USC failed miserably, but what about SNM?

[Tjioux]

When Siad Barre lost power in 1991, USC had the chance to unite all somalis and rule them just like the tigray did with Ethiopia, but instead they went on an rampage ethnic cleansing.
I will never understand their logic behind that action.

Now what i want to know is, if Isaaq SNM had the same chance as USC, would they do the same thing or would they be smarter?

 

[Hemaal]

Definitely smarter, SNM just wanted to the topple the govt and those clans they attacked was a result of the govt's actions, which was to arm them and attack the civilians. One thing reer Koonfur lack is comprise, they can never do what we did in the 60's

 

[jugjugwacwac]

All of those rebels groups were absolutely retarded and are responsible for the despicable situation we currently find ourselves in. They did not all come together and unite under one nationalist banner, nor did they have a plan for governance and a return to normalcy after achieving their goal of deposing Siyaad, nor did they have the power to swiftly depose the regime with minimal bloodshed. They were just power hungry crazed individuals who duped their clans to fight for them so they could satisfy their lust for power.

I'm not saying Siyaad Barre was perfect or that he did not deserve to be toppled. No one has a divine right to rule over anyone, so any ruler is fair game if he can't defend his kursi. But I can't and will never support rebel groups who are not united, do not have a plan after they get rid of the ruler and cannot depose the ruler in a swift coup with no or minimal bloodshed. The rebels won the war, but look at us now, we've become the laughing stock of the entire world. Anyone who thinks we're better off now than under Siyaad Barre than ur absolutely delusional, and this includes Somalilanders.

 

[Dhay Geel]

SNM had a plan USC had no plan that's that difference. Also SNM are the ones who funded and help kick start USC

 

[jugjugwacwac]

SNM had a plan USC had no plan that's that difference. Also SNM are the ones who funded and help kick start USC

They sure did, which was for a few Isaaq elites to consolidate power in the north so they wouldn't have to vie or compete for power with the multitude of clans from Italian Somalia. They then duped their ISaaq clansmen to support them in their quest for power under the guise of a liberation movement. The Isaaq initially didn't support the SNM, but when Siyaad Barre used some heavy handed tactics to eradicate the movement more and more ISaaqs felt persecuted and began joining the movement. Ultimately the SNM elite reached their goal of achieving power and glory, while the Isaaq civilians are more destitute and desperate than ever. But since Somalis r low IQ we still view the SNM as heroes.

 

[Tjioux]

All of those rebels groups were absolutely retarded and are responsible for the despicable situation we currently find ourselves in. They did not all come together and unite under one nationalist banner, nor did they have a plan for governance and a return to normalcy after achieving their goal of deposing Siyaad, nor did they have the power to swiftly depose the regime with minimal bloodshed. They were just power hungry crazed individuals who duped their clans to fight for them so they could satisfy their lust for power.

I'm not saying Siyaad Barre was perfect or that he did not deserve to be toppled. No one has a divine right to rule over anyone, so any ruler is fair game if he can't defend his kursi. But I can't and will never support rebel groups who are not united, do not have a plan after they get rid of the ruler and cannot depose the ruler in a swift coup with no or minimal bloodshed. The rebels won the war, but look at us now, we've become the laughing stock of the entire world. If u think we're better off now than under Siyaad Barre than ur absolutely delusional.

I agree, we should have united under one movement to topple the regime.
I heard SSDF let SNM use the same radio station and that they were close in the beginning, why the hell didn't they join forces?

 

[horumar]

The goal of these groups, SNM specifically, was to remove MSB. For the SNM, it only turned to leaving Somalia when barre left and the south was in disunity. If the SNM and their leaders were in the position of the USC, i'm just saying we wouldn't be in the west right now, i would probably have had a beach house in kismaayo and because it's Ramadan i would have been in harar. Somalia would've never collapsed if it wasn't for the lack of planning by the non-SNM rebel groups.

 

[Professor]

All of those rebels groups were absolutely retarded and are responsible for the despicable situation we currently find ourselves in. They did not all come together and unite under one nationalist banner, nor did they have a plan for governance and a return to normalcy after achieving their goal of deposing Siyaad, nor did they have the power to swiftly depose the regime with minimal bloodshed. They were just power hungry crazed individuals who duped their clans to fight for them so they could satisfy their lust for power.

I'm not saying Siyaad Barre was perfect or that he did not deserve to be toppled. No one has a divine right to rule over anyone, so any ruler is fair game if he can't defend his kursi. But I can't and will never support rebel groups who are not united, do not have a plan after they get rid of the ruler and cannot depose the ruler in a swift coup with no or minimal bloodshed. The rebels won the war, but look at us now, we've become the laughing stock of the entire world. Anyone who thinks we're better off now than under Siyaad Barre than ur absolutely delusional, and this includes SOMALILANDERS.

did you just suggest that isaaq people would be better off under a leader who was actively pushing the genocide of that said clan. If yr trolling you are sick, if you are not then wallah you deserve to go to hell. Isaaqs would choice a peaceful state then one were they were being murdered in their own land. You are a fucking retarded,literally kill yourself you would be doing us a favour.
somali's infamous iq at its finest.

