Chaseyourdreamzz
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Why do you guys think this era is glorified as a good point in Somalias history
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Twitter thread about The 1960s civilian government
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Well one thing they didn't do is destroy the nation of Somalia. Kacaan did that and so their orphans write these long posts on twitter.
It was a democracy that allowed plenty of political representation and freedom of speech. Notable also for having a peaceful transfer of power between one head of state to the next.
Its corruption wasn't any worse than other African countries
Somalia existed under democracy and then the dictatorship destroyed it. History doesn't lie. Somalia definitely rejected it violently.
No need to rely on CIA propaganda, the 1960s civilian government was corrupt, inefficient but it maintained peace without the need of violence. People supported them, there is no need to lie about it.
The thread was made to justify Maxamed Siyaad Barres reign. The bad he did far outweights any good he did. Creating narratives to hide his crimes won’t be any good as they are easily debunkable.
The thread was made to justify Maxamed Siyaad Barres reign. The bad he did far outweights any good he did. Creating narratives to hide his crimes won’t be any good as they are easily debunkable.
LOL, every clan had its own party back then and we were headed to civil war. Even the CIA admitted MSB saved us and prolonged 91 disaster
Saved what? He threw petrol on clan tension by trying to create an MOD reich. Somalia never recovered now the same poison is being sold as the cure. Interesting times.
MOD only happened post Ogaden war when he became paranoid. I wish he stepped down after that disastorous war
Somalia was still a shithole under MSB; prior to that, at least we didn’t have a violent dictator. The truth is that, for now, not all Somalis will get to have a say, and that has to work, or else the Habeshas will enslave Somalia. Either a Somali dictator like those in third-world Arab countries will emerge, or the Ethiopians will call the shots on Somali soil. If the arrogance isn’t removed through talks or violence, they can enjoy being enslaved by the Habeshas for fuckall
This guy has hidden clan agendas so I never take anything he says seriously. The info he brings is pretty useful though, good to read.
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Bisinka tell the brother to stop writing essays on twitter. I saw 1/51 and said hell nah. He should write a proper paper
Chaseyourdreamzz
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What’s his clan agenda this is my first time seeing his threads
During the era of civilian administrations, you had various clans competing for top government positions, and sure there was corruption and nepotism, but it was the kind you’d also find in contemporary Malaysia or Morocco, and both are thriving today. Also at the time the Somali people at-least had the ability to vote in (or out) their own candidates, unlike the military period or the current selection nonsense. Several decades of civil administrations would have built a stronger unity and eventually ushered in better anti-corruption mechanisms, with clear checks and balances.
If you look at the GDP per capita in the 1960s, it wasn’t that much different than the military period, you can see a dip from the 1964 war, then another dip from President Sharmarke’s death, a big decline from the 74’ drought and a huge surge during the 77’ war when Somalia’s small industrial base went into overdrive to produce relevant stuff for the Somali Armed Forces;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Economy:_Historical_Statistics
The civilian administrations successfully made sure that not a single foreign base or soldier was built on or entered Somali soil during the height of the Cold War, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the civilian administrations never carpet bombed its own people. These two points alone puts them FAR ahead of all the administrations that came after them and ruined their legacy.
If you look at the GDP per capita in the 1960s, it wasn’t that much different than the military period, you can see a dip from the 1964 war, then another dip from President Sharmarke’s death, a big decline from the 74’ drought and a huge surge during the 77’ war when Somalia’s small industrial base went into overdrive to produce relevant stuff for the Somali Armed Forces;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Economy:_Historical_Statistics
The civilian administrations successfully made sure that not a single foreign base or soldier was built on or entered Somali soil during the height of the Cold War, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the civilian administrations never carpet bombed its own people. These two points alone puts them FAR ahead of all the administrations that came after them and ruined their legacy.
The civilian goverment was paying twice as more for one mp vote than today. It was corrupt, inefficient, but it had support among the people but that was falling soon after too, Barre provided 21 years of relative prosperity before the inevitable chimpout but his legacy is marred by his close family and associates choices in his later years. If the chimpout had happened and no coup took place the only thing that could be said is that factions would seek support from either major power and the influx of arms would more greater to or equal to the equivalent of today's era. Or they would fight with whatever meager goverment weapons were avaliable pre barre militaristic somalia. No technicals, bebes, tanks, bms, zuugs. Just ak 47s and the occasional machine gun
Kacaan Orphan Syndrome post.
Somalia was an average African country, he turned it into hell on earth.
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Unpopular opinion:
Somalia would probably better off as UN-Italian protectorate until 1980-1990. Democracy failed in the civilian administration because Somalis weren’t capable of state building yet. Our agricultural production in 1960 is actually much higher than Somalia today despite 650 % population growth.
Somalia would probably better off as UN-Italian protectorate until 1980-1990. Democracy failed in the civilian administration because Somalis weren’t capable of state building yet. Our agricultural production in 1960 is actually much higher than Somalia today despite 650 % population growth.
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Hot take: Nearly all of Africa would probably be better off as protectorates until 1980-1990. Democracy and capitalism failed throughout Africa because Africans weren't capable of state building yet. Their corruption, crime, HDI are all much lower in the 40s and 50s than today despite lack of foreign interference.
That’s unpopular because it’s a stupid opinion.
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