What are BLACK Features!?

[Chase]

I'd say these are undeniably black features, that even Somalis have:

• Afro-textured hair
• Dark Ivory skin, notice that it's different to dark Eurasian skin, such as Indians or Yemenis
• Large to medium lips
• Long legs and a short torso (great for body-building)
• Wide/broad nose

 

[Unbothered]

Black features =Somalis

 

[asveros]

somalis look much more black than white, anyone claiming we dont have black features should show us how caucasian they look. .

 

[tariq moses]

But Horn Africans are in fact 40-50% Eurasian and have been like that for at least 5, 000 years ; your features are your own because they're not exactly found in Eurasians or unadmixed Africans.

The Eurasian bottleneck likely occured inside Africa.

 

[tariq moses]

Here's a study on it:

DNA from 4,500-year-old Ethiopian reveals surprise about ancestry of Africans

DNA from a man who lived in Ethiopia about 4,500 years ago is prompting scientists to rethink the history of human migration in Africa.

www.latimes.com

This study is outdated, it has been reanalysed, the authors made a mistake, this Ethiopian remain doesn't have any appreciable amount of Eurasian ancestry.

Whats interesting doe, is that by practically any metric, whether it be admixture/cluster analysis, PCA, Fst etc... This genome shows a closer genetic relationship to Eurasians than West/Central Africans do, but shows lower Neanderthal ancestry(a telltale sign of Eurasian ancestry).

So affinity to Eurasians doesn't mean Eurasian ancestry.

 

[tariq moses]

somalis look much more black than white, anyone claiming we dont have black features should show us how caucasian they look. .

Somali facial features are closer to Med Europeans than it is to Niger-Congo people.

 

[Shimbiris]

Ethiopian woman are such Ass kissers... reading their responses in the comments has me cringing at the level of self hate for them to say that "Horn africans" are mixed race and going along with the patronizing African Americans calling our features "Eurocentric" when were the fucking blueprint. They need to speak for themselves... uff.

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Shoutout to the Somali gal for speaking the truth and calling out Chrissie dissing our lineage and history.

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The Somali girl is wrong, though. We are "mixed". It's ancient/pre-historic stuff and everyone, including whites, is mixed in that sort of way but we are. It's not a minority. It's across the board. This has been shown time and time again peer-reviewed papers and commercial results, as I'm sure you know.

 

[animelover]

The answer is simple, there’s

we don't and stop pretending we do, south asians have dark skin should they also be "Black"

No because because south Asians aren’t SSA, And in order to be considered black you need to have SSA ancestry.

besides race is just a social construct it’s always changing.

 

[animelover]

Somali facial features are closer to Med Europeans than it is to Niger-Congo people.

I’d disagree, Somalis have smaller noses, and bigger lips then Mediterranean Europeans, Mediterranean Europeans look closer to middle esteems than anything.

 

[Shimbiris]

Somali facial features are closer to Med Europeans than it is to Niger-Congo people.

There is actual data on Somali craniofacial traits which is far more clear cut than some person's opinion:

The questionable contribution of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age to European craniofacial form - PMC

Many human craniofacial dimensions are largely of neutral adaptive significance, and an analysis of their variation can serve as an indication of the extent to which any given population is genetically related to or differs from any other. When 24 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Somali craniofacial traits are pretty much "Caucasoid" on average and seem to have taken after the ancient MENA side of our ancestry. Though we do show strong "Negroid" leanings in terms of cranial nonmetric and dental traits, if I recall correctly. Not to mention the fuller lips (though not everted) and curly hair usually on a spectrum between full-on Afro-textured hair and straight/wavy hair. Forgive the use of the suugo scientific terminologies. You get the gist, though.

 

[asveros]

There is actual data on Somali craniofacial traits which is far more clear cut than some person's opinion:

The questionable contribution of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age to European craniofacial form - PMC

Many human craniofacial dimensions are largely of neutral adaptive significance, and an analysis of their variation can serve as an indication of the extent to which any given population is genetically related to or differs from any other. When 24 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Somali craniofacial traits are pretty much "Caucasoid" on average and seem to have taken after the ancient MENA side of our ancestry. Though we do show strong "Negroid" leanings in terms of cranial nonmetric and dental traits, if I recall correctly. Not to mention the fuller lips (though not everted) and curly hair usually on a spectrum between full-on Afro-textured hair and straight/wavy hair. Forgive the use of the suugo scientific terminologies. You get the gist, though.

saxib you should be the last person to bring up caucasian science considering youre darkskin. just looks embarrassing that someone madow is trying to argue we are more white than black when most somalis have brownskin, thick curly hair, big lips which are all typically features of an African.

just because our skull is 'similar' to Caucasians doesn't dispute the fact we have much more similarities with other Africans than Europeans.

