What does the future have in store for Mogadishu?

[AlteKartel]

This would be more accurate but even that is now changing

Yes squatting on government land is an issue but loads of people had their properties taken during the war. The courts are getting better at awarding property rights to the previous owners but there’s still a lot to be done. A strong courts system is necessary so people from around the country begin to feel more comfortable about investing into Xamar again.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Property ownership voting in Xamar is hilariously ironic. Far too many people live in haram properties that do not belong to them. Let the original owners vote bidhnillah

Ridiculous nonsense this is.

AbdulAzis neighbourhood was filled with Majeerteen people, and now it's filled with their skeletons, and the thieves are living large in their homes.

They think they're immortal.

 

[AlteKartel]

Ridiculous nonsense this is.

AbdulAzis neighbourhood was filled with Majeerteen people, and now it's filled with their skeletons, and the thieves are living large in their homes.

They think they're immortal.

My father grew up next to an OG family. Once they fled, some people tried to occupy their property and my grandfather and uncles had to bring guns out to stop them. Lots of wrong happened to many different people during the civil war. Allah knows all and his justice is the most perfect. No one who did haram will benefit in this life or the next.

 

[Enlightenednomad]

They want to retain their unukalism, representation, and keep capital status. Pretty much eat the majority of what's given in the name of Somalia while complaining about their taxes used by FGS. But you will never see one of them demand the capital moved.

Even their own HAG politician is calling them out for their hypocrisy. "Muh tax dollars fund the bunker government" while consuming close to a billion dollars in aid meant for Somalia.

 

[Karim]

I’m

At minimum 20% of the country’s population lives in Banaadir. It’s way too large to be treated like Washington DC. When Somalia eventually holds elections do you seriously believe that 20% of the country should have no say? This system is tenable for now because of 4.5 but it’s not a long-term solution nor will the capital be moved. Banaadir will become a state and if necessary the central districts which contain the parliament, villa Somalia, and other government facilities can become the new federal zone as a compromise.

Addis Ababa is bigger, richer and more populated than Mogadishu and still it lacks statehood and federal representation. Mogadishu residents shall elect their council members and their mayors but it should not be a state if it continues to be the capital. If the residents crave parliament representatives so much then they should be ready to give up the capital status. We'll move it up north/east in a small town that has a wonderful weather and a huge potential for growth. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[AlteKartel]

Addis Ababa is bigger, richer and more populated than Mogadishu and still it lacks statehood and federal representation. Mogadishu residents shall elect their council members and their mayors but it should not be a state if it continues to be the capital. If the residents crave parliament representatives so much then they should be ready to give up the capital status. We'll move it up north/east in a small town that has a wonderful weather and a huge potential for growth. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

And Berlin, which is even richer than Addis, is both a capital city as well as a state. What type of a point is that?

 

[Karim]

And Berlin, which is even richer than Addis, is both a capital city as well as a state. What type of a point is that?

Berlin is different, historically the cities of Bremen and hamburg used to be called free imperial cities within the Roman empire of the middle and early modern age. Today in Germany Bremen, Hamburg and Berlin are city states because of their histories. Berlin residents also voted to be merged with Brandenburg State that surrounds the city back in 1996 but Brandenburg voters rejected the merger. Read more about the hanseatic league.

If you look closely to countries with federal governments they share similarities in their systems. Bicameral chambers of parliament, strong president or Prime Minister, federal states, and Federal Capital that mostly have minimal to non representatives in both chambers of the parliament. We took that system back in 2004 and Mogadishu needs to stay at it is else the capital status will be stripped and be given to another town/city that's ready to sacrifice political representation.

 

[AlteKartel]

I think if FMS status isn’t palatable for some Xamar should be granted broad autonomy (elected mayor and representatives) as well as some form of parliamentary representation.

Berlin is different, historically the cities of Bremen and hamburg used to be called free imperial cities within the Roman empire of the middle and early modern age. Today in Germany Bremen, Hamburg and Berlin are city states because of their histories. Berlin residents also voted to be merged with Brandenburg State that surrounds the city back in 1996 but Brandenburg voters rejected the merger. Read more about the hanseatic league.