 

[xisaabiye]

Snm gave birth to USC and USP. The original plan was to topple barre and form a new government for the entire Republic. This plan became impossible when USC members Ali Mahdi & Caydiid vied for presidency which led to the civil war. Snm didn't even have it in their mandate to regain SL independence, but the south spiraled into cyclical violence so it was the best option

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Aideed died plane and simple had he lived for a couple more years he would have consolidated all of Somalia.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I agree, we should have united under one movement to topple the regime.
I heard SSDF let SNM use the same radio station and that they were close in the beginning, why the hell didn't they join forces?

They didn't unite because they were backward, shortsighted low IQ Somali men who were all hellbent on using their own clans to achieve power.

 

[horumar]

Aideed died plane and simple has he lived for a couple more years he would have consolidated all of Somalia.

AUN Aideed, Madaxwaynaha Jamhuuriyadda Soomaliya!

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

did you just suggest that isaaq people would be better off under a leader who was actively pushing the genocide of that said clan. If yr trolling you are sick, if you are not then wallah you deserve to go to hell. Isaaqs would choice a peaceful state then one were they were being murdered in their own land. You are a fucking retarded,literally kill yourself you would be doing us a favour.
somali's infamous iq at its finest.

He's saying that they shouldn't have rebelled right after our Somali Galbeed nationalist war. Nobody was targeting Isaaq's in 1980, so why did SNM rebel and use their clans to get support?

 

[jugjugwacwac]

did you just suggest that isaaq people would be better off under a leader who was actively pushing the genocide of that said clan. If yr trolling you are sick, if you are not then wallah you deserve to go to hell. Isaaqs would choice a peaceful state then one were they were being murdered in their own land. You are a fucking retarded,literally kill yourself you would be doing us a favour.
somali's infamous iq at its finest.

You don't know your history. SNM was formed in 1981 and the xasuuq happened in 1988 when the SNM were forced to leave their bases in Ethiopia and stormed Hargaysa and Burco.

 

[Professor]

He's saying that they shouldn't have rebelled right after Somali Galbeed nationalist war.

Why wouldn't they. They were literally second class citizensin somalia. They had no political voice and the man was an psychopath. Neitherless they way he belittled them would have result in there further oppression. You could see that the man had an incredible hatred for them. I would to if I was the snm.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Why wouldn't they. They were literally second class citizensin somalia. They had no political voice and the man was an psychopath. Neitherless they way he belittled them would have result in there further oppression. You could see that the man had an incredible hatred for them. I would to if I was the snm.

They became "second class citizens" after the SNM rebelled against the government. Before that, all Isaaq's supported Siad Barre and held top positions in his government.

 

[Tjioux]

They didn't unite because they were backward, shortsighted low IQ Somali men who were all hellbent on using their own clans to achieve power.

"The SSDF tried to ally with the SNM in 1983, but they failed to agree to a common strategy."

Imagine if they united, the 88 massacre wouldn't have happened and Morgon would have been killed. Majority of the SSDF generals hated him cuz he ruined the 1978 coup attempt by Majeerteen.


"Siad Barre apparently resented the [Majeerteen] clan's prominence, and as early as 1970 was singling out the Majeerteen lineages for alleged opposition to his reform efforts. As a clan, the Majeerteen probably did not oppose Siad Barre at the outset. However, his insensitive rhetoric and discriminatory appointment and promotion policies had the effect, by the mid-1970s, of alienating the heads of the leading Majeerteen lineages, the very persons whose attitudes were decisive in determining the clan's political orientation.

Majeerteen officers were the primary organ of years of an unsuccessful coup in April 1978, following the army's humiliating defeat in the Ogaden War. An estimated 500 rebel soldiers were killed in fighting with forces loyal to Siad Barre, and subsequently seventeen officers, all but one of them Majeerteen, were executed

 

[xisaabiye]

You don't know your history. SNM was formed in 1981 and the xasuuq happened in 1988 when the SNM were forced to leave their bases in Ethiopia and stormed Hargaysa and Burco.

The snm was formed due to the government forming junta groups for ogadeen like dabar goynta isaaqa. They didn't just wake up one morning and decide to rebel. Siyad barre had ample time to ease these grievances and Isaaq elders wrote letters directly to Barre in the late 70s, did he care of course not.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Why wouldn't they. They were literally second class citizensin somalia. They had no political voice and the man was an psychopath. Neitherless they way he belittled them would have result in there further oppression. You could see that the man had an incredible hatred for them. I would to if I was the snm.

Nothing but lies and revisionist history. The Isaaq elite and Siyaad were on very good terms with one another before we created the SNM. Who do u think Siyaad sent to put down the SSDF rebellion in Mudug and Bari? He sent ISaaq generals. U need to learn history and look at it objectively.

 

[blueheff]

did you just suggest that isaaq people would be better off under a leader who was actively pushing the genocide of that said clan. If yr trolling you are sick, if you are not then wallah you deserve to go to hell. Isaaqs would choice a peaceful state then one were they were being murdered in their own land. You are a fucking retarded,literally kill yourself you would be doing us a favour.
somali's infamous iq at its finest.

They were only murdered after the snm funded by ethopia was formed. What barre did was wrong and he will face allah in the akhira. However he didn't target isaaqs until after the snm was formed, hence why most isaaqs didn't support snm till barre attacked innocent civillians.