 

[Shimbiris]

saxib you should be the last person to bring up caucasian science considering youre darkskin. just looks embarrassing that someone madow is trying to argue we are more white than black when most somalis have brownskin, thick curly hair, big lips which are all typically features of an African.

just because our skull is 'similar' to Caucasians doesn't dispute the fact we have much more similarities with other Africans than Europeans.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not arguing that we are "white". That is absurd. We are East Africans who are an ancient (the pyramids didn't exist when 70-90% of it happened) mix of something related to Nilotes like Dinkas (50-60%) and something related to MENAs (40-50%) (closest modern groups being Arabians and Coptic Egyptians). But yes, we are "Caucasoid" in craniofacial traits. Why does this trigger you or seem like something worth denying?

 

[tariq moses]

I’d disagree, Somalis have smaller noses, and bigger lips then Mediterranean Europeans, Mediterranean Europeans look closer to middle esteems than anything.

Maybe, i don't really know tbh, I said that just to say Horner features are closer to Euros than they are to Niger Congo people, in response to the guy saying our features are "much more black"

 

[animelover]

Maybe, i don't really know tbh, I said that just to say Horner features are closer to Euros than they are to Niger Congo people, in response to the guy saying our features are "much more black"

the only features horners have closer to Euros are their noses. Other than that, big lips, brown-dark skin, curvy figures etc which I see Somalis have are well known African traits.

 

[tariq moses]

saxib you should be the last person to bring up caucasian science considering youre darkskin. just looks embarrassing that someone madow is trying to argue we are more white than black when most somalis have brownskin, thick curly hair, big lips which are all typically features of an African.

just because our skull is 'similar' to Caucasians doesn't dispute the fact we have much more similarities with other Africans than Europeans.

Based on metric data (measurements from orbits, nasal bone etc...) we are a lot closer to Europeans than we are to some Africans, in some cases such as prognathism, which has historically been treated as a marker of SSA ancestry, we have a lower degree of it than many Europeans lol
This isn't mutually exclusive with being African, I see no reason why these features couldn't have come into existence inside Africa.

 

[animelover]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not arguing that we are "white". That is absurd. We are East Africans who are an ancient (the pyramids didn't exist when 70-90% of it happened) mix of something related to Nilotes like Dinkas (50-60%) and something related to MENAs (40-50%) (closest modern groups being Arabians and Coptic Egyptians). But yes, we are "Caucasoid" in craniofacial traits. Why does this trigger you or seem like something worth denying?

Maybe because it’s rooted in pseudoscience? And white supremacy at that. Why can’t they be “African” features (which they are because Somalis are undoubtedly African)

this is why we have people saying “horners have Eurocentric features” implying they get their features from white people. When it’s the other way around.

 

[Shimbiris]

Maybe, i don't really know tbh, I said that just to say Horner features are closer to Euros than they are to Niger Congo people, in response to the guy saying our features are "much more black"

Not 100% accurate to say, bro. The craniofacial features are more close to West-Eurasians and that can vary by ethnic group. Some are a little more in the middle, I think. Cranial nonmetric, dental, skin and hair traits are fairly in the middle to sometimes heavily biased toward SSAs, to be honest. Horners look like what we are; some ancient, stabilized intermixing of native East-African (Proto-Nilotes and Mota Hunter-Gatherer types) and MENA (Neolithic Egyptian & Iron-Age Yemeni) lineages.

 

[animelover]

Based on metric data (measurements from orbits, nasal bone etc...) we are a lot closer to Europeans than we are to some Africans, in some cases such as prognathism, which has historically been treated as a marker of SSA ancestry, we have a lower degree of it than many Europeans lol
This isn't mutually exclusive with being African, I see no reason why these features couldn't have come into existence inside Africa.

Do Europeans claim you?

 

[Shimbiris]

Maybe because it’s rooted in pseudoscience? And white supremacy at that. Why can’t they be “African” features (which they are because Somalis are undoubtedly African)

this is why we have people saying “horners have Eurocentric features” implying they get their features from white people. When it’s the other way around.

That's not a pseudoscientific paper. The author who wrote it outright contests the use of terms like "Caucasoid" and "Negroid". He and his cohorts are just no nonsense anthropologists who measured cranial traits and mapped them like on that display you see. I used "Caucasoid" for simplicity to say "facial features leaning toward West Eurasian". Apologies for the use of suugo science terms at least.

 

[asveros]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not arguing that we are "white". That is absurd. We are East Africans who are an ancient (the pyramids didn't exist when 70-90% of it happened) mix of something related to Nilotes like Dinkas (50-60%) and something related to MENAs (closest modern groups being Arabians and Coptic Egyptians). But yes, we are "Caucasoid" craniofacial traits. Why does this trigger you or seem like something worth denying?

It doesn't trigger me at all, its just funny that the most black looking people try the hardest to prove these sort of things.