If you look closely to countries with federal governments they share similarities in their systems. Bicameral chambers of parliament, strong president or Prime Minister, federal states, and Federal Capital that mostly have minimal to non representatives in both chambers of the parliament. We took that system back in 2004 and Mogadishu needs to stay at it is else the capital status will be stripped and be given to another town/city that's ready to sacrifice political representation.

You’re not wrong that in many federal systems the capital city has a unique designation that separates it from the state, but that’s now how it is all the time nor do we have to fully copy the federal system the United States has when Somalia exists in an entirely different political context. Vienna in Austria is the federal capital as well as a state. Buenos Aires is not a state but has heavily devolved powers and representation in both chambers. Kuala Lumpur is similar. Mogadishu is the largest city in Somalia by far with a large proportion of the country’s population. If you intend to treat it like Washington DC which isn’t even a paltry 0.5% of the USA’s population you’re not interested in seeing a Somalia with true representation. I don’t mind if Mogadishu doesn’t become a full FMS. It just needs to have some form of parliamentary representation and heavily devolved powers.

 

[IKHALIIL]

Even their own HAG politician is calling them out for their hypocrisy. "Muh tax dollars fund the bunker government" while consuming close to a billion dollars in aid meant for Somalia.

Pure waffle from a man who craves attention

 

[Jungle]

The interior districts should be the first to vote for their dc as they are compact and much easier for Banaadir to control compared to the larger districts which have rural areas

The guy in the tweet is suggesting everything outside of 'federal jurisdiction' should vote at once. Banaadir has to start from 1 district and go from there. This isn't difficult.

Statehood is a whole different story and needs to be thought about carefully. Not to mention it has to pass through parliament

Even their own HAG politician is calling them out for their hypocrisy. "Muh tax dollars fund the bunker government" while consuming close to a billion dollars in aid meant for Somalia.

He didn't answer the question did he? He went off on a tangent talking about fgs receives x amount, party politics and HSM. You are his target audience here eboow

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

The second a competent leaders comes in charge, they will easily realize that xamar isnt the place to be. Obviously there needs to be a new capital, adminstrative capital. Their way more common then you think. one example is abuja. Abuja is a very good example.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Xamar wouldve been a good place previously but 30 years of pure anarchy does some unquestionable things to a city, some have already been said. I am a strong believer in having a planned capital. Of course it wouldnt be ready but it would take 10-20 years to create. They need to hire chief architects and let the city grow naturally. There are plenty of planned capitals around the world they can take lessons on. But the main problem is getting the funds. Thats why first, the leader needs to work on development and industrialization, How come all the development happens privately? Only thing I hear about in legislation is some war going on within the government revolving aid or qabil. Its failed, Representative federalism like this will never work, I think federalism should exist just not like this.

 

[Garaad Awal]

They should move the capital to Hargaisa

We are not interested. Don’t involve us in your internal politics

 

[Internet Nomad]

We are not interested. Don’t involve us in your internal politics

Watch your tone boy dont you know the existence of mogadishu is built upon on the good graces of Somaliland.

After this upcoming iranian nuclear deal SL is going to become a superpower in the red sea.

 

[Pastoralist]

HSM should push something through regarding this before his term ends. It’s one of the things he promised.

As long as you know what this entails for you. Which is entitlement to only what you have. You were bragging about owning the capital in this thread, but can’t deliver on a countries sole responsibility. Which is sovereignty. Instead, opting for the current FMS deadlock to remain, by reducing yourself to one of them. At least your admitting reer xamar are too big for their britches.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Watch your tone boy dont you know the existence of mogadishu is built upon on the good graces of Somaliland.

After this upcoming iranian nuclear deal SL is going to become a superpower in the red sea.

Lots of jibberish, Hargeisa will never be a part of Somalia and definitely not its capital. Continue with your internal political discussion with your diaspora countrymen