Understanding Somali Genetics

[Ashraf]

I’ve been attempting to increase my knowledge on Somali genetics, and wanted to test it by posting my OWN understanding of it so far. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Somali haplogroups- primarily e1b1b dominated by the ev32 subclade and a minority of T-L208 which is Semitic in nature and primarily found amongst a the Dir with some Isaaq also possessing it. E comes from our natufian ancestors- also a minority of J-
Somalias maternal haplogroup is mainly a series of L haplogroups which are purely African and from South Sudan I believe found amongst the nilotes.
In conclusion Somalis are a mix of two Eurasian groups Natufian/levant - E haplogroup , North African however I’m unsure of the haplogroup they brought. And 3 sub Saharan African groups- Nilotes, ancestral East Africans and a lil omotic.
Please understand I have a surface level understanding of this and only posted so people can correct me and expand my understanding. I do not wish to spread misinformation.

 

[Ashraf]

Furthermore we are around 38.4% Eurasian with it decreasing by 0.5% as you go south. The Arab ancestry is believed to be fabricated and was used to expand one’s social status. We are Cushitic have an Afro asiatic language, extremely homogenous as the mix happened almost 4 thousand years ago. We don’t assimilate, have the longest coastline in Africa on arguable on of the top 3 most important parts ( Morocco ,Egypt) one of the largest ethnic groups inhabiting over 1.1 million kilometres of prime real estate near the worlds most important trade route.

 

[motivation]

Furthermore we are around 38.4% Eurasian with it decreasing by 0.5% as you go south. The Arab ancestry is believed to be fabricated and was used to expand one’s social status. We are Cushitic have an Afro asiatic language, extremely homogenous as the mix happened almost 4 thousand years ago. We don’t assimilate, have the longest coastline in Africa on arguable on of the top 3 most important parts ( Morocco ,Egypt) one of the largest ethnic groups inhabiting over 1.1 million kilometres of prime real estate near the worlds most important trade route.

I believe the study that said 38% Eurasian incorrectly used eth_mota as the East African proxy which deflated the Eurasian percentage since ETH_mota has some eurasian affinity.

This is the Eurasian average for Somalis when the right proxies for our East African and Eurasian samples are used and ANA admixed samples like iberomaurusian and natufian aren’t included

here’s how it looks when u include natufian and iberomaurusian

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[Ashraf]

I believe the study that said 38% Eurasian incorrectly used eth_mota as the East African proxy which deflated the Eurasian percentage since ETH_mota has some eurasian affinity.

This is the Eurasian average for Somalis when the right proxies for our East African and Eurasian samples are used and ANA admixed samples like iberomaurusian and natufian aren’t included

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here’s how it looks when u include natufian and iberomaurusian
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So we’re 42%? Also can you explain why we have Moroccan/ North African dna?

 

[iley]

So we’re 42%? Also can you explain why we have Moroccan/ North African dna?

It can be lower or higher than 42; I have around 40% from the south. Not exactly about this, but I'm guessing Moroccan/north African DNA (Iberomaurusian) blood was carried by the Natufians in very minimal amounts when they mixed with the Northeast Africans. If i'm wrong or someone knows real answer feel free to correct. Also I don't rlly think Somalis have omotic blood, if so it is very minimal

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

I believe the study that said 38% Eurasian incorrectly used eth_mota as the East African proxy which deflated the Eurasian percentage since ETH_mota has some eurasian affinity.

