Somalia has been a dire shit-hole for many decades now. I don't think it was great even before the civil war. It was basically a 1-town banana republic that was not much different from the ancient city-states from thousands of years ago. This week, we witnessed a municipal court in the capital issue an arrest warrant for a federal president, and then that federal president turned around and issued an arrest warrant for the president from Kismayo municipal court. We also saw a member of parliament punch a police officer in the face. That police officer was then used as a photo-op for political purposes, pictured reclining in a hospital bed with an IV drip for a damn broken nose. Now we have the PM of the country in a neighboring country complaining about a federal president and begging them to stop him. These are but a few ridiculous occurrences among many more, all very childish. I see some of you arguing on here about what the problem in Somalia or with Somalis is. I came to the conclusion long ago that the cadaan man was right but didn't want to accept it for obvious reasons. I was reminded again this week, of a controversial and racist poem by Rudyard Kipling, the white man's burden. One line in particular described Somalis current leaders very sagaciously . 'Half devil and half child'. We knew about the devil part as it is very well documented with all the warlords, terrorists, looting of graves for personal financial gain and wanton destruction of squatters metal huts. This week the childish part has very clearly and obviously reared its ugly head, although it was always there. So I ask the likes of @Hilmaam, @Pastoralist, and @DR OSMAN was old whitey right? Cadaanka gar maleeyahay? I definitely think so, and it becomes more undoubtable by the day. Forget all this stuff about qabilism, economic conditions, resources etc. At the end of the day, you are dealing with black african cawaan as Kipling described over 100 years ago. The cadaans carved up Somali lands, built colonial Somalia and then handed it over to Somalis who destroyed it totally within a few decades. Now, they are unable to re-build what the cadaan originally built, even with the cadaan international communities help. Columbus when he came to the new world is said to have remarked something similar about the natives being child-like in his view. I think this is the real root of the problem, uncivilized child-like cawaan devils and clowns, who need to be civilized by the white man, but clearly were not. Look at Kenya as an example where many millions of Somalis live peacefully and have businesses that they cannot in Somalia. It is a much better country, and it doesn't go without notice those Kenyans all speak great english, and are much more civilized than Somalis. The white man's burden was carried out completely there but not in neighboring, savage, Somalia.
Was The White Man Right?
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Put tribal leaders in charge. That’s the only people Somalis listen to. Make every recognised Somali tribal leader a member of parliament and let them elect a leader and vote for what should happen to the country
Grimmer
Reer guri
The biggest issue is that Somalis are never held accountable. You can bomb a village, and your qabil will go to great lengths to protect you. If we were able to hold our politicians accountable for their wrongdoings and implement some sort of checks and balances, Somalia would be a very different place today.
hayran
Ride The Lightning
somalis will probably peak outside of somalia, most likely kenya or surrounding areas. our land is just cursed and we were supposed to f*ck out of it centuries ago. no point holding loyalty to a landmass tied to a failed polity, turks for example aren't native to anatolia at all and albanians controlled almost the entire north east african region through egypt.
Isn’t that what Kipling was describing, half devil half child?
I disagree
The root cause of all of our collective misery is down to one simple fact: we have a truly terrible culture.
Not totally our fault of course, geography playing a major role. A culture bred in a hostile environment which breeds a zero sum mentality, that divides our society into segmented clan families all violently competing for the scant resources our meagre land provides.
A totally amoral culture where the strong trample the weak, where compromise cannot exist, where either I eat or you eat, reflected in the 21st century by the dozens of competing clan states and factions whose myopia has led to occupation of vast swathes of the south while factions in the north, apparently feeling left out of the foreign domination, are currently pleading with Ethiopia to similarly occupy their territory
Were we an agricultural society instead of mostly warring pastoralist groups, we'd have developed a sense of class distinctions, hierarchy, kala dambeeyn etc. Instead, we have a system where even the lowliest geeljire deems himself superior to a learned intellectual on a clan basis.
Nothing short of a far reaching and unfortunately bloody cultural revolution will change this sorry state of affairs.
The root cause of all of our collective misery is down to one simple fact: we have a truly terrible culture.
