UFC 254: Khabib vs. Gaethje

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Well that's £100 down the drain

 

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Well that's £100 down the drain

 

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[Abdalla]

The vacant LW title gives us great potential fights

Dustin vs Conor
Justin vs Dan Hooker
Tony vs Chandler

LW is on fire

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Go to bed, it's late

 

[Joliemademoiselle]

The vacant LW title gives us great potential fights

Dustin vs Conor
Justin vs Dan Hooker
Tony vs Chandler

LW is on fire




Go to bed, it's late

 

[CanoGeel]

Hail to my Dagestani brother in laws

 

[JohnCena]

Gaethje gave him the toughest opposition, two judges gave him the first round. But Khabib made it look easy


I disagtee with this scorecard, itvwas close one but Khabib controlled the fight, attempted arm bar, plus one successful take-down.

Gaethje will be the new LW King. He deserves it, very good human being. I like how he wants to take care of his parents

Conor sleeps Gaethje and anyone else in the LW division if Khabib is gone. He finishes them fairly easily as well. Only person who gives Conor any type of threat is Islam

 

[JohnCena]

Gaethje gave him the toughest opposition, two judges gave him the first round. But Khabib made it look easy


I disagtee with this scorecard, itvwas close one but Khabib controlled the fight, attempted arm bar, plus one successful take-down.

Gaethje will be the new LW King. He deserves it, very good human being. I like how he wants to take care of his parents

I'd say Tibeau gave Khabib his toughest fight. Some could say it should've been a draw

 

[Abdalla]

Conor sleeps Gaethje and anyone else in the LW division if Khabib is gone. He finishes them fairly easily as well. Only person who gives Conor any type of threat is Islam

Not if they have a smart game plan. Conor is only dangerous in the first round. The problem is that every grappler/wrestler fall in love with the striking. Dustin is a black belt but never uses his bjj. Waste of talent. Besides bjj has zero take down skills, they're just good in defending a take down or on their back. Wrestlers like Chad mendes gave Conor an epic ass whooping. Islam would defeat Conor fairly easy.

I'd say Tibeau gave Khabib his toughest fight. Some could say it should've been a draw

The rules when he fought Tibau 8 years ago were different. Fighters were first and foremost based on aggression and octagon control. Khabib had him against the fence for 14 minutes, he was the aggressor too. Tibau was extremely strong because he was using steroids. The judges gave him an unanimous decision, it wasn't even split decision.

 

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[TabK]

Not if they have a smart game plan. Conor is only dangerous in the first round. The problem is that every grappler/wrestler fall in love with the striking. Dustin is a black belt but never uses his bjj. Waste of talent. Besides bjj has zero take down skills, they're just good in defending a take down or on their back. Wrestlers like Chad mendes gave Conor an epic ass whooping. Islam would defeat Conor fairly easy.

Did you actually ever practice BJJ? What you said is quite ignorant.

BJJ takedowns are legit. Single and double leg takedowns are taught in every school. More advanced techniques like an imanari roll (a leg lock technique) can be used for takedowns, if you want to see application of effective BJJ in MMA watch Ryan Hall.

 

[Abdalla]

Did you actually ever practice BJJ? What you said is quite ignorant.

BJJ takedowns are legit. Single and double leg takedowns are taught in every school. More advanced techniques like an imanari roll (a leg lock technique) can be used for takedowns, if you want to see application of effective BJJ in MMA watch Ryan Hall.

Lol@imanari. That's a fancy trick that fails 99% of the time. Tony Ferguson tried Imanari on Justin and failed miserably. If it's taught in every school, how come Tony didn't attempt a single take down when he was being raped by Justin? BJJ is all about fancy tricks while laying on your back. It got outperformed by wrestling/sambo in MMA

here's legendary bjj trainer John Danaher literally saying what I wrote. There are BJJ world champions that can't do a single takedown.

 

[TabK]

Lol@imanari. That's a fancy trick that fails 99% of the time. Tony Ferguson tried Imanari on Justin and failed miserably. If it's taught in every school, how come Tony didn't attempt a single take down when he was being raped by Justin? BJJ is all about fancy tricks while laying on your back. It got outperformed by wrestling/sambo in MMA

here's legendary bjj trainer John Danaher literally saying what I wrote. There are BJJ world champions that can't do a single takedown.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If memory serves right, Tony rolled late into the fight, when he lost a lot of steam. Watch Ryan Hall effectively utilise imanari leg locks against a former champion in BJ Penn:


Its not a "fancy" trick. As for why Tony didnt take down Justin, the fact that you are asking this question shows you have very little knowledge of this field. Justin is a D1 all american, he got 2nd in the NCAA D1 tournament.

But this is beside the point, what you said about bjj having "zero takedown skills" is 100% incorrect.

BJJ is all about fancy tricks while laying on your back.

Wow, another really stupid comment. Do you know the specialisms of the men you saw in Khabib's corner? You probably dont.

There is nothing fancy about BJJ, and working from the back is just one aspect of the sport. Educate yourself instead of making up random comments like the above.

 

[Abdalla]

You have no idea what you are talking about. If memory serves right, Tony rolled late into the fight, when he lost a lot of steam. Watch Ryan Hall effectively utilise imanari leg locks against a former champion in BJ Penn:


Its not a "fancy" trick. As for why Tony didnt take down Justin, the fact that you are asking this question shows you have very little knowledge of this field. Justin is a D1 all american, he got 2nd in the NCAA D1 tournament.

But this is beside the point, what you said about bjj having "zero takedown skills" is 100% incorrect.



Wow, another really stupid comment. Do you know the specialisms of the men you saw in Khabib's corner? You probably dont.

There is nothing fancy about BJJ, and working from the back is just one aspect of the sport. Educate yourself instead of making up random comments like the above.

