Trust me, I wish there was definite proof that he was Somali, but I haven’t seen any. We know for certain that he was from the horn of Africa but his ethnicity hasn’t been proven. Let’s just leave this to Allah.
What ethnicity was Ahmed Gurey?
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Ethiopian national library has him as hawiye.
Thank you brother. You have good eyes and ears.
There is nothig to trust about he was Somali.Only Somali would galvanise somalis and other horners.
He knew Somalis like the back of the arms even their qabils Axmed gurreh was probably Bartire Absame.
What further proof do you want when his decandents and extended family members still roam the streets of hobat in kili 5 around harar. Not just his family members but the entire Karanle hawiye live around it till this day.
What further proof do you need when the highest Harari scholars are claiming he is hawiye? And hawiye claiming he is Karanle?
Do you want me to bring the imam back alive? Or go back to the 16th century?
My opinion and your opinion are irrelevant. If a white man wanted to find out about the imams ethnicity they would go to Addis national library and Harar the capital of Adal to find out.
He was Somali. Stop trying to erase our history!
Ahmed gurey and imam Ahmed ibn ibrahim alghazi are two completely different people. The futuh will tell you that. We are strictly talking about imam Ahmed ghazali.
The most famous Ethiopian historian who had access to their chronicles and wrote the most famous Ethiopian book on this part of history identified him as Hawiye (Karanle).
You guys don’t even have ties to Harar. Old town harar meat market is named after Gidir Karanle and it’s known as gidir magala today.
Brother/Sister you see us Somalis are xaasid people and very uneducated. We would rather have the imam as a Chinese if it makes us sleep better lol
It’s not one Ethiopian. It’s the head historian of harar capital of adal. The imams descendants live around harar and hobat. Your opinion is irrelevant. You see this historian has his work accepted by the Ethiopian national library. That’s what’s important and that’s what fellow Europeans, Africans and Asians will read. Not no nomad who talks nonsense. The futuh clearly mentions names and relatives of the Imam. They all sixawle and they all alive today.
Nonsense
In the futuh al habasha there was no mention of the imams ethnicty, However there are many referrences of his relatives who seem to be from the belaw ethnicty
The imam was born in the city hubat located between zeilac and harar, its ruler was the cheiftain of the belaw
Al futuh says: ''ibrahim bin ahmed ruler of the country of hubat of The tribe of belaw''
this ibrahim ruler of hubat seems to be the imams father
Al futuh says: ''the imam was at that time knight under garaad abun who loved him and show how courageous he was''
This is what some people told him. separating him and Garad Mahfuz of the Walashma, and there only connection is thru marriage. the Imam was married to his daughter bati al wambara
They gathered in Amajah where they stayed three days. It was one of the towns in Abyssinia that had Muslims living in it. But it belonged to the king. Its inhabitants then went to the imam Ahmad and said, "The king of Abyssinia has a mighty force with him; the number of his horses is incalculable. Only the Most High God knows the number of his coats of mail, helmets, foot-soldiers and shields made of hide. Your fathers, your ancestors, the emir `Ali, the emir Mahfuz your father-in-law, along with Garad Ibrahim and the sultans who long ago used to rule in the country of Sa`d ad-Din - not one of them has ever attacked the king of Abyssinia in his own country, in his own dwelling-place
this garaad abun seems his brother WHO have trained him. but the futah says he is his cousin by the name of Garad abun ibn adash of hubat as well. the futah never mentions him as a Brother but cousin..
here is where it gets weird.. Ethiopian soldier or A king sends a letter to Axmed gurey thru Arab fiqi WHO wrote the book futah, and this letter is also used in the futah.. but he never corrects him.
''It was I who long ago killed your brother Garad Abun, son of Garad Ibrahim, who was older than you in years. I routed his army, and did so more than once. Don't imagine that I am like any of the patricians whom you've encountered up till now. I am Wasan Sagad''
Wasan Sagad says his Brother while arab fiqi claim as his cousin.. some one is misinformed they can not both be correct and it will later on show that arab fiqi is correct. sinces he was with the imam.
The futah goes on to praise Garad abun ibn adash and says that he loved Axmed gurey
''After this Garad Abun came against him, and ruled for seven years. He clung to the truth, and exercised justice and authority in a fair way, banning what was forbidden, killing highwaymen, forbidding wine, games, and dances accompanied by drums. The country flourished. He cultivated the nobles and the Qur'anic teachers, the dervishes and the sheikhs. He ruled over his kingdom and worked for the good of his subjects.
Our lord the imam of the Muslims, Ahmad bin Ibrahim al-Ghazi was at that time a knight under Garad Abun, endowed with intelligence and foresight who consulted, in his youth and his prime, the inspiration of God the Most High in regard to the commission that God willed should be entrusted to him. Garad Abun loved him mightily, when he saw how courageous and astute he was''
ancient oromo beliefs says that Axmed gurey was a Balaw Karanle hawiya babile afaan oromo, and they have that written Down in some books, which are not translated. but they believe he was a balaw.
The tigriyan highlanders also have there claims on him and have some books. that claim he is a balaw, from tigriyans themselves because there is a tigriyan balaw's in the highlands of ethiopia.. and when the Imam captured habasha he had his camp there and his wife was with them in the war times. they were guarding her. he also had a meeting with some balaw tribes during his camp up there.
Now the Question is WHO are this balaw tribe and where do they live? we know that the Garad Ibrahim of hubat was a balaw.
Hubat is located between Harar and babile, and the city is called in af somali ''Hoobad'' and the people you will find today in this city are still the same. they belong to the same tribe as the balaw mentioned up. Balaw is a sub-sub-sub tribe under Karanle sixawle and this tribe still lives in hoobad, and the entire city is mainly karanle sixawle balaw.
He was non Somali according to Non hawiye Somalis but he was Hawiye from the Karanle branch according to Ethiopians Arabs and the entire hawiye family and other righteous educated non Hawiye Somalis
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