Not totally our fault of course, geography playing a major role. A culture bred in a hostile environment which breeds a zero sum mentality, that divides our society into segmented clan families all violently competing for the scant resources our meagre land provides.
A totally amoral culture where the strong trample the weak, where compromise cannot exist, where either I eat or you eat, reflected in the 21st century by the dozens of competing clan states and factions whose myopia has led to occupation of vast swathes of the south while factions in the north, apparently feeling left out of the foreign domination, are currently pleading with Ethiopia to similarly occupy their territory
Were we an agricultural society instead of mostly warring pastoralist groups, we'd have developed a sense of class distinctions, hierarchy, kala dambeeyn etc. Instead, we have a system where even the lowliest geeljire deems himself superior to a learned intellectual on a clan basis.
Nothing short of a far reaching and unfortunately bloody cultural revolution will change this sorry state of affairs.
Grimmer
Reer guri
I’m not gonna agree with a racist imperialist colonizer. He has nothing but bad things to see about us. But half child part can kind correlate to how immature and foolish this little battle that is going on with HSM and Madoobe.
while factions in the north, apparently feeling left out of the foreign domination, are currently pleading with Ethiopia to similarly occupy their territory
Are boons really that sensitive? When has Puntland or Somaliland ever asked for habesha occupation? Kulaha pleading, speak for your cousins being guarded by filmon in Gedo lol
And yes OP, I agree, the 'golden' generation of Somali Statehood is something we will never against witness, sadly, something I have always been alluding to:
You know what, this should absolutely be the case right now.
Everything back home is tied to qabiil, why pretend this is not the case.
I would actually wager the clan leaders would be smarter then the average xildhibaan. They tend to be from established families unlike some of these former taxi driver politicians.
Would potentially lead to lasting change.
I disagree
The root cause of all of our collective misery is down to one simple fact: we have a truly terrible culture.
Not totally our fault of course, geography playing a major role. A culture bred in a hostile environment which breeds a zero sum mentality, that divides our society into segmented clan families all violently competing for the scant resources our meagre land provides.
A totally amoral culture where the strong trample the weak, where compromise cannot exist, where either I eat or you eat, reflected in the 21st century by the dozens of competing clan states and factions whose myopia has led to occupation of vast swathes of the south while factions in the north, apparently feeling left out of the foreign domination, are currently pleading with Ethiopia to similarly occupy their territory
Were we an agricultural society instead of mostly warring pastoralist groups, we'd have developed a sense of class distinctions, hierarchy, kala dambeeyn etc. Instead, we have a system where even the lowliest geeljire deems himself superior to a learned intellectual on a clan basis.
Nothing short of a far reaching and unfortunately bloody cultural revolution will change this sorry state of affairs.
Bur even camel herders would negiotate and compromise if it meant everyone is suffering and why they share rain resources due to compromise knowing it may not rain in your territory and you need backup options.
Plus they don't like this war of attrition for zero sum but prefer a sneakier approach with as little casualties and resources lost for the goal. They won't sit in a 30 year stalemate if it was truly nomads. I think it's a mix of colonial fascism still inside urban areas with elements of nomadism plus ciyaal xaafaad arsenal and manchester competition included.
Nomadism culture doesn't work in towns and ciyaal xaafaad culture don't work either and colonial fascism type of rulers is obsolete even in Europe after WW2.
Nomads would never remain in a 30 year mutual harm pact with no winner or loser, that's something unique to urbanites or urban cultures. My nomad family are still living in peace and carrying out their occupation. Urban areas are not able to carry out their urban functions no blame on nomads who are carrying out their functions.