Learn how to debate without getting personal and throwing comments like 'wow omg you're so stupid' which befits a 14 year old Becky.

BJJ as practiced today is solely working from the back. Brian Ortega, an elite BJJ black belt, was lit the fu.ck up by Max Holloway. Ortega didn't attempt any take downs. BJJ essentially can't bring the fight to the ground until their opponent takes them down. That can also be said by Diaz in his second fight with Conor, Conor intelligently kept the fight a stand up. Diaz choked him out in the first fight because Conor took him down.

Bjj godfather John agrees with my assessment as well. There are world champs walking around that with zero take down skills. The BJJ schools start their trainings on the knees. It's very reactive.

What has Khabibs corner gotta do with anything we discussed? You're all over the place, eithet insulting or bringing irrelevant stuff

 

[JohnCena]

Not if they have a smart game plan. Conor is only dangerous in the first round. The problem is that every grappler/wrestler fall in love with the striking. Dustin is a black belt but never uses his bjj. Waste of talent. Besides bjj has zero take down skills, they're just good in defending a take down or on their back. Wrestlers like Chad mendes gave Conor an epic ass whooping. Islam would defeat Conor fairly easy.



The rules when he fought Tibau 8 years ago were different. Fighters were first and foremost based on aggression and octagon control. Khabib had him against the fence for 14 minutes, he was the aggressor too. Tibau was extremely strong because he was using steroids. The judges gave him an unanimous decision, it wasn't even split decision.

who do you think wins between poirer and conor in your opinion?

 

[Abdalla]

who do you think wins between poirer and conor in your opinion?

Conor just based on the fact that he KO'ed him when they fought at 145. But Dustin improved a lot, and even took down Dan Hooker. It's an interesting match up. However Conor holding the belt will be a disaster for the division because he won't defend his title.

 

[TabK]

Learn how to debate without getting personal and throwing comments like 'wow omg you're so stupid' which befits a 14 year old Becky.

BJJ as practiced today is solely working from the back. Brian Ortega, an elite BJJ black belt, was lit the fu.ck up by Max Holloway. Ortega didn't attempt any take downs. BJJ essentially can't bring the fight to the ground until their opponent takes them down. That can also be said by Diaz in his second fight with Conor, Conor intelligently kept the fight a stand up. Diaz choked him out in the first fight because Conor took him down.

Bjj godfather John agrees with my assessment as well. There are world champs walking around that with zero take down skills. The BJJ schools start their trainings on the knees. It's very reactive.

What has Khabibs corner gotta do with anything we discussed? You're all over the place, eithet insulting or bringing irrelevant stuff

This is not a debate.

You have made some very inaccurate remarks, I tried to correct you but you doubled down and made even more ignorant remarks.

You seem to only be referencing singular events. You mentioned Tony and his inability to take Gaethje down, but you were ignorant of Gaethje's credentials. Now you mention Ortega without knowing much about his style of submissions. Ortega mostly chokes his opponents and would not typically take them down.

The MMA fighter you really want to watch if you want to see BJJ takedowns is Demian Maia, this is what elite BJJ takedowns look like. Maia was both World Cup BJJ champion and ADCC champion:

 

[JohnCena]

Conor just based on the fact that he KO'ed him when they fought at 145. But Dustin improved a lot, and even took down Dan Hooker. It's an interesting match up. However Conor holding the belt will be a disaster for the division because he won't defend his title.

agreed. I honestly think Conor might try to go for the WW title if he somehow wins the LW title. I don't see Kamaru ever losing though tbh.

I wanna see how Khamzhat does. He seems like an interesting new addition to the WW/MW picture.

 

[Abdalla]

This is not a debate.

You have made some very inaccurate remarks, I tried to correct you but you doubled down and made even more ignorant remarks.

You seem to only be referencing singular events. You mentioned Tony and his inability to take Gaethje down, but you were ignorant of Gaethje's credentials. Now you mention Ortega without knowing much about his style of submissions. Ortega mostly chokes his opponents and would not typically take them down.

The MMA fighter you really want to watch if you want to see BJJ takedowns is Demian Maia, this is what elite BJJ takedowns look like. Maia was both World Cup BJJ champion and ADCC champion:

I think you're debating for the sake of it. I gave three bjj black belts that were demolished in their stand up, were unable to take down their opponents, gave you literally a bjj legend saying bjj sucks at taking down people. What do you do? You come with Demian Maia, who has wrestling background and Judo

 

[TabK]

I think you're debating for the sake of it. I gave three bjj black belts that were demolished in their stand up, were unable to take down their opponents, gave you literally a bjj legend saying bjj sucks at taking down people. What do you do? You come with Demian Maia, who has wrestling background and Judo

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You keep doubling down despite knowing you have made some sweeping ignorant comments.

Your claim was that BJJ has "zero take down skills".

Your examples are Ferguson and Ortega, who are mostly stand up fighters. The fact that you even brought those two up shows you are new to this. Fergeson for instance was facing stiff anti-wrestling D1 all american, why would he waste energy trying to take him down when he did not take lesser opponents down? Stupid logic.

Your claim was easily refuted by Damian Maia's excellent use of BJJ takedowns in MMA.

End of. There is no further discussion.

Bringing up the fact that a mixed martial artist is skilled in more than one martial art discipline is arguing for the sake of arguing at this stage. Of course Maia is skilled in in other martial arts, including boxing.. but his specialist skillset is BJJ.

If you want to discuss BJJ's use in MMA you look at BJJ specialists like Ryan Hall, Damian Maia Charles Olivera, Jacare Souza ..etc. But a newbie would think Tony Fergeson and Brian Ortega are the epitome of BJJ in the UFC, just because they are black belts (almost everyone at the top level in the UFC is brown or black belt).