This is the Eurasian average for Somalis when the right proxies for our East African and Eurasian samples are used and ANA admixed samples like iberomaurusian and natufian aren’t included

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here’s how it looks when u include natufian and iberomaurusian
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[Rayaale]

I’ve been attempting to increase my knowledge on Somali genetics, and wanted to test it by posting my OWN understanding of it so far. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Somali haplogroups- primarily e1b1b dominated by the ev32 subclade and a minority of T-L208 which is Semitic in nature and primarily found amongst a the Dir with some Isaaq also possessing it. E comes from our natufian ancestors- also a minority of J-
Somalias maternal haplogroup is mainly a series of L haplogroups which are purely African and from South Sudan I believe found amongst the nilotes.
In conclusion Somalis are a mix of two Eurasian groups Natufian/levant - E haplogroup , North African however I’m unsure of the haplogroup they brought. And 3 sub Saharan African groups- Nilotes, ancestral East Africans and a lil omotic.
Please understand I have a surface level understanding of this and only posted so people can correct me and expand my understanding. I do not wish to spread misinformation.

There’s no pure ethnicity if we go back thousands of years, everyone is mixed to an extent

 

[Garaad Awal]

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[kamek]

Somalis do not have omotic dna, we are mainly Cushitic with minor semitic ancestry if I’m not mistaken.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

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[Garaad Awal]

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Somalis aren't diverse apparently according to @Shimbiris. They are all identical regardless of region or clan....

 

[Garaad Awal]

The lack of diversity @Shimbiris

@giire12 Ina adeer, you must be one dhega cas looking Lander, almost as Eurasian as my mixed son

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

The lack of diversity @Shimbiris

@giire12 Ina adeer, you must be one dhega cas looking Lander, almost as Eurasian as my mixed son
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[bobby_hill-Punt]

There’s no pure ethnicity if we go back thousands of years, everyone is mixed to an extent

But a country can control the admixture amount if it need a certain phenotype. This is done by your country borders you can ban certain groups of people and let other in large amounts. This how America does it also.

 

[Fez]

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[giire12]

The lack of diversity @Shimbiris

@giire12 Ina adeer, you must be one dhega cas looking Lander, almost as Eurasian as my mixed son
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Ina adeer, I was even more surprised, your child Eurasian is around 3 % higher than mine. I am assuming his maternal side has alot of tawariq north african berber. Northern high mountains Amazigh have significant Eurasian compared to Sourthern Amazigh and tawariq (Tuareg) but the southerns have higher Arabian. So maybe it averaged out to 55% for your child. I was assuming his 65 to 70% Eurasian. I did simple mathematics, lets say he has 19% Eurasian from your side (38% × 50%), that leaves 37% from his maternal side, so his maternal side is 74% Eurasian (37×2).

As for me, wallahi I look like any other Somali, it's only at work Eritreans at first speak with me tigrenya, i have to tell them i'm somali. Genetics is funny, some of my siblings look like olive skin yemenis the rest are typical horn africans like me. Your son probably looks like a light skin yemani or a North Sudanese tribes that mixed with Egyptians, places like Aswan.

As for you and @Shimbiris both of you are well above me in this topic of knowledge. I knew one day you will clash because of your differences in opinions. All I understand is your more focused on regional differences while Shimbris is focused on the level of a national/ethnicity differences. Both of you are presenting good arguments which can benefit future players, one will pick your side the other shimbirs side, it's how the science research also work. However small, like you said, i also believe there is slight differences, the differences might not be significant enough so I respect shimbris view as well. I am doing my little research here and there but not as open as @Step a side .When I pick up enough knowledge than I will present my argument of case with evidence presented.

 

[Bari]

So the average somali is 39% Eurasian and 61% SSA, according to all these results.

 

[NidarNidar]

I believe the study that said 38% Eurasian incorrectly used eth_mota as the East African proxy which deflated the Eurasian percentage since ETH_mota has some eurasian affinity.

This is the Eurasian average for Somalis when the right proxies for our East African and Eurasian samples are used and ANA admixed samples like iberomaurusian and natufian aren’t included

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here’s how it looks when u include natufian and iberomaurusian
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[Rayaale]

So the average somali is 39% Eurasian and 61% SSA, according to all these results.

The average is higher than 39 it’s 42-45%

 

[Fez]

The average is higher than 39 it’s 42-45%

It depends if we're looking at real Eurasian or just MENA. 45-41% is the Average for MENA and 41-38% for actual Eurasian.