know what I write irritates you, no scratch that, it probably enrages you. But you don’t have the rage to come @ me, so you constantly try to through shade.
So what is it this time? The idea that you can’t sexually abuse your wife? Or is it from last time that you have issues with what I’m writing?
if you have something to say, say it clearly and concisely.
This is a banger abaayo
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