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my prediction for year 2050 Somalia will remain status quo
Albeit better
somalis are thriving outside of Somalia and are visible as a community in every country
there might be a Terrorist attack in a Christian East African country and Somalis will face massive brunt and backlash like never seen b4
Puntland,Benadir,Somaliland and SSC will build crazy amounts of apartment blocks and gated communities for native diaspora
Jubaland and southwest will still look like a village and lag behind due to years of bad leadership
clan skirmishes will still be around,Al shabab will be weakened but still around setting off bombs in benadir every 3 or 5 months
Population will triple,birth rate still high due to religious beliefs and new farmer population
Albeit better
somalis are thriving outside of Somalia and are visible as a community in every country
there might be a Terrorist attack in a Christian East African country and Somalis will face massive brunt and backlash like never seen b4
Puntland,Benadir,Somaliland and SSC will build crazy amounts of apartment blocks and gated communities for native diaspora
Jubaland and southwest will still look like a village and lag behind due to years of bad leadership
clan skirmishes will still be around,Al shabab will be weakened but still around setting off bombs in benadir every 3 or 5 months
Population will triple,birth rate still high due to religious beliefs and new farmer population
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Every bomb they set off since 2006 till now, is a blow to your Federalism, casualties maybe hawiye but their only losing ppl not the politics, that's you losing the politics as the world says Federalism can't work and appeal to hawiye centralism, isaaq secession and if they argue or get into a zero sum deadlock, ismail Omar geele has irir federation waiting for them as a prepared compromise.
The daily and yearly events report to those grander goals. Shabab only attack federalist like Villa Somalia, PL, JL. If hamar was a centralist and isaaq a secessionist with his region united, they would disappear overnite as their now ready for irir federation compromise.
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Exhibit A of 68 IQ in action.
Are you familiar with the terms of the MoU and what a naval base entails? In the event of the terms being fulfilled, are you aware that a permanent military installation will necessitate boots on the ground? Are you capable of comprehending the long term repercussions of allowing your formerly landlocked 100m+ strong neighbor to operate on your coast at the invitation of shortsighted clannists such as yourself ? Are you aware of the PR being manufactured by the UAE/Israeli axis to ensure this MoU is ratified?
While you and your ilk are busy squabbling with other Somalis and name calling like a child, you will find yourself squarely in the middle of a geopolitical storm you are not prepared for, one that has the potential to permanently alter borders and which the Somali people will not be able to withstand.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...i-terror/00000193-6df4-da6e-afdb-7ff7e2fd0000
Look at this idiot
No need to hate him, his pursuing his clan interest which is secession and if he can't get it he told ismail Omar geele we will take our plan B, irir federation on the condition hawiye centralize the south. HSM he will do what he can in his 4 years to centralize the south and he will war with JL first and says let SL and Hamar wage a two way war front on PL.
Dacish is there in the mountains to do an insurgency task when notified to get out of dormant mode. Shabab is in Juba Dhexe also. We got Diyano missile ready for PL, and Hamza missile ready for JL. Shabab is like we will do our bit to discredit Federalism thru instability. While HG laugh dalka waan isku diray as he knows he made them all chase conflicting ideas and is like mashallah I can keep my loot.
HG no matter where they are or what they support will always report to their looters how does it keep the nation in conflict due to our loot. Centralism, secession, irirism, shabab, etc are good tools to them to keep it fighting Federalism not because he wants anyone to win, he wants in laysku dhamaado oo an waxba hirgelin even irirism, centralism, secession, shabab, he wants a blissful stateless anarchy.
Somalia
is fake banana republic we are only a country by name 
no government no law no police we are the WWE banana 
republic of Africa baboon
Somalia
We need solutions not just criticism which is what I see about Somali older generation to much criticism and misery and no solutions.
Let all Somalis from NFD, JL, PL, SL, Djibouti, Somali region come together to resolve HG and Abgaal battle which is hidden but the major reason why the capital is bombadishu.
Let's pay the mag of those high quality men HG and Abgaal lost in the 4 month war. Some may even say their not worth 100 geel as 50 years bay nimankani soo dhisayeen and he falls to 1 cent bullet which is worth 2 dollars if you buy 200 in bulk.
The world is ruled by law. Underneath this layer is respect. There is no sharci or ixtiraam in Somalia. This is purely a culture issue.
Ethics, morality, and proper social interactions should be taught at a young age to the upcoming generations in school.
Ethics, morality, and proper social interactions should be taught at a young age to the upcoming generations